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[VIDEO] Quadrant
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Hazman
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censura_umbra wrote:
No. Twisted puppet specifically asked if the video was related and linked to the video. Troy said yes, it was.


Oh right. So it's just random TTA-ness again?

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AbyssalRook
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Sha Noran wrote:

What about shifting 5 spaces in a certain pattern, like a knight in chess but more spaces? Like not just horizontal or vertical but a bit more creative than that. The numbers would be key to working this out, because in the end you wanna not have any numbers, just letters. Also repeating characters, like the C - focus on that because that character would be used twice with 1 digit between and that limits the possibilities due to English language restrictions with spelling.


That sounds good, except that 3 of the keys are 1, 9, and M, which puts them all in separate corners. There's no way to have a single pattern work for all of them, and moving up and down isn't something that can be done easilly, either. For example: Which key is directly above C? Is it D? F?

If this has something to do with a keyboard, I don't think it's a sliding puzzle.


What we need to do is, instead of thinking like a codebreaker, think like a coder. When he made this code, he started with something intelligable, and then ran it through at least one filter, and then he likely broke it up into multiple parts. In the past, a lot of the TTA codes have been extremely simple to encode, but harder to decode. The trick hasn't been anything overcomplex. It's likely something very simple that we just haven't caught on to yet.

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Sha Noran
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 		@Ascalondion: Very good first post, welcome. I will only say that I am fairly sure the face you speak of (black and white, half face, grinning) is Amy. I didn't think so myself at first either, but look toward the top of page 10 in this thread. My mind was blown, maybe yours will be too. Cheers. Smile

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maddielyne
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 		In light of learning that typing was the answer to 'How do hands talk', or that's what seems to be implied, I tried a four-square cipher with the keywords QUADRNT and TYPING. In doing this I changed the numbers in the Quadrant code to their corresponding letters. This yielded nothing, as I only got two vowels to eight consonants, which can't anagram to anything.

I think it may be a four-square cipher, and this is for three reasons:
1) The layout of the code and words in Quadrant is reminiscent of such a cipher.
2) The word 'quadrant' references the method used by the cipher (it could, of course, be referring to other things instead).
3) The code has ten characters, and if one wants to encode something using the four-square, you need to divide the message into groups of 2 letters, so ten works out evenly.

Here are some alternate ways I have in mind to run the message through this cipher:
Try these keywords, in all combinations: HANDS, QUADRNT, TYPING, THIRD.
Try getting rid of the numbers by other means, such as adding 5 to them then turning them into letters, or another way.

If anyone wants to take a crack at it, go ahead. Even if you have never used a four-square cipher, it is very easy to learn, just take a peek at the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-square_cipher

If you do try any of these, post that you did so that others don't do the same work twice.
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Midpan
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 		"I can not help" is what I get from the code, just move 2 up or down on the keyboard

P.s first post, hi all

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EmeraldWind
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Midpan wrote:
"I can not help" is what I get from the code, just move 2 up or down on the keyboard

P.s first post, hi all



It fits the format:
Code:

N           I
E 1 Y       C A N
I M C       N O T
6 C 9 ?     H E L P


PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:14 pm
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TheoryOfN
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pestoner wrote:
Pentagram you guys.. Surprised



Nevermind me,im out of ideas and waiting for the decode people to show up,allthough i think we have decoded the tweets already,but the quadrant code is still unsolved Sad


Try with a Dvorak?

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LBfly
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 		If its I can not help, remember theres an interrogation marks that flashes at the end of the code.

I can not help?

Teasing TTA couldnt expect less.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:15 pm
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TheoryOfN
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maddielyne wrote:
In light of learning that typing was the answer to 'How do hands talk', or that's what seems to be implied, I tried a four-square cipher with the keywords QUADRNT and TYPING. In doing this I changed the numbers in the Quadrant code to their corresponding letters. This yielded nothing, as I only got two vowels to eight consonants, which can't anagram to anything.

I think it may be a four-square cipher, and this is for three reasons:
1) The layout of the code and words in Quadrant is reminiscent of such a cipher.
2) The word 'quadrant' references the method used by the cipher (it could, of course, be referring to other things instead).
3) The code has ten characters, and if one wants to encode something using the four-square, you need to divide the message into groups of 2 letters, so ten works out evenly.

