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yamam
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TheoryOfN wrote:
AbyssalRook wrote:
TheoryOfN wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Tim was being screwed around with by TO for who knows how long there, yet still made it to his car before Jay did, even though Jay ran straight out of the forest. Also, tunnel guy's corpse hadn't rotted.


It was established that Jay didn't know the forest well. I assumed he got lost. I still see no evidence of time manipulation.


You think it would have been easier for Tim, who could barely walk and was so disoriented he didn't know where he was, to have found the right path, staggered out of the forest, and sat down in his car for an undetermined amount of time before Jay found his way out?


Yes. I think it seems more likely than time manipulation.

AbyssalRook wrote:
Besides, we've seen other instances of TO messing with Time, namely in Entry #72, when they go down to the basement and it instantly becomes nighttime. I don't think it's too hard to think that time doesn't move the same way in what I'm now going to call "The Operating Room."


It doesn't take too long for the sun to set. Even shorter for there to be a noticeable light difference from inside.


But it instantly turned pitch black and Jay and Tim totally freaked out about it. Jay made a point especially of how he had no idea how Tim could get back to his car quicker as well. Certainly seems to me that there was weird time manipulation going on. I remember the entry where Jay starts going through doors and they don't go to the right place also had him in a room with light coming through the blinds, and then just a few seconds later it seemed to be dark outside, entry 23 it was

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wewillfindtheark
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Wow I can't believe he's dead. It's unbelievable that all of this happened because of his little and simple search for answers. One way to break my heart is to watch this and the rewatch Entry 20.

But honestly, I am very amazed by the acting, the time, and the editing the guys have put into this series.[/spoiler]

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Ascalondion
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wassupbro wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Judging by Tim's reaction to them in #65, something terrifying is beyond them.


What doors are you talking about?


The doors from #65. Razz
They have been featured recently in "Quadrant", as TheOperator made clear:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1023635&search_id=182218041#1023635

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Armentitron
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Omberto wrote:
Hey, can someone else confirm something for me?

Freeze frame at 2:29, when Jay is in the "dARKroom" (hey, I was, along with others, expecting a reveal of "The Ark" this entry, so I'll settle for this) looking around and turns, we briefly see a folding chair sitting there. That's blood on the backing piece, isn't it?

Oh yes, I do think Entry #81 is going to treat us to what happened in there via Tim's chest-cam




There.

I doubt it's blood. It's possible, but considering the appearance of the rest of the chair, it's probably just concentrated rust. It's a metal chair in a dark, damp basement, after all.[/img]

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A huge pet peeve of mine that pops up all over this forum is that people speculate and create pet theories that are not necessary. This is why there are so many complaints of "filler" entries, because, for example, there doesn't need to be any other explanation of something behind the hospital doors. Why isn't it scary/logical enough that TiMasky was mentally reliving a VERY traumatic part of his childhood? But plenty of times Trosephim takes the precious time to film things that are blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention.

As for the entry itself, I don't see how Hoody is evil or necessarily to blame for Jay getting shot. We don't know how long Jay waited, or why Hoody was acting crazy in #79, etc. There are so many possibilities, but I figure there are two plausible explanations: either Hoody knows exactly what he's doing and did set it up this way for a heretofore unknown reason (but that doesn't mean he's working with/for Alex/TO), or Alex fabricated this whole thing. As for Tim's actions and end text on the entry, I'm getting a vibe that Jay is just getting in the way. I feel like Jay's participation as protagonist has been waning for awhile, and whether or not Jay is dead, I'm ready for someone with stronger motivations/sense to take the reins (though I was hoping Jay would just have some kind of revelation. Oh well).

I don't for a second believe Hoody is Future Jay, though it IS a fun theory to toy with! It's easy to disprove: TO manipulates time/space, yes, but we haven't seen manipulation that results in duplicates. When Tim and Jay are in Alex's old basement, for example, and it's dark all of a sudden, there aren't two sets of Tim and Jay (present and future). They didn't travel through time; rather, they have been dragged forward in a sense by TO. Time/space manipulation in this series has been confined to one copy at any given time, and that extends to Hoody, whoever s/he ends up being. Another good example is when Jay and Tim go to the tunnel and Tim is Slendynapped, then somehow makes it back to his car way before Jay. There isn't another Tim running around somewhere. But there are some fun possibilities if traditional time travel was displayed in the series.

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TheOperator
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TheoryOfN wrote:
AbyssalRook wrote:
TheoryOfN wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Tim was being screwed around with by TO for who knows how long there, yet still made it to his car before Jay did, even though Jay ran straight out of the forest. Also, tunnel guy's corpse hadn't rotted.


