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[VIDEO] Entry #80
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TheManPF
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I don't get it, the more I watch the entry, the more I wonder where the hell did Alex come from.

He just blatantly appeared out of nowhere with the gun from behind Jay, and shot him.

Where was Alex hiding? Was he even in Benedict Hall at the time?

At around 2:30 (when Jay is inside the darkroom), Jay hears footsteps coming from upstairs, which makes me think that Alex was outside Benedict Hall in that moment.

Alex enters Benedict Hall and realizes there's someone there, when Jay goes to look for whoever was making the noise, he sees nobody, but he doesn't check upstairs (maybe Alex was hiding there).

Then, Alex just waits till Jay turns his back, having no way to escape, and appears from behind him with the gun.

If all of this is true, then why was Alex outside? Was he in Benedict Hall in the first place? What/who was Tim running from?

Also, I saw someone (can't remember who) mentioning why Jay didn't see Tim enter Benedict Hall, I agree with the theory that Tim actually went to that basement in #79 to look for another way to get therel, how he managed to open the door from inside is beyond me though

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those bloody handprints on the wall make sense if Alex cut himself free from being tied up with that x-acto knife, maybe he cut himself a bit while doing so.

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Has anyone an explanation for why Tim returned to the basement at the end of this Entry?
And why might he have so easily deduce Jay's fate? He may have been searching for Jay, but a glance into every room would hardly have drawn his attention to the camera and a bloody handprint on the floor.

In his typed closing message, Tim says that he anticipated Jay to do something reckless. But could he have also predicted precisely what would happen?

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Marble Hornets
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Sha Noran wrote:
Master of Octopi wrote:
My opinion on the whole "Hoody is Jay from the Future!" theory: I don't like it. It's sloppy, has no precedent, feels entirely out of place, would require far too much exposition, and just genuinely doesn't make sense. To shoehorn time travel into something like this is just... I don't want to say "stupid," but I'm having trouble finding a more appropriate adjective. For those who have proposed the Operator's ability to distort time as a vehicle for time travel: changing a subject's perception of time is not time travel. Else, every time you sleep without dreaming, you're time travelling! After all, you wake up in the future. Clocks lose approximately 100 nanoseconds every 70 years if elevated one foot above another clock. This is not time travel, it is relativity; a different perspective of time is not equivalent to traveling through it. This is all the Operator has been depicted doing; teleportation and altering perception of time. Not bashing anyone here, just proposing a counter argument. If those who prescribe to the theory are still inclined to do so, provide evidence that it is possible within the context of the series, and I will concede the point. Until then, I'm forced to treat it as a case of groupthink.

On Jay's fate: Who's to say that Jay is still wherever it is the Operator sends his/her/its victims? Tim was thrown in there in Entry #65, and managed to claw his way out. In fact, he was spat back out close to his car. Also recall that he was dragged through that place for a portion of his nightmarish stay there. (I'm going to use technological terms for illustrative purposes in the following idea to make the concept easier to grasp). Perhaps the Operator nabbed Jay and... uploaded him, in a sense, to his cloud server (the OperatorVerse). Then he downloaded him to another location where he could receive medical attention, like near a hospital or a back alley doctor who won't question him about bullet wounds? We could still go a while without seeing Jay, because the Operator stripped him of his precious camera, but Jay could still be alive. (Seems weird and unceremonious to compare the Operator to a DropBox user, but it's the closest analogy I could come up with).


Wow. You just claimed it was illogical and unprecedented for backwards time travel to happen and therefore unlikely, then immediately suggested that The Operator teleported Jay to a hospital to get help? ROFL you gotta be fucking kidding me bro.

All you guys saying that just because they've shown forward time travel doesn't mean backwards is possible sound pretty ridiculous in my opinion, no offense. We're talking about a show with a 8 foot+ faceless teleporting suit wearing monster who can abducted people into a pocket dimension that has a PRECEDENT of manipulating time itself and yet you argue with complete sincerity that just because they haven't shown backwards time travel, its not possible. Sorry, but that makes you sound pretty dumb haha, if you wanna argue the merits of a theory you should come up with some counter evidence, not just toss out a "meh I don't like that idea, so its probably wrong". Fuckin unfiction logic is baffling... I mean no offense, but damn.


