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AbyssalRook
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ToTheFading wrote:
AbyssalRook wrote:


....I dunno. The narrator should never lie to the audience. I think they're above doing something like that OOG.


This is kind of a non-point, the unreliable narrator is a well established and well used technique within story telling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator


OOG: I know that the unreliable narrator is a thing. Jay is an unreliable narrator. But there are several reasons that I don't think Tim would post the videos as Jay.

1) There is absolutely no reason for him to do so. Anyone involved in the events already knew what had happened. That means he would have only been lying to us.

2) If he were going to lie to us about something, the only thing pretending Jay was still alive would do would be to convince us that Jay was still alive. If that were the case, why would he post the videos at all? What was he going to do, just not show 80? And if so, then showing 80 completely invalidated even bothering to hide it at all.

3) If he wanted to show the events and not reveal that it was him posting them, he could have done so without commenting on the video. The only text we needed to see would be the entry number. Also, if he had all the footage prepared at once, why would he spread out posting it over two entries?

In short, having him take the videos, edit them as if he were Jay, and post them himself over several different entries would lead to only one end, and that's building dramatic tension for the climax of Entry 80. I think the entries were shot and posted this way because of entirely OOG reasons. I can't see any reason for them to throw in a twist like "Tim posted Entries 79 and 80!" because all that would rise from it is a resounding "...So?"

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 		I'd like to point out that we have never seen time travel backwards in this series. It has sped up on a few occasions, but that was exclusively from day to night. It does seem to be in the operators power to fast forward time to an hour more it's liking.

With that said I don't think the future Jay hoody is a good possibility. Though there is a small possibility, so I'm not going to fight tooth and nail to disprove it.


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I also really, really, really think Trosephim are above that. They stated a few times in interviews that they think "super big twists" are lazy writing, and they would never stoop to that level (or at least alex did).


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 		I don't believe Hoody is future Jay. However, after reading a post by Mr Digsby about the bullet casing and blood in the skin from Entry 16 (please clarify if it was the right entry number) in Brian's house may have been from Jay who got sent to the past.

I believe that future Jay may be Totheark, not Hoody.

If that turns out not to be true, I'm fine with that. I personally believe that Hoody is someone else (Brian or Seth?).

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AbyssalRook
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 		The more I look at this future Jay thing, the more points that come up that it could fit into. And let me reiterate that just because something hasn't been overtly shown to happen consistently in a universe, it does NOT mean that it can not happen. Besides, it could be argued that Tim went back in time a little bit when he went to The Operating Room and came out relatively close to his car.

But I do think it's a bit too off flavor for this series. Tim's experience could be explained by teleportation, and the bullet casing is NOT explained by Jay arriving in Brian's house. That was a CASING, which would have stayed with the gun and would have been something that ALEX has, not Jay. I really don't think it's future Jay, but I'm not willing to count the idea out 100%. Just about....70% or so.

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 		well, I think we have analyzed the crap out of this entry and now we are getting latecomers that are starting to repeat things because they haven't read the whole thread yet. Anyway, hoping the next entry is just as good, if so. See you all then!

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also Troy and Co seriously could have waited one more week for finals to be over. So much catching up to do now


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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
I don't know if anyone's mentioned anything about this, so apologies if I just missed it.

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I think at this point we can say that Alex is gone. He's killed before, we know that, we've seen it. But this time was so different. There was no explaining, no apologizing, no yelling. He just looked at his former friend, raised his arm and shot him. I think any chance that Alex could have been redeemed is now gone. I don't know if there's any of Alex left in him anymore.

I'm angry at Alex and I don't want to be. He's a victim, same as Jay and Tim and Brian and Seth and Jessica and Amy. He just looked..empty I guess is a good word. Whatever happens now, I think Alex needs to die. I just don't see any other ending for him, because even if he does come back to himself and break TO's control over him, how do you live with murdering an innocent bystander, leading your girlfriend's roommate to her demise and coldbloodedly shooting your friend?

Now I'm rambling because I haven't slept because I'm too full of feels and I'm gonna stop now.

I think that was already pretty much established at this point. Smile
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 		How the final entry will be:



I am so sorry...

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censura_umbra wrote:
well, I think we have analyzed the crap out of this entry and now we are getting latecomers that are starting to repeat things because they haven't read the whole thread yet. Anyway, hoping the next entry is just as good, if so. See you all then!

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also Troy and Co seriously could have waited one more week for finals to be over. So much catching up to do now


Well, I too see the very same post coming up again and again, but still I have one major question I'd like to hear opinions on: What did we saw in #80?
Have we seen Hoodys plan finally coming to fruition and he now is only one step away from the ark, or have we seen a major screw-up happening, and Alex was not supposed to shoot Jay. Does Hoody even has plan?