It was established that Jay didn't know the forest well. I assumed he got lost. I still see no evidence of time manipulation.


You think it would have been easier for Tim, who could barely walk and was so disoriented he didn't know where he was, to have found the right path, staggered out of the forest, and sat down in his car for an undetermined amount of time before Jay found his way out?


Yes. I think it seems more likely than time manipulation.

AbyssalRook wrote:
Besides, we've seen other instances of TO messing with Time, namely in Entry #72, when they go down to the basement and it instantly becomes nighttime. I don't think it's too hard to think that time doesn't move the same way in what I'm now going to call "The Operating Room."


It doesn't take too long for the sun to set. Even shorter for there to be a noticeable light difference from inside.


That still doesn't answer why Jay would be confounded about Tim getting to the car faster than him if Jay had gotten lost. But if Jay hadn't gotten lost, no way would Tim have been messed around with for all that time and still made it back to the car first. The only explanation is that time was screwed with.

Time shifting definitely happened in #72. When The Operator is visible out the window, look at how quickly the darkness is settling in. Time is being sped up. Jay even unintentionally notes this after by saying "that was a waste of time". Also, the sun went from setting, to completely gone, in the time it took for Jay and Tim to head down the basement steps. Darkness doesn't settle in within seconds. And Tim and Jay were both unsettled by the sudden darkness, so they clearly could tell it wasn't natural.

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Armentitron
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Malckeor wrote:
Piqua72 wrote:
Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


This is exactly what I was thinking. While the "Jay from the future" theory could have had some weight now, Entry 68 is a huge hole in it. Alex looks Hoody right in the face and says "WHERE ARE JAY AND TIM?!" Imagining him saying that right to Jay's face is too comical for me to believe the theory at this point.

Honestly, at this point, I believe it's all but confirmed that Hoody is either Brian or Seth, which is unfortunate. I was hoping for a curveball to be thrown, but it's not looking like that's going to happen.


It's always possible that between now and however old the supposed Future Jay/Hoodie is that Jay's appearance changed somehow and Alex no longer recognizes him. Hell, maybe Jay ends up disfiguring himself between now and then just for that purpose.

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Ascalondion
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Armentitron wrote:
Malckeor wrote:
Piqua72 wrote:
Does anyone else remember when Alex confronted a maskless hoody (Entry 68 I believe) and he didnt even seem to care who it was? He only asks "where are Jay and Tim?" I really really doubt Alex would ask that question if he was staring at Jay from the future.


This is exactly what I was thinking. While the "Jay from the future" theory could have had some weight now, Entry 68 is a huge hole in it. Alex looks Hoody right in the face and says "WHERE ARE JAY AND TIM?!" Imagining him saying that right to Jay's face is too comical for me to believe the theory at this point.

Honestly, at this point, I believe it's all but confirmed that Hoody is either Brian or Seth, which is unfortunate. I was hoping for a curveball to be thrown, but it's not looking like that's going to happen.


It's always possible that between now and however old the supposed Future Jay/Hoodie is that Jay's appearance changed somehow and Alex no longer recognizes him. Hell, maybe Jay ends up disfiguring himself between now and then just for that purpose.


While Hoody=FutureJay is a possible theory, I don't believe it's true. However, I'd propose to move that discussion to the "Who do you think is Hoody"-Thread, as I see very little evidence for that from #80, nor to I see any information gained from that theory regarding the events in #80.

More pressing issues:

- Why was Alex there? Has he fled? Was he freed by someone? Was the Alex-captured thing a setup all along?
- What was Tim doing all the time? Especially when he was spotted by Jay. Was he coming out from Benedict Hall fleeing? Then why this strange walk? Looks more like a sneaky speed walk or something. Why did he decide to go in after nightfall? (Or was he? #timedistortion)
- Hoody...why? Where was he when Alex shot Jay? Why did he reveal himself to Tim, yet do nothing more?
- Why Benedict Hall? I mean, if it was a setup by Alex or Hoody...it could have been done way easier to kill Jay. For example...to kill him when he was captivated in Tim's house, rather than luring him to Benedict Hall...

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Hello all, I've been busy recently and just saw the entry now.

