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[VIDEO] Entry #79
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elford
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 		also, while Jay's sneak skill is 100+, his lockpicking skill is very low, he should concentrate on that Laughing

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:29 pm
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Sha Noran
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UnQuantifiable wrote:
A Few things:

Marble Hornets wrote:
There's no operator there, your mind is convincing your eyes that he's there when he's not.


Yeah, I have to agree with him. I don't see the operator there. And I've said in the past, his appearance in most cases aren't that important. If he was truely there, Like he said, there would have been distortion. Not to mention Both Tim AND Jay would have had coughing fits if he was right there. Only Hoody seemed to have had a coughing problem that time (Which is largely uncharacteristic of him). Maybe Hoody had an off screen encounter with The Operator?

On the Subject of Hoody Coughing, that was definitely a male cough. Not a female. I can pretty much say with confidence that completely rules out any theories of Hoody being Sarah, Jessica, or Amy. Unless that was a mistake by the actor, but it clearly shows Hoody in a weakened state leaning against a table. I don't believe it was a mistake by Trosephim.

Are you people forgetting about 3G/4G cell phones? Jay could have easily uploaded the video through his cell phone, transferring the sd card from his camcorder to his phone. Yeah sure it was an abandoned college, but the likely hood of a cell tower being around there is pretty good. Youtube has tons of ways to upload videos to its website. Its not really far fetched to believe that he did it through his phone.

Also based on the last couple of entries, I refuse to believe any longer that the IG time is relative to OOG time in any significant way. Look at Entry 75. It was released in August 23rd. Thats when the they found the note and discovered Alex has been captured. Given the last time we saw Alex in relative realtime, Entry 67 (Feb 15), we can assume Hoody captured Alex within a few days or weeks of that Entry (As he was in a weakened state, would've been easy to recover him after The Operator Left). 77 and 78 take place about a half month apart. That means Jay was being held in Tims House for 2 or 3 weeks before Hoody came to the rescue. And it took Jay a month to go to the college and look for Alex (who's been held in captivity for more than half a year mind you). Now Jay is sitting and waiting (For god only knows how long and for what reason), to do something about Alex, when he's just RIGHT THERE, and KNOWS where he is. Not to mention Tim AND Hoody being in the near proximity.

Really begs the question, what the hell is Jay waiting for this time? Tim or Hoody to do something first? Is he waiting for The Operator (He'll just run away like a scared little puppy if he shows up). Unless Jay is actually showing some intelligence and expects it all to be one big trap for him. If thats the case, than I actually applaud Jay for waiting. It definitely looks like a trap any way you analyze the current situation.


Well, actually we saw Alex in 73, descending from the attic - much more recently than 67, but still quite an unbelievably extended gap. I agree with your logic, just wanted to throw that fact in.

I'm still pondering most of the Entry, but will post about it probably at length when I get my thoughts in order.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:20 pm
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Marble Hornets wrote:

There would have been some kind of distortion (saying season 1 entries had no distortion is not viable evidence bc things obviously changed as they went along (every time he has appeared in seasons 2 and 3 there has been distortion.) There has never been an operator sighting where it wasn't clear as day that he was there, and I highly doubt there ever will be. If they want you to see him, they will make sure you are able to see him.


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It's season one, but it took my third full rewatch to notice him in Entry #7.
But yes, the style choice since even late season one I'd say has TO in plain sight to the camera, with obvious distortion.

People who are complaining about Jay not breaking the window need to understand his character better. Con aside, Jay still wouldn't have broken a window and climbed in during broad daylight. He's...kind of "stupid" (by which I mean his decision making skills are flawed), he'd wait until dark at least.
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 		In the end, complaining over how the series is presented on YouTube is irrelevant to the actual events in the series. The argument has been done to death, repeatedly.

Please move on.

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Zarggg wrote:
In the end, complaining over how the series is presented on YouTube is irrelevant to the actual events in the series. The argument has been done to death, repeatedly.

Please move on.


Sorry I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to voice an opinion in literally my first post here.

