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CraicIsMighty
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JustJim wrote:

The first person who picks up the camera, logically has to be Tim. He hears a gunshot, goes in to investigate, finds the camera, picks it up, watches the footage, and resumes recording. At least that seems like the simplest explanation to me. A lot of people here have a tendency to see hoof prints and immediately think "Zebra!" instead of "Horse."



I'll repeat myself. When Jay went into Benedict Hall it was day time. When Tim picked up the camera it was night. Unless you're saying it took Tim 5+ hours to watch a few minutes worth of footage, it seems obvious that Tim was NOT the first person to pick up the camera.

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Piqua72 wrote:
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Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


Except you forget that the Operator and Alex have an accord and he might already know Jay's a wanna-be timelord because the operator is not bound by this world's laws and could have "told" him as much. Honestly I'm grasping at a straw on that one because that's a compelling argument against the "Hoody is Future Jay" theory. But hell we're speculating on a character in a universe where time travel is a thing...

I for one don't think they're actually going to reveal hoody's identity until after the season closes if they do at all. So I don't think we'll ever really know. But this particular entry and the last TTA make the other ones fit together in such a way that it Implies Jay from the future. Just like the coded tweet earlier, Occam's razor would imply Either Future Jay or Brian, with Future Jay being in the lead by a mile at least in my mind; and I used to HATE that theory almost as much as Serum hates Sarah-lovers.


On the other hand, if it was future Jay, and Alex didn't recognize him, then maybe Jay's face isn't quite recognizable anymore.


That may be as well.

Piqua, did you see my edit? I'm thinking it through... when have we ever had a contradiction to the Future Jay theory asides 68?


I cant seem to find you edit, but I admit most of what I thought were disproving moments are actually still possible with a future Jay. I just don't buy it. It just doesn't feel like a marble hornets move to me. If it does happen, I will be the first to create a new thread and admit I was wrong, but I would seriously disapprove of that idea from Trosephim if Hoody is indeed Jay from the future. At this point all we can do is wait and see.


I can't really say I'm happy about it either, but I AM happy that for once, Hoody's identity almost seems obvious and it's a total curveball. My edit basically concluded in me saying something to the effect of if Jay was indeed rescued instead of slain by TO in this instance, then that means The Operator has extended some blanket of protection around Jay just as he has with Alex, and maybe that's why Hoody can't touch Alex other than capture, and one could assume vice-versa.

I haven't watched 68 for awhile, I'm going to go do that again, but did Alex hesitate at all or seem surprised when he saw Hoody unmaksed in that entry? I can't remember.
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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
did Alex hesitate at all or seem surprised when he saw Hoody unmaksed in that entry? I can't remember.


He didn't seem to react at all. But that doesn't really tell us anything, he may have simply seen Hoody's face on another occasion that wasn't filmed and already come to terms with it.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
JustJim wrote:

The first person who picks up the camera, logically has to be Tim. He hears a gunshot, goes in to investigate, finds the camera, picks it up, watches the footage, and resumes recording. At least that seems like the simplest explanation to me. A lot of people here have a tendency to see hoof prints and immediately think "Zebra!" instead of "Horse."



I'll repeat myself. When Jay went into Benedict Hall it was day time. When Tim picked up the camera it was night. Unless you're saying it took Tim 5+ hours to watch a few minutes worth of footage, it seems obvious that Tim was NOT the first person to pick up the camera.


You're right, the time lapse is too long. Tim saw something that made him need to get the fuck out of benedict hall and go get something/go clear his head/whatever. Maybe he was fleeing from gun-toting alex, and Alex chased him a bit giving Jay his entry chance. I assumed that it was Alex who picked up the camera initially since he was just outside the door. He could've been disinterested in the footage since his mind is so weird at this point. But then the shoes reminded me of Hoody's in that entry from his point of view (68?), though I'm not sure if they're an exact match.

What's clear is that Tim came back a while later and was the second person to pick up the camera. UNLESS it's something completely out of left field like zombie jay getting up and picking up the camera then dropping it for some reason.

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 		I don't think Hoody wanted Jay dead. If that were the case, he could have done it easily when he was tied up.

No, Hoody either wanted specifically for Alex to kill Jay, or he wanted Jay to be taken to wherever it is that the Operator takes people...
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t3hkender wrote:
or he wanted Jay to be taken to wherever it is that the Operator takes people...


This was my thought to, but the question is "why"? Tim's been taken, and in that case we got to see where he went and what he saw, and it didn't really accomplish anything. Makes me wonder if maybe there's something special about Jay that hasn't been revealed yet.

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 		What if TO took Alex as well?

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Geneaux486 wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
did Alex hesitate at all or seem surprised when he saw Hoody unmaksed in that entry? I can't remember.


He didn't seem to react at all. But that doesn't really tell us anything, he may have simply seen Hoody's face on another occasion that wasn't filmed and already come to terms with it.


It says that he isn't Jay or Tim from the future, because Alex specifically asked Hoody where Jay and Tim were.

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paulisdead18 wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
did Alex hesitate at all or seem surprised when he saw Hoody unmaksed in that entry? I can't remember.


He didn't seem to react at all. But that doesn't really tell us anything, he may have simply seen Hoody's face on another occasion that wasn't filmed and already come to terms with it.


It says that he isn't Jay or Tim from the future, because Alex specifically asked Hoody where Jay and Tim were.