Here are my thoughts, followed by what I consider to be a recap of what we know for sure:

I really think Jay is done for. The same thing happened to Bruce, Brian Jessica, and Seth. I know Jay's been the protagonist for most of the series but his mental state has been degrading and he has picked up on TTA-ish behaviour like stalking and acting nutso, I feel like Jay didn't change his ways in time to save his own life, be it because of oppy influence or some other reason. We never saw anything more of the rest of the crew aside from Alex and Tim as of late, as far as we know everyone else is indeed "gone". We have never seen people being "taken" by the oppy and come back, I don't see why Jay's outcome should be different.

Every time we saw someone get taken, we saw them get severely injured and stressed from Alex, and this summons the operator and then it makes them dissappear. We really don't know what happens to them afterwards, except that they are never seen again as far as we can tell. We also know that oppy can manipulate time and possibly space, so this explains the odd day and night timings. I don't see much ground for the duplicate Jay theory, if Jay did indeed die then future Jay would then cease to exist, cause there would be no future for Jay...

Meanwhile, Tim got medical help and the medication helped him get a handle on his masky side so now it seems Tim is back in control. We never really saw him get taken and dissappear by way of an oppy express trip to the ark (maybe) so that's why he's still around.

We know that TTA is more than one person. There is strong evidence that Tim was once a part of TTA, and he even might still have had a plan of sorts from them, or perhaps his own, as indicated at the end of this entry, but of course that got f'ed up thanks to Alex. TTA and Alex seem to be at odds. Hoody is an odd character, it is difficult to see what side, if any, he is on. We know Hoody is a male because of his cough in a recent entry. And now Tim is taking over for Jay's role, the supposedly neutral party that just wants to figure things out.

I just thought a recap of facts we know might be helpful. It's always good to go over what we know.

Now onto theory: It is totally possible that those who are taken by TO get taken to what seems to be referred to now as the ark, where slendy lives. Perhaps these people get maskified into proxies and formed TTA? These people clearly fear slendy so we know they don't have anything over it. They're trying to oust Alex, which could be summoning the operator. Maybe they want revenge or to keep their fate from happening to others?

Well I really enjoyed this entry and hope Tim can come up with something better than waiting around and get crazy (again).
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Maybe Hoodie just pulled a Dumbledore. He was protecting Jay so that he could die at the right moment. Maybe there's something special about Benedict Hall.

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Ascalondion wrote:
- Why Benedict Hall? I mean, if it was a setup by Alex or Hoody...it could have been done way easier to kill Jay. For example...to kill him when he was captivated in Tim's house, rather than luring him to Benedict Hall...


If it was set up by Alex, it was to put Hoody back on the radar as a major threat. After #67, Jay and Tim probably stopped seeing Hoody as dangerous, just way too mysterious. If it was set up by Hoody, the intention probably wasn't to kill Jay, it was to lure out Alex and/or to try to get Jay/Tim to capture him.

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TheOperator wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
- Why Benedict Hall? I mean, if it was a setup by Alex or Hoody...it could have been done way easier to kill Jay. For example...to kill him when he was captivated in Tim's house, rather than luring him to Benedict Hall...


If it was set up by Alex, it was to put Hoody back on the radar as a major threat. After #67, Jay and Tim probably stopped seeing Hoody as dangerous, just way too mysterious. If it was set up by Hoody, the intention probably wasn't to kill Jay, it was to lure out Alex and/or to try to get Jay/Tim to capture him.


I'm beginning to think less and less that hoodie has a "side" to be on, at least when it comes to Jay and Alex. A couple of pages back I made the assertion that Hoodie let Alex free himself by giving him that exacto-knife (The one that Jay found) around the time that Tim was wandering the campus and Jay was on his way.

I'm starting to see Hoodie as more of an independent. I think he's striving more towards his own goals, and I think he's doing so by manipulating not only Jay, but also Alex.

I'm also seeing The Operator as less of a mastermind and more of a pawn. I think his actions, if one were to better understand his nature and motives, may be extremely predictable, which puts several people (Alex or Hoodie, specifically) in a prime position to exploit that to their own ends. That being said, I think that Hoodie is a more likely candidate, seeing as he has been able to manipulate Jay and Tim through wits and guile and Alex through force. I think that, while TO is definitely the most horrifying thing out there, Hoodie is really the one to watch out for.

Unfortunately, all of this is just speculation, and I'm afraid that's all we'll be able to do until we get a couple more answers. I think the next couple of entries will be way more enlightening than this one.

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AbyssalRook wrote:
I think that, while TO is definitely the most horrifying thing out there, Hoodie is really the one to watch out for.


Hoody definitely has stepped it up the last two entries, that's for sure. I'm genuinely scared of whoever it is now and that's because they've shattered any trust they had built up, showing they really are as unpredictable and creepy as they first appear.

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