Using your thought process, literally anything is possible because we have elements that are alien to humans. By your logic, the operator can whip a cake out of his back pocket and throw it at a camera if he wants. We have never seen the operator melt into the ground and travel around in puddle form, but using your logic it is still possible. We've never seen Alex lick the operators face in an attempt to make out, by your logic that doesn't mean it has not happened. That's the completely wrong approach to take. It's not "unfiction logic," it's rationality

If backwards time travel was possible, there would have been AT LEAST ONE INSTANCE OF IT IN OVER SIX YEARS OF FILMED FOOTAGE. At some point, someone would find themselves in a previous time era and warn jay or tim about future situations. Whereas we've seen forward time travel over 5 times now.

Who is to say he is manipulating time anyway? It's more likely that he's warping people to a pocket dimension and then warping them back later after time has passed, but since time doesn't exist in this pocket dimension, and because he can fuck with cameras, it appears instantaneous to us. If he chose to "pause" a camera, warp Jay somewhere, and then "unpause it" after warping him back hours later, it would give the effect that jay is time traveling into the future. Jay wouldn't remember his instance in the other dimension bc the camera was affected to not pick up that footage, and his memory would be lost so he wouldn't be able to recall it

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operated9 wrote:
Has anyone an explanation for why Tim returned to the basement at the end of this Entry?
Maybe he saw Entry 79 and knew Jay would have seen him exit from his vantage point so he ran back to get him out because of whatever reason he ran away.

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I assumed he either heard the gun shot or saw Jay's car and knew he was there

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Most likely answer is he went home and saw Jay wasn't there and figured he must have gone to the school.

Big problem is that if Tim uploaded entry 69, why wait to upload 70? If Jay uploaded 69, why would Tim come back days later and not right away, and if he came back right away that same day, why wait to post this video?

I think OOG times have to be ignored in this regard

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Most likely answer is he went home and saw Jay wasn't there and figured he must have gone to the school.

Big problem is that if Tim uploaded entry 69, why wait to upload 70? If Jay uploaded 69, why would Tim come back days later and not right away, and if he came back right away that same day, why wait to post this video?

I think OOG times have to be ignored in this regard

Did a whole-series rewatch over this weekend to gear up for what looks to be the final stretch, and yeah, these entries make far, far more sense if you watch them back to back and don't think about the OOG time that has elapsed between them. In fact, that's been increasingly the case as the series has progressed, what with the OOG lives of the participants becoming more and more complicated (as happens when you're at their time of life) and filming schedules have become more attenuated.

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Master of Octopi
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Neroslol wrote:


Just out of curiousity, between the events of 79 & 80 does anyone have an idea on where hoody was in between seeing/attacking Jay in that corridor, to seeing Tim after
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Jay got abducted?
was he hiding some where close? Did he do something else in the meantime? Im probably thinking into this a bit too much but im just wondering if maybe someone has some input on this.


I didn't get the sense that all that much time has elapsed. Jay was sitting in close to the exact same position he was in at the close of Entry #79. The only real difference is the camera's position and the time of day. I feel like it was the afternoon after the events of #79. Maybe the day after that, but if Jay really was watching the building for the entirety of the time, I don't think he could manage to do so without sleeping (which could explain how Tim managed to get into the building without Jay spotting him) for two days straight. (I suffer from severe insomnia, and even I will shut down completely after about forty hours straight). Plus, I mean, Jay didn't even have any food or anything that I could see (though that doesn't mean he didn't have any) and bathroom breaks and whatnot are definitely a necessity as well. Sort of got sidetracked there trying to justify Tim getting into the building without Jay noticing, but, yeah, on to Hoody.