I believe there or reasons for all interpretations, and instead of arguing about future Jay, I'd like to see some discussion about that.

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Ascalondion wrote:
Well, I too see the very same post coming up again and again, but still I have one major question I'd like to hear opinions on: What did we saw in #80?
Have we seen Hoodys plan finally coming to fruition and he now is only one step away from the ark, or have we seen a major screw-up happening, and Alex was not supposed to shoot Jay. Does Hoody even has plan?

I believe there or reasons for all interpretations, and instead of arguing about future Jay, I'd like to see some discussion about that.


AbyssalRook wrote:
Ok, I typed up a long, detailed synopsis of how I think everyone moved during 79 and 80, and then unfiction decided that it didn't want me to be logged in anymore and erased my entire post, so I'm gonna try typing it up again.

Someone let Alex out and gave him a gun, and I think it was Hoodie. The exacto-knife wasn't left there as a weapon for Jay to use to defend himself, it was left there by Hoodie, along with a pistol, for Alex to use to escape, as well as a note directing him to Benedict Hall, along with possibly a key. Alex cut himself free with the knife, then dropped it, and took the pistol and the key with him. I think Tim saw him leave the basement area, and tracked to the Hall, but found it locked from the inside. He tried to get a hold of a key, leaving his camera behind so as not to arouse suspicion, but failed, then went back to the basement area.

By that point, Hoodie had gone back there and replaced the note he left Alex with a note for Tim and/or Jay, and he may have moved the knife to make it more easily visible, and he also probably plastered those pictures on the wall at the same time. Hoodie was using the locked door at the top of the stairs to get down there, and locking it behind him every time he left, making Alex use the other exit. The last time he left, after placing the note for Tim and Jay, he left it unlocked and Tim used it to leave.

While Jay and Tim were in the basement, either Hoodie went and unlocked the door to Benedict Hall with his own key, or Alex unlocked it from inside. Tim thought that it was Alex who was following him, so when he heard the chair fall he sprinted for the top of the stairs, finding the door and another exit. Thinking Alex had left Benedict Hall, he then went to the hall to investigate, locking it behind himself so he wouldn't be followed, or he'd at least buy himself a few seconds in which he could set up an ambush.

After a while, he found that Alex wasn't coming after him, so he took his time to investigate. Eventually, I think there was a confrontation. I believe it was with Alex, and the Operator may or may not have been involved. Either way, Tim escaped and ran. Jay spotted him, but as he ran downstairs he missed Alex giving chase. Tim escaped, and as Jay was in Benedict Hall, Alex returned and the climax of Entry #80 happened. Alex broke into the room and picked up the camera. I bet he watched what was on it, then shut it off and left it where it was, possibly to preserve the battery life for Tim to find

A while later, Tim returns, either by his own volition to get another look, or after finding a note from Hoodie, or after possibly finding Jay's car. Or a combination of the last two (Hoodie left a note on Jay's car). He finds the camera, sees what happens, and then sees Hoodie and chases him out of Benedict Hall.

If I'm right about all of this, then there are a few things that this implies.

1) Hoodie has been driving a confrontation between Jay and Alex, and has been manipulating both of them to make sure it happens.

2) Alex, having watched the footage on Jay's camera, now knows for SURE that Hoodie has been doing just that, as he probably saw the footage of Jay's release, and he definitely saw Jay find the room that he'd been trapped in, with the note left to come and find him.

3) Hoodie obviously wanted to be seen. The only reason I can think of where Hoodie has overtly chosen to be seen is so that he could lead the one who found him somewhere, and in this case he led Tim out of Benedict Hall. It's possible that Alex left the camera there and conserved the battery life so that Tim would find it and be able to watch what was on it. He would see that Jay was taken, and begin frantically searching for him. Alex could have been hiding deeper in Benedict Hall, waiting to spring out and take Tim out as well, but Hoodie intervened and pulled Tim out, stopping that encounter from happening.

Now, all of this is just speculation, but I think the main thing that I want to stress is that I think that Hoodie released Alex, rather than Alex escaping on his own, to drive the confrontation between Alex and Jay. Hoodie could have even intervened when Tim and Alex met in Benedict Hall the first time.


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 		Before I go here is a screenshot of Hoody peeking around the corner in this entry.



http://imgur.com/VCkN4jr

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Ristar wrote:
How the final entry will be:



I am so sorry...


I feel that way right now actually. If I were Tim I would want this over now. I would just stop looking for answers, and kill the two. Fuck whoever Hoody is. You can find out when he's dead.