I thought all he said was "Where are they". I know it's a stretch, and it isn't a theory I subscribe to, but if Alex had known that Hoody was Jay, by that point he would have also known that Hoody wasn't the Jay that was hiding out with Tim. In other words, he'd know there were two of them. If I were him I'd put that on the same level as the Operator in terms of "Things I'm just gonna pretend aren't there."

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 		I think Jay is going to find Jessica or Amy

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Piqua72 wrote:
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Regardless of who TTA ends up being, this fits the character very well. All three possibilities. Very nicely put together friend. :3


See I like how we have different opinions and aren't killing each other, unlike the many people involved in the flame wars from the quadrant video. I should't criticize them at all, but I would rather like to call attention to how you and I just as easily disagreed on something without fighting. Well I'm off to bed all! I hope to read some more wonderful theories and observations tomorrow!


It's actually a very similar situation. We don't want something to be true but a lot of things clicked in a way that it makes sense, yet in the same breath nobody wants to believe it because that just seems ridiculous. The difference here is that nobody is being inflammatory, and that's a nice change of pace. I'm not going to leap on people for believing differently than I do, on the contrary, I encourage people to because between several different observations, opinions, and possibilities and several minds working in tandem to agree or disagree, typically the true answer will be revealed much faster. I'm very open minded towards any possibility in this series because literally anything is possible in a world where reality bends are almost common.

At any rate, maybe we should stay away from discussing that whole mess, lest we start a flame war about a flame war.
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 		We need to know whose shoes those are. As often as we see shots of people's feet, there's got to be another time throughout the series that shows the shoes AND who they belong to. Anyone down to hunt for a screenshot or something?

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Geneaux486 wrote:
paulisdead18 wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
did Alex hesitate at all or seem surprised when he saw Hoody unmaksed in that entry? I can't remember.


He didn't seem to react at all. But that doesn't really tell us anything, he may have simply seen Hoody's face on another occasion that wasn't filmed and already come to terms with it.


It says that he isn't Jay or Tim from the future, because Alex specifically asked Hoody where Jay and Tim were.


I thought all he said was "Where are they". I know it's a stretch, and it isn't a theory I subscribe to, but if Alex had known that Hoody was Jay, by that point he would have also known that Hoody wasn't the Jay that was hiding out with Tim. In other words, he'd know there were two of them. If I were him I'd put that on the same level as the Operator in terms of "Things I'm just gonna pretend aren't there."


Nah he said "Where did they go? Where are Jay and Tim?" Sure, you could say he knows that the Jay he sees isn't the Jay he's looking for, but I highly doubt they'd pull that when he quite clearly says "Jay and Tim", not indicating he means non-future Jay and Tim.

Considering Alex's mental state I don't think he'd care even if Hoody is also Jay but from a different time. I'd think he'd just off Hoody like that knowing he's Jay, considering what just happened. Alex ain't playin' anymore.

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 		I'm on the fence about the future Jay thing but I don't think Alex asking "Where are Jay and Tim?" conflicts with that theory too much if Hoody is a distinct personality from Jay the same way Masky is from Tim. If Hoody is indeed future Jay, then he has probably existed in what for him is the past for years now, spending that whole time in his alternate personality state. At this point he wouldn't even really be considered "Jay" in any meaningful sense.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
I thought all he said was "Where are they". I know it's a stretch, and it isn't a theory I subscribe to, but if Alex had known that Hoody was Jay, by that point he would have also known that Hoody wasn't the Jay that was hiding out with Tim. In other words, he'd know there were two of them. If I were him I'd put that on the same level as the Operator in terms of "Things I'm just gonna pretend aren't there."


This, more or less.

TheoryOfN wrote:
We need to know whose shoes those are. As often as we see shots of people's feet, there's got to be another time throughout the series that shows the shoes AND who they belong to. Anyone down to hunt for a screenshot or something?


I'll get right on it. If I find anything I'll post it. If someone wants to beat me to it, feel free.

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Nah he said "Where did they go? Where are Jay and Tim?" Sure, you could say he knows that the Jay he sees isn't the Jay he's looking for, but I highly doubt they'd pull that when he quite clearly says "Jay and Tim", not indicating he means non-future Jay and Tim.

Considering Alex's mental state I don't think he'd care even if Hoody is also Jay but from a different time. I'd think he'd just off Hoody like that knowing he's Jay, considering what just happened. Alex ain't playin' anymore.


From an OOG storytelling standpoint, that could literally be anyone he's talking to, they opened up a lot of possibilities with that shot. Could have been Brian, who always has a stupid smile on his face, or could have been Jay, who would know exactly where they were at that point and that would cause him to smirk. It's a basic mystery trope that when they want to leave all possibilities open they conceal identities and word the question in a way that anyone could know or not know the answer, even Future Jay, Even Brian, Even Seth, Hell, Even Sarah, for semantic's sake. (Serum don't kill me plz.)

I hope I'm making sense with that explanation. As for why he didn't off Hoody at that moment, see my previous theory in that maybe he can't without some sort of Oppy retribution. That only applies if it's Jay though. On the other hand, couldn't you make that argument if it was Brian or Seth too? He'd already thought he killed them. If he failed and had an opportunity like that, you don't think that he'd try again?

It's all willing suspension of disbelief in the end. It is a Fictional Supernatural Mystery after all.
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