Assuming that Jay only kept his vigil for twelve to forty-eight hours (which I think is reasonable, though I could be wrong), I think Hoody spent much of that time tracking down Tim and/or Alex. I think Hoody watched Entry #79, or just followed Jay until he sat down to stand guard (which sounds like a bad eighties buddy cop movie) and began corralling the other parties into place. Maybe he spoke to Tim and brought him in on his plan, maybe he played cat-and-mouse with him to lead him into position-- either way, he got Tim in place. Then he goaded Alex into where he wanted him to be (or he did it in the other order). Then he sat back and watched the chaos unfold, until he rubbernecked around the corner to creep Tim out.

Or, you know, he went through his own footage until he got enough creepy shots and scoured the Intertubes until he found some creepy audio and made "Quadrant."

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Huh. Rewatching the entry, I wonder if Alex didn't set the camera down on top of the bloody handprint after turning it off. It looked like Tim turned it on as he's picking it up, and then says "No" when his flashlight illuminates the handprint. It would make more sense for him to see that and the camera and put two and two together than him watching the recording right there in the dark room and then restarting the camera in time to catch his reaction. It would also put yet another spin on "How do hands talk?"

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To people asking how Tim could have gotten inside the building, or why Alex was outside, back on page 17 I posted a synopsis that answers all of those questions.

My only amendment to it so far is that I think Tim, after leaving Benedict Hall, went back down to the basement area and possibly opened and explored the manhole. I think this mainly because when we see Tim leave Benedict Hall, he doesn't run to his car, he runs in the opposite direction, back towards the basement area. He may not have even known that Jay had been there before he picked that camera up, and he had just come back later to investigate further.

As for the time reference, I believe 79 and 80 were only separated by a couple of hours at most, just long enough for Jay to "upload" 79, and maybe a little longer. I don't think we can take the OOG time between individual entries to heart.

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Sha Noran wrote:
All you guys saying that just because they've shown forward time travel doesn't mean backwards is possible sound pretty ridiculous in my opinion, no offense. We're talking about a show with a 8 foot+ faceless teleporting suit wearing monster who can abducted people into a pocket dimension that has a PRECEDENT of manipulating time itself and yet you argue with complete sincerity that just because they haven't shown backwards time travel, its not possible. Sorry, but that makes you sound pretty dumb haha, if you wanna argue the merits of a theory you should come up with some counter evidence, not just toss out a "meh I don't like that idea, so its probably wrong". Fuckin unfiction logic is baffling... I mean no offense, but damn.


Inferring that backward time travel is happening because forward time travel is also happening is false logic equality, as you are asserting that they are the same thing. They are not. We still need a specific prior example to consider it.

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Never doubt Hoody.

never doubt the worm
never doubt the worm


(Sorry, I had to.)

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AbyssalRook wrote:
As for the time reference, I believe 79 and 80 were only separated by a couple of hours at most, just long enough for Jay to "upload" 79, and maybe a little longer. I don't think we can take the OOG time between individual entries to heart.


Yeah, I second that. As for the time between 79 and 80, well, if you just saw a video of someone that you considered a friend being shot by someone that you were at least friendly with before being vanished by some entity that's been chasing you for most of your life, wouldn't you need a little time to process that before you would think to upload it to the internet?
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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
AbyssalRook wrote:
As for the time reference, I believe 79 and 80 were only separated by a couple of hours at most, just long enough for Jay to "upload" 79, and maybe a little longer. I don't think we can take the OOG time between individual entries to heart.


Yeah, I second that. As for the time between 79 and 80, well, if you just saw a video of someone that you considered a friend being shot by someone that you were at least friendly with before being vanished by some entity that's been chasing you for most of your life, wouldn't you need a little time to process that before you would think to upload it to the internet?


Yeah, but at the same time that brings up the question of why it took Jay 2 weeks to follow Tim to the school, or why if it took Hoody 2 weeks to get to the house and let Jay loose, why he wasn't dead from starvation and dehydration. I think it's best to ignore the OOG time between Entries at this point unless it's brought up in the entry itself.

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