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Pillbug
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wassupbro wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
It's kind of obvious what happened. After TO took Jay's corpse either Alex or Hoodie walked in and turned Jay's camera off. Then Tim came back later and found it, watched the footage and started recording again.


Its Alex who turns the camera off. His shoes and jeans match from when you see him in the hallway. He also bursts the door open, and is clearly not looking for Jay. He knew what happened.


What if he left the footage specifically for Tim? "There's nothing you can do, and you're next" kind of thing?

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Piqua72
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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Piqua72 wrote:
Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


Except you forget that the Operator and Alex have an accord and he might already know Jay's a wanna-be timelord because the operator is not bound by this world's laws and could have "told" him as much. Honestly I'm grasping at a straw on that one because that's a compelling argument against the "Hoody is Future Jay" theory. But hell we're speculating on a character in a universe where time travel is a thing...

I for one don't think they're actually going to reveal hoody's identity until after the season closes if they do at all. So I don't think we'll ever really know. But this particular entry and the last TTA make the other ones fit together in such a way that it Implies Jay from the future. Just like the coded tweet earlier, Occam's razor would imply Either Future Jay or Brian, with Future Jay being in the lead by a mile at least in my mind; and I used to HATE that theory almost as much as Serum hates Sarah-lovers.



HAHAHA its sad because Im newer to this forum, and even I know all about his hatred for Sarah-lovers. and no offense, but you really are grasping for straws there. Bravo on a half decent explanation though! haha maybe I am just biased because I would totally and absolutely hate a "Hoody is future Jay" reveal, but I really dont see the logic of that totally come together. some points I would concede make perfect sense, but there are too many other situations (like 6Cool that wouldnt. I am sticking to Brian/seth for now. I really hope they do reveal Hoody in the series though! That would be the biggest cock block ever if they didnt.

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Piqua72
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Pillbug wrote:
wassupbro wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
It's kind of obvious what happened. After TO took Jay's corpse either Alex or Hoodie walked in and turned Jay's camera off. Then Tim came back later and found it, watched the footage and started recording again.


Its Alex who turns the camera off. His shoes and jeans match from when you see him in the hallway. He also bursts the door open, and is clearly not looking for Jay. He knew what happened.


What if he left the footage specifically for Tim? "There's nothing you can do, and you're next" kind of thing?


Thats at least sort of possible, but its not really Alex's style. He never really wanted to inflict pain it seemed like, or send warning. Just tie up loose ends and be done with it all. Or so it seemed. Hard to tell because his character is so contradictory.

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LiefWolfsbane
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Rand0mExpl0sive wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Piqua72 wrote:
Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


Except you forget that the Operator and Alex have an accord and he might already know Jay's a wanna-be timelord because the operator is not bound by this world's laws and could have "told" him as much. Honestly I'm grasping at a straw on that one because that's a compelling argument against the "Hoody is Future Jay" theory. But hell we're speculating on a character in a universe where time travel is a thing...

I for one don't think they're actually going to reveal hoody's identity until after the season closes if they do at all. So I don't think we'll ever really know. But this particular entry and the last TTA make the other ones fit together in such a way that it Implies Jay from the future. Just like the coded tweet earlier, Occam's razor would imply Either Future Jay or Brian, with Future Jay being in the lead by a mile at least in my mind; and I used to HATE that theory almost as much as Serum hates Sarah-lovers.


On the other hand, if it was future Jay, and Alex didn't recognize him, then maybe Jay's face isn't quite recognizable anymore.


That may be as well.

Piqua, did you see my edit? I'm thinking it through... when have we ever had a contradiction to the Future Jay theory asides 68?
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Neroslol
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so I did some observations:

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i'm certain hoody in this entry was Seth, i've been comparing some images from this entry (80), 9, and some others (will post in a little while here, there was quite a few things I found to be similar) and just the build of hoody alone matches him, I think it's safe to assume Brian is too stocky for him to be hoody in this entry and Robo-Jay just seems implausible


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I apologize if this has been suggested before, but the only thing I thought as Jay saw the Operator was "Oh my god, the Ark is the place the Operator takes people to, isn't it?"