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 		I personally speculate that Hoody's going to finally try and make contact and amends with Tim, as now that Jay's out of the picture Hoody needs someone who can take him to the ark. So Tim (maybe the two of them) will go to the ark (going with my earlier theory that the ark is the place the Operator takes people to) and see if anyone is salvageable. He will then go and kill Alex. In the process of all this, we will get so many hints as to who Hoody is that we won't even need to see what he looks like under his mask, though I won't rule out directly taking his mask off on-screen either.

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 		I see a lot of people suggesting that if Hoody is Future Jay, he doesn't talk to himself because of paradoxes. BS. First of all, just by being in the same place as his past self, he's causing a paradox. Secondly, why would Future Jay care about not messing up time? I highly doubt he was given a guidebook to treating time correctly. Most likely, he got messed up in TO's realm, then sent back in time with his mind a bit scrambled, then that was that.

Most importantly, if time travel was used in MH, it'd have to be kept as simple as possible. MH is a mystery/horror. Throw sci-fi in there this late and people are going to be understandably uncomfortable. So no paradoxs or time travel rules or anything complex - even a time duplicate from going back in time is pushing it.

As for why Jay wouldn't talk to a past version of himself, well, what's he going to say? "Alright, I'll explain, I'm you from the future. Now let's hatch a plan"? Might not sound that bad but it's not something I imagine Jay saying. Even with the changes he goes through, Jay once had a pretty ordinary and calm state of mind and I think that's somewhat remained with him, as part of who he is, even if it's a bit warped because of paranoia now. If he was looking at himself from the past, he'd have no idea what to say. He'd have no idea if saying anything would even be right, due to how outright weird it is. But leading himself to clues that will help, might just be enough for him to handle.

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Ascalondion wrote:

Well, I too see the very same post coming up again and again, but still I have one major question I'd like to hear opinions on: What did we saw in #80?
Have we seen Hoodys plan finally coming to fruition and he now is only one step away from the ark, or have we seen a major screw-up happening, and Alex was not supposed to shoot Jay. Does Hoody even has plan?

I believe there or reasons for all interpretations, and instead of arguing about future Jay, I'd like to see some discussion about that.


Maybe this was Hoody's plan:

He would leave Alex tied up in Benedict Hall until Jay or Tim found a way inside. Eventually, one of the two would find Alex and begin interrogating him someway, reminiscent to Entry #67 (Find Alex). During this, there would be a lot of distress and angry between Jay/Tim and Alex, which would attract The Operator and cause an attack, possibly ending up with someone being taken away (Find the Ark).

Yet, inbetween Jay following Tim around and them getting inside Benedict Hall, Alex became free. Whether he freed himself, or Hoody left a knife/key and Alex's gun on purpose, we don't know. Tim was seen running from the building, probably because he seen Alex walking around with his gun. Jay, instead of running after Tim, decided to go inside and see what made Tim flee as he did because of Hoody's note in that basement. Eventually, Alex found Jay and shot him (Find Alex, in a way), causing Jay a great deal of distress. The Operator made his appearance because of this and took Jay away to... wherever (Find the Ark, in a dark/sick way).

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 		Hi
So! The theory about the future Jay makes me puke. I wholeheartedly agree with Ascalondion's long post. And Hoody making a stable time-loop (Jay being shot and thus future Jay being born) is impossible because if Jay needs to be shot for future Jay to even come to existence, how is it possible for future Jay to create such conditions for Jay to get shot if the future Jay doesn't exist in the first place? He was born after Jay was shot so... how come he could have made sure that present time Jay will get shot if he wasn't born yet?
But I still like the idea that Hoody let Alex free and wanted Jay and Alex to meet in Benedict hall, so he knew that Jay will probably get shot. This is pure speculation/guessing but one idea that crossed my mind is that maybe The Operator needs to be 'fed' (not literally, I think) a certain number of people, that's why Alex is sacrificing his ex friends to TO (unwillingly, as he seems more of a husk than a human right now). And maybe there's a cycle when TO is 'fed' enough sacrifices, he leaves our world alone for a time and than finds another group of people to fuck with. Hoody knows more about the situation it seems than anyone else in the series (except maybe Alex), us included, so maybe he knows about this and as a consequence he facilitated Jay's sacrifice in Benedict hall. He's trying just to save his ass from TO. BUT! That theory is illogical if we look how Hoody and others behaved earlier in the series.
That's it and bye bye Razz

P.S. I'm not a native English speaker and I lack vocabulary and my sentence structure in horrible but I think you understand what I mean.

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