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Midpan
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KTsteve wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
Midpan wrote:
"I can not help" is what I get from the code, just move 2 up or down on the keyboard

P.s first post, hi all



It fits the format:
Code:

N           I
E 1 Y       C A N
I M C       N O T
6 C 9 ?     H E L P


Wow, there we go. Makes sense, though I'm not positive since you have to go diagonal for both one of the n's and the I.


On my keyboard they're all diagonally and evenly spaced, I'm not sure how others are

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maddielyne
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 		While it would be nice if it said I CAN NOT HELP, the method used to reach that message is inconsistent, which makes it a bad code, or not a code at all. Even using the method of shifting two up or down (which seems arbitrary), there is no pattern in this shifting and its merely random. Hypothetically it could still be the answer, but the codes used by TTA are usually quite methodical and there are usually less random variables.
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TheoryOfN
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LBfly wrote:
I can not help fits i just checked it but how in the world did you get the idea of moving two spaces up or down? Sounds really random to me.


It's a keyboard cipher. Seeing as the twitter codes led to a keyboard, it follows logically that it could be a keyboard cipher. Though I don't believe the solution is "I can not help". The means by which that solution was found is not consistent.

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Mdisk64
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 		Just my two cents:

Near the end, it says "Who am I" then flashes to "Am I the third" this supports the theory that totheark is a group of people, and the uploader of this video is a new member of this group, as the first two were Masky and Hoody. Now...

... Maybe Jay?

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KTsteve
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maddielyne wrote:
While it would be nice if it said I CAN NOT HELP, the method used to reach that message is inconsistent, which makes it a bad code, or not a code at all. Even using the method of shifting two up or down (which seems arbitrary), there is no pattern in this shifting and its merely random. Hypothetically it could still be the answer, but the codes used by TTA are usually quite methodical and there is usually less random variables.


That's the only reason I'm questioning it. Could be a coincidence, unlike the video it only has two things pointing to it not being coincidental that being it makes a legit sentence, and it matches the format of 1, 3, 3, 4. Maybe if "I can not help" matched something else in the video, or was related to something he's said in the past I'd believe it 100%, but right now i'm at about 70%.

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EmeraldWind
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maddielyne wrote:
While it would be nice if it said I CAN NOT HELP, the method used to reach that message is inconsistent, which makes it a bad code, or not a code at all. Even using the method of shifting two up or down (which seems arbitrary), there is no pattern in this shifting and its merely random. Hypothetically it could still be the answer, but the codes used by TTA are usually quite methodical and there are usually less random variables.


Not true with the up or down. Letters in the 3rd and 4th rows must be shifted up. Letters in the 1st and 2nd rows must be shifted down. Because that is the only way to shift them.

What bothers me is not all of them are in the right columns.

Edit:
Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
Q W E R T Y U I O P
A S D F G H J K L :
Z X C V B N M < > ?


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TheOperator
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TheJoker wrote:
...Operator, why did you bring that up here? The entry was two weeks ago and this isn't its thread. This is the TTA vid's thread. (Not trying to be hostile, just saying, this isn't the right place.) But that said...


It was in response to darkjesusmelb, I was too lazy to double quote though.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Also lol at even Troy getting tired of the bickering.


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TheoryOfN
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EmeraldWind wrote:
Not true with the up or down. Letters in the 3rd and 4th rows must be shifted up. Letters in the 1st and 2nd rows must be shifted down. Because that is the only way to shift them.

What bothers me is not all of them are in the right columns.


That's not how keyboard ciphers work. Unless there is some outside key, all letters shift the same direction, the same number of times. If you hit the end of the row, start at the other end. It wraps around.

EDIT: Also, most keyboard ciphers don't include numbers or symbols. Only the letter portion is used.

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EmeraldWind
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TheoryOfN wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
Not true with the up or down. Letters in the 3rd and 4th rows must be shifted up. Letters in the 1st and 2nd rows must be shifted down. Because that is the only way to shift them.

What bothers me is not all of them are in the right columns.


That's not how keyboard ciphers work. Unless there is some outside key, all letters shift the same direction, the same number of times. If you hit the end of the row, start at the other end. It wraps around.


That still doesn't work with N to I... two down from N would be U.

Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
Q W E R T Y U I O P
A S D F G H J K L :
Z X C V B N M < > ?


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TheoryOfN
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EmeraldWind wrote:
TheoryOfN wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
Not true with the up or down. Letters in the 3rd and 4th rows must be shifted up. Letters in the 1st and 2nd rows must be shifted down. Because that is the only way to shift them.

What bothers me is not all of them are in the right columns.


That's not how keyboard ciphers work. Unless there is some outside key, all letters shift the same direction, the same number of times. If you hit the end of the row, start at the other end. It wraps around.


That still doesn't work with N to I... two down from N would be U.


I'm not saying it would work. This might not be a keyboard cipher. All I'm saying is that that's how keyboard ciphers work.

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Hylianhero777
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 		Glad we got that business... somewhat sorted out. It seems that I can not help is the answer, but I wouldn't rule out it being something else. Has anyone tried doing this key shift thing with the "garbage" tweets that we didn't think were solvable?

Also, I would like to apologize for ranting at twistedpuppet. I was just irritated that everything was going so off the rails, but I shouldn't have been that aggressive about it.

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TheoryOfN
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Hylianhero777 wrote:
Glad we got that business... somewhat sorted out. It seems that I can not help is the answer, but I wouldn't rule out it being something else. Has anyone tried doing this key shift thing with the "garbage" tweets that we didn't think were solvable?


The answer is not "I can not help". The method with which that "solution" was discovered is inconsistent.

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There's not much point in looking into the Twitter codes anymore as they've already been confirmed by Troy to be correct.


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Hylianhero777
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TheoryOfN wrote:
Hylianhero777 wrote:
Glad we got that business... somewhat sorted out. It seems that I can not help is the answer, but I wouldn't rule out it being something else. Has anyone tried doing this key shift thing with the "garbage" tweets that we didn't think were solvable?


The answer is not "I can not help". The method with which that "solution" was discovered is inconsistent.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
There's not much point in looking into the Twitter codes anymore as they've already been confirmed by Troy to be correct.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Wait, which twitter codes were confirmed correct and what were their solutions? I don't recall that happening.

Also, this isn't the first time we were given an "inconsistent" TTA code. Remember the Jessica fiasco and how each set of numbers could have been one of two letters? Not saying that means that this new typing code is right, but it wouldn't be unprecedented.

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DHawk314
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 		Ya I dunno I checked out the code myself, seems too coincidental to just be happenstance, especially with the keyboard thing. I'll stick with this until someone else figures out something better.
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EmeraldWind
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TheoryOfN wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
TheoryOfN wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
Not true with the up or down. Letters in the 3rd and 4th rows must be shifted up. Letters in the 1st and 2nd rows must be shifted down. Because that is the only way to shift them.

What bothers me is not all of them are in the right columns.


That's not how keyboard ciphers work. Unless there is some outside key, all letters shift the same direction, the same number of times. If you hit the end of the row, start at the other end. It wraps around.


That still doesn't work with N to I... two down from N would be U.


I'm not saying it would work. This might not be a keyboard cipher. All I'm saying is that that's how keyboard ciphers work.


It is weird though. The way I said works in every case except for the ones that obviously don't work with the 2 up/down method and even those have have a common pattern being 2 up/down and 2 over. While it might not be a standard keyboard cipher, the 2 up/down method is too consistent with my extra rule... it seems there's an addition rule here or maybe its just something that looks like a +2/-2 at a glance.

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