I mean, totheark told Jay to go to Benedict Hall, find Alex, and find the Ark. And I'm pretty sure that totheark wants closure just as much as Jay does, he just isn't stable enough to find it himself so he needs a surrogate. totheark either wants to find all his old friends and save them, or just find out they're gone forever and close that question. So this could potentially be how he intended it to happen.

However, I don't know if totheark intended for Jay to get shot. In Decay, he said "[Jay] will lead me to you. Lead me to death. Lead me to the ark." So that could support the theory that he did intend it to happen, as "death" came before "the ark," so in dying Jay would lead him to the ark. But he might have been referring to Jay killing Alex, in which case it might have become a lot safer to get to the ark without going through Alex?

I dunno, I feel like this entry when combined with the previous videos heavily supports that the ark is wherever Jay went-- most likely the same place Tim went in Entry 65, where we saw Bruce, so it can be inferred that anyone the Operator takes is in that same location.
The only problem is that that's as far as I can get with this theory, myself, until either another video comes out or some other clue/evidence to the contrary is found in an earlier video.

...y'know what, while I'm rambling, I want to mention another reason I don't think totheark intended for Jay to get shot. totheark has been fixated on Jay ever since the start of the series, because Jay is potential for closure. Jay is someone who did not seem entangled enough in Alex's web of lies to prevent him from investigating and uncovering things. totheark provided Jay with many leads and clues to finding the path to answers, and potentially to uncovering the ark where totheark's friends were kept, dead or alive. Jay often did nothing productive, and when that happened, totheark would get angry (Entry ######, Memories). Whenever Jay encountered another character, totheark would often attempt to speak directly to that character in the only way he's able to while so psychologically fragmented: typing/videos. To Alex, totheark would be consistently vengeful (Program, Fragments, Decay) or vindicative (Sidenote), though usually also paranoid (Isolation, Decline). To Tim, totheark started off seeing him as a companion in suffering (Addition, Warning, Extraction), though as Tim made progress with his sanity totheark saw him as leaving him behind and grew bitter (Reminder, Reference, observation).

Then Tim did something surprising: He started trying to help how he could, even giving pills at one point. totheark grew jealous (File), fearing that if Tim got his way he and Jay would continue living as Tim himself was trying to live-- putting the past behind them and pretending nothing ever happened (as supported by Tim's specific complaints in Entry 59). totheark wanted Jay back on "track," the track of seeking closure even if nobody else wants to help you, because that's what totheark's always wanted. So totheark does something drastic in return. He lies about Jessica still being out there (Display, Surveillance). When that doesn't seem to work, and Tim seems to be making progress at gaining Jay's trust, totheark lashes out (Conversion). But by this point, the damage is already done. Jay knows Jessica is gone now. He blames himself entirely for this, and since he only wanted closure, he deteriorates considerably and lashes out, himself, at Tim. totheark sees this as in his favour, as he doesn't want Jay to trust Tim too much out of jealousy, so when Tim leaves him alone, totheark saves Jay and helps him go do what he was supposed to have done all along, bumping up the pressure and saying this is his last chance.

The last thing I will bring up is that, the way things are structured, I think Quadrant was intended as totheark's response to the events of Entry 80, it's just that Tim hadn't uploaded the video yet (look at it like a sort of depressing equivalent to Sidenote). Quadrant stands out, to me, as being a piece of regret. totheark realizes what he has done and asks himself if he is a liar, just as he had so vehemently claimed Tim was (and Jay, when totheark was mad at Jay).

I see totheark as a dynamic character, someone whose viewpoint and intentions have changed throughout the series, though his modus operandi has always been to try and help/manipulate Jay to find closure once and for all by any means necessary. It's just that now he's come to see the ramifications.

..of course, at the moment this is all just a theory. We'll have to see what direction future entries and videos go in to see if I'm just extrapolating baselessly.

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Oransel
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Couple of thoughts:

1. "Jay from the future" theory is wrong in my opinion. Both for IG and OOG reasons. Sure, it can be true, everything is possible in Marble Hornets, including my theory on
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TO being a metaphor for drugs

but it's kind of a stretch here.