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 		So. No one's really discussing the matter of Tim knowing to go straight to that basement or where he might have gone after Jay lost sight of him. Regarding the latter, my brother and I have come to the following conclusion:

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Upon realizing Jay was following him, Tim ran to the creepy photo room and hid under the white sheet. He was the "body". [/joke]


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TheJoker wrote:
So. No one's really discussing the matter of Tim knowing to go straight to that basement


Because it doesn't seem like he did. He checked multiple locked buildings before going there. It seemed like he was just searching methodically.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:23 pm
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 		As far as Jay breaking the window goes
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it's obviously just a way to explain the wait. they knew we'd be asking why he wouldn't break a window so they at least told us he's considering it. Not to mention it would probably make a lot of noise, and if it is indeed a trap, he'd get caught immediately.



It seems like everything was placed there for Tim, not Jay. Tim was the one who knew what building to go to and where to look. If it wasn't for Tim, Jay would have probably never found that clue. This begs the question of not only how did Tim know where to go, but why is Hoody sending him on an easter egg hunt rather than just telling him where to go from the beginning.

I think Jay is significant to Hoody because he doesn't have the sickness yet, and therefore won't go masky. Even while tied up, I don't think that was a masky state so much as it was pure anger. After they encountered the operator at Alex's old house, Jay seemed to have the sickness for a while but got over it apparently, something I still don't understand as the pills are a temporary solution not a permanent one.

I also still think Alex was in his masky state when he killed Bruce, which would explain him sitting quietly by the tunnel not wanting to be bothered. It's also possible he went masky on Brian/Seth as well, the things that happened with him that we've seen might not have been concious choices.


My prediction for the next entry is that Jay confronts a tied up Alex, who reveals something big that could potentally have us see Alex as a good guy again. The operator/Tim will be nearby, and won't like that Alex revealed a secret. I think Tim is the real bad guy, and Alex isn't truly evil.


I still think their biggest obstacle is that they try to tailor story moments to the environments they're using and sometimes they don't end up making sense. Like hoody was clearly in that first building so they could get a cool shot, but it didn't make sense for him to be in there waiting for anyone if the clues and alex were in two other buildings. Sometimes the story matters more than the location.

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drseussicide wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
In the end, complaining over how the series is presented on YouTube is irrelevant to the actual events in the series. The argument has been done to death, repeatedly.

Please move on.


Sorry I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to voice an opinion in literally my first post here.


The post was not addressed at you, specifically. The debate about production, filler entries, and gaps between entry uploads has gone on here in nearly every thread about every entry a long time now. It's getting rather tiresome, because discussion always devolves into arguments between users, often caustically.

This forum is primarily to discuss the mysteries and in-game events of the series, not to criticize the production values or decisions of the series creators. If you wish to discuss that, we do have a thread devoted to out-of-game discussion.

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 		Is Alex tied up in Benedict Hall, or did he get loose and is hiding out there? What's up with that note, and who is it for exactly?
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 		Usually I don't agree with Marble Hornets but I do think like his theory a lot, it makes alot of sense. I also agree with Zargg, really guys, stahp, like cut it out. With the Xacto that Jay currently has
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 		For a secluded abandoned location, there were a lot of cars parked at one of the buildings. Jes' sayin.

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 		I think part of the school is still operating, just that they had to close most of their building due to budget cuts or something.
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 		Oh man, all the key players in the same place. This is it!

Marble Hornets wrote:
It's completely unreasonable to think that Jay would go home, upload this video, and then go back. Why would he sit and watch the building? He drove all that way, he would have realistically broken a window to get in. Tim probably ended up finding that room and is on his way there anyway and Tim will surely break glass to get in.


I think we could have a very long discussion about the merits and drawbacks of trying to present a narrative in apparent real time, and why that strategy will basically always result in situations like this.

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 		If Jay's right and Tim does know the place better, could that be because Tim once attended this college? I know he gave the impression of not knowing anything, but he could have been lying about that.

And I still want to know what Jay's supposed to do with the penknife? There's no way he could defend himself with it; it's a worse choice than that pitiful little pocket knife!

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