Here are some alternate ways I have in mind to run the message through this cipher:
Try these keywords, in all combinations: HANDS, QUADRNT, TYPING, THIRD.
Try getting rid of the numbers by other means, such as adding 5 to them then turning them into letters, or another way.

If anyone wants to take a crack at it, go ahead. Even if you have never used a four-square cipher, it is very easy to learn, just take a peek at the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-square_cipher

If you do try any of these, post that you did so that others don't do the same work twice.


Posted yesterday:

TheoryOfN wrote:
The video title "Quadrant" led me to believe it might be a four-square cipher using the keywords "didyou" and "eversee". I have no idea what to put into it though. There are no numbers in a four-square cipher so the last code wouldn't work. The only other text is the "Who Am I The Third". So I tried it. This is what I got:

omission of Q:
WH OA MI TH ET HI RD
WC GA KD PF OT ED RV
(potentially reversed):
CW AG DK FP TO DE RV

I and J in the same square:
WH OA MI TH ET HI RD
WC GS LC QF OT ED RV
(potentially reversed):
CW SG CL FQ TO DE VR

EDIT: Decoding it also came out with similar gibberish.

So...nothing really coherent. But it would make sense to use a four-square cipher using those keywords. Here are the ciphers I used (EDIT: I can't figure out how to embed images. Oh well):

Omission of Q

http://i.imgur.com/wmdcVKN.png?1

I and J in the same square

http://i.imgur.com/VzXHFQa.png?1

EDIT: I also realize it's silly to try and decode a string of characters that isn't encoded.


Midpan wrote:
"I can not help" is what I get from the code, just move 2 up or down on the keyboard

P.s first post, hi all


The problem with this is that the movement is not consistent. Some moved up and right and some moved up and left. For example, you have both I=N and Y=N

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:17 pm
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EmeraldWind
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LBfly wrote:
If its I can not help, remember theres an interrogation marks that flashes at the end of the code.

I can not help?

Teasing TTA couldnt expect less.


There aren't any interrogation marks after the code...

The question mark in the code becomes the P in help.

But on inspecting the code... it doesn't seem to work at all...

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:18 pm
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TheJoker
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 		That actually seems exactly like what he'd say, especially since everything he's done lately seems to indicate he's unable or unwilling to deal with Alex himself and needs Jay to do it for him. It fits quite nicely.

Why he took the time to make a three-stage coded message to say that? I dunno, TTA being TTA, I guess.

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LBfly
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 		I can not help fits i just checked it but how in the world did you get the idea of moving two spaces up or down? Sounds really random to me.

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Sha Noran
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AbyssalRook wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:

What about shifting 5 spaces in a certain pattern, like a knight in chess but more spaces? Like not just horizontal or vertical but a bit more creative than that. The numbers would be key to working this out, because in the end you wanna not have any numbers, just letters. Also repeating characters, like the C - focus on that because that character would be used twice with 1 digit between and that limits the possibilities due to English language restrictions with spelling.


That sounds good, except that 3 of the keys are 1, 9, and M, which puts them all in separate corners. There's no way to have a single pattern work for all of them, and moving up and down isn't something that can be done easilly, either. For example: Which key is directly above C? Is it D? F?

If this has something to do with a keyboard, I don't think it's a sliding puzzle.


What we need to do is, instead of thinking like a codebreaker, think like a coder. When he made this code, he started with something intelligable, and then ran it through at least one filter, and then he likely broke it up into multiple parts. In the past, a lot of the TTA codes have been extremely simple to encode, but harder to decode. The trick hasn't been anything overcomplex. It's likely something very simple that we just haven't caught on to yet.


First, sorry for the potential double post.

I think the 5 space pattern would not be utilized the same way on each letter, but shifted around the key given to achieve the correct answer letter. Like a knight in chess can move in a very specific L shaped pattern, but in any direction, except instead of a 3 space movement pattern in this case it would be a 5 space pattern.

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TheSupremeFace
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 		So basically...TTA says
Find alex and the ark
Who am I?
Lol i'm not gonna help you with that.....

so just classic TTA doing the same shit again

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KTsteve
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EmeraldWind wrote:
Midpan wrote:
"I can not help" is what I get from the code, just move 2 up or down on the keyboard

P.s first post, hi all



It fits the format:
Code:

N           I
E 1 Y       C A N
I M C       N O T
6 C 9 ?     H E L P


Wow, there we go. Makes sense, though I'm not positive since you have to go diagonal for both one of the n's and the I.

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