2. Alex is progressively reduced to robot. He was very straightforward with shooting. He does not talk, unlike in previous instances. Even his movements are robotic.

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CraicIsMighty
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I don't even care who Hoodie is anymore. Whoever it is can go to hell. So can Alex and Tim. All three of them have done nothing but plot and scheme and bring suffering on all the innocent people around them.

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what if alex is hoody and has been getting someone else to pose as him and make it seem like theyre on different sides

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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Rand0mExpl0sive wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Piqua72 wrote:
Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


Except you forget that the Operator and Alex have an accord and he might already know Jay's a wanna-be timelord because the operator is not bound by this world's laws and could have "told" him as much. Honestly I'm grasping at a straw on that one because that's a compelling argument against the "Hoody is Future Jay" theory. But hell we're speculating on a character in a universe where time travel is a thing...

I for one don't think they're actually going to reveal hoody's identity until after the season closes if they do at all. So I don't think we'll ever really know. But this particular entry and the last TTA make the other ones fit together in such a way that it Implies Jay from the future. Just like the coded tweet earlier, Occam's razor would imply Either Future Jay or Brian, with Future Jay being in the lead by a mile at least in my mind; and I used to HATE that theory almost as much as Serum hates Sarah-lovers.


On the other hand, if it was future Jay, and Alex didn't recognize him, then maybe Jay's face isn't quite recognizable anymore.


That may be as well.

Piqua, did you see my edit? I'm thinking it through... when have we ever had a contradiction to the Future Jay theory asides 68?


I cant seem to find you edit, but I admit most of what I thought were disproving moments are actually still possible with a future Jay. I just don't buy it. It just doesn't feel like a marble hornets move to me. If it does happen, I will be the first to create a new thread and admit I was wrong, but I would seriously disapprove of that idea from Trosephim if Hoody is indeed Jay from the future. At this point all we can do is wait and see.

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DJay32 wrote:
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Regardless of who TTA ends up being, this fits the character very well. All three possibilities. Very nicely put together friend. :3
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Great video. Holy shit that was out of nowhere. And it didn't take 10+ minutes for shit to start happening. Really eager to see how the endgame plays out. It was absolutely heartbreaking to hear Tim scream out for Jay at the end.

The first person who picks up the camera, logically has to be Tim. He hears a gunshot, goes in to investigate, finds the camera, picks it up, watches the footage, and resumes recording. At least that seems like the simplest explanation to me. A lot of people here have a tendency to see hoof prints and immediately think "Zebra!" instead of "Horse."

Hoody's motivation is rather baffling I'll admit. But he was true in his words. Jay found Alex, and he found the Ark. He never said it would be pretty. Perhaps Hoody has a way of accessing or contacting Jay once inside the Ark, and can use that to achieve his ends.

Also, I couldn't help but laugh at the end when Tim screamed "YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY AGAIN!!" And Hoody proceeds to... get away again. Some things change, some things stay the same.

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*reads theories about hoody being Jay from the future*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3id-Fb8ooY

Seriously though, if they did reveal that that's who Hoody was at this point, I'd actually like that. I'm not convinced that Hoody was involved with totheark until after Jay had started working with Alex, still think that if anyone was working with masked Tim in season one, we'd have seen them, and that Hoody came later, in a similar way to how Jay started to turn this season. And yes, I do think it was Tim who was filming Jay from the bushes during the summer of '06. He's the one who seems to have been dealing with this stuff the longest.

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The biggest question of all is what are their intentions. What does hoody want. what the hell did masky want. what the hell does the operator want.

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Piqua72
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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
DJay32 wrote:
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Regardless of who TTA ends up being, this fits the character very well. All three possibilities. Very nicely put together friend. :3


See I like how we have different opinions and aren't killing each other, unlike the many people involved in the flame wars from the quadrant video. I should't criticize them at all, but I would rather like to call attention to how you and I just as easily disagreed on something without fighting. Well I'm off to bed all! I hope to read some more wonderful theories and observations tomorrow!

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