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What actually is the ark.
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gennerx wrote:
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Given the biblical connotations of "ark" (i.e. ark of the covenant), it may not exactly be a "thing". Finding the ark might refer to some sort of relationship TTA is seeking with the Operator...


But everyone on here has declared that the bible stuff is irrelevant because the Operator is made of science and that belief in any deity is bad because it detracts from the glory of science. Hail science, for it is right to give it thanks and praise.

Seriously though, we've been wrong with virtually every theory we've ever come up with regarding anything in the show, so I doubt it's anything we've hypothesized.


....but the ark is an actual thing in the Bible. It's a big fancy box to hold the ten commandments and other relics. So that makes no sense to begin with.


Nah, I just meant how some people think the show uses complex quantum theories and science jargon and other mathematic mumbo jumbo and that they think the Operator was created in a laboratory instead from the depths of Sheol from where whence came.

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Serum wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Serum wrote:
Camero wrote:
Given the biblical connotations of "ark" (i.e. ark of the covenant), it may not exactly be a "thing". Finding the ark might refer to some sort of relationship TTA is seeking with the Operator...


But everyone on here has declared that the bible stuff is irrelevant because the Operator is made of science and that belief in any deity is bad because it detracts from the glory of science. Hail science, for it is right to give it thanks and praise.

Seriously though, we've been wrong with virtually every theory we've ever come up with regarding anything in the show, so I doubt it's anything we've hypothesized.


....but the ark is an actual thing in the Bible. It's a big fancy box to hold the ten commandments and other relics. So that makes no sense to begin with.


Nah, I just meant how some people think the show uses complex quantum theories and science jargon and other mathematic mumbo jumbo and that they think the Operator was created in a laboratory instead from the depths of Sheol from where whence came.


I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was referring to Camero's post that the ark may not be a "thing".

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gennerx wrote:
Serum wrote:
Camero wrote:
Given the biblical connotations of "ark" (i.e. ark of the covenant), it may not exactly be a "thing". Finding the ark might refer to some sort of relationship TTA is seeking with the Operator...


But everyone on here has declared that the bible stuff is irrelevant because the Operator is made of science and that belief in any deity is bad because it detracts from the glory of science. Hail science, for it is right to give it thanks and praise.

Seriously though, we've been wrong with virtually every theory we've ever come up with regarding anything in the show, so I doubt it's anything we've hypothesized.


....but the ark is an actual thing in the Bible. It's a big fancy box to hold the ten commandments and other relics. So that makes no sense to begin with.


It's also a big old boat. Obviously the way to kill The Operator is to hit him with a yacht.
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 		Forgive me if I'm covering already-explored territory here:

From Wiktionary:

ark (plural arks)
A large box with a flat lid.
(Judaism, Christianity, Islam) The ship built by Noah to save his family and a collection of animals from the deluge.
Something affording protection; safety, shelter, refuge
A spacious type of boat with a flat bottom.
(Judaism) A consecrated container.

I think the third definition is the key.

Is the Ark merely a safe place or refuge where the Operator cannot reach you? Have we seen any evidence through the series of such a thing? A place that Oppy can't go?

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 		I was being facetious, I wasn't referring to the poster's post, I was pointing fingers at the people who, in general, typically say the Operator and all the crazy stuff about him can be explained by science instead of mysticism or occult black magic or evil spirits etc...

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Serum wrote:
I was being facetious, I wasn't referring to the poster's post, I was pointing fingers at the people who, in general, typically say the Operator and all the crazy stuff about him can be explained by science instead of mysticism or occult black magic or evil spirits etc...


There isn't any evidence either way, so pointing fingers does nothing.

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PsychoHippie wrote:
Forgive me if I'm covering already-explored territory here:

From Wiktionary:

ark (plural arks)
A large box with a flat lid.
(Judaism, Christianity, Islam) The ship built by Noah to save his family and a collection of animals from the deluge.
Something affording protection; safety, shelter, refuge
A spacious type of boat with a flat bottom.
(Judaism) A consecrated container.

I think the third definition is the key.

Is the Ark merely a safe place or refuge where the Operator cannot reach you? Have we seen any evidence through the series of such a thing? A place that Oppy can't go?


It's worth keeping in mind is that Noah's ark was originally supposed to save the humans and animals from a flood that was sent to earth to wipe out the humans in order to cleanse the earth of sin. TTA is strongly associated with water in his videos. If we took the biblical allusion as a strong one, it's possible that TTA would want to rid the world of TO and those blighted by its presence through some sort of metaphorical flood that kills lots of people just to wipe TO's presence off the earth, and needs an ark to survive that flood. If that were the case, it would actually make TTA a primary antagonist (along with TO), a villain who shares the goal of ridding the earth of TO but wants to use brutal means to do so. I am highly doubtful that this is how things will unfold, though.

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Glubb wrote:
PsychoHippie wrote:
Forgive me if I'm covering already-explored territory here:

From Wiktionary:

ark (plural arks)
A large box with a flat lid.
(Judaism, Christianity, Islam) The ship built by Noah to save his family and a collection of animals from the deluge.
Something affording protection; safety, shelter, refuge
A spacious type of boat with a flat bottom.
(Judaism) A consecrated container.

I think the third definition is the key.

Is the Ark merely a safe place or refuge where the Operator cannot reach you? Have we seen any evidence through the series of such a thing? A place that Oppy can't go?


It's worth keeping in mind is that Noah's ark was originally supposed to save the humans and animals from a flood that was sent to earth to wipe out the humans in order to cleanse the earth of sin. TTA is strongly associated with water in his videos. If we took the biblical allusion as a strong one, it's possible that TTA would want to rid the world of TO and those blighted by its presence through some sort of metaphorical flood that kills lots of people just to wipe TO's presence off the earth, and needs an ark to survive that flood. If that were the case, it would actually make TTA a primary antagonist (along with TO), a villain who shares the goal of ridding the earth of TO but wants to use brutal means to do so. I am highly doubtful that this is how things will unfold, though.


Given the resemblance with Noah's ark it leaves open the question, why does finding the ark (i.e. the device to survive the flood) involes finding Alex (i.e. the main "puppet" of the very thing you want to kill by flooding.)

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 		They might be separate goals of totheark. Surely he wants to kill Alex, in the context of this theory it might be part of his metaphorical "flood" to rid the world of those involved with the Operator, but all we know about finding the ark itself is that Jay has to find it.

It's possible nothing is particularly spectacular about Jay, but that someone just needs to find the ark first besides totheark himself in order for totheark to get there. I find this an especially relevant theory with totheark having recently led Jay to get shot. If being mortally wounded is necessary to get to the ark, it makes sense totheark would want someone to do this for him.

Perhaps totheark put some tracking chip in Jay after Entry #18 or something, and that's how he always knows where he is. Maybe he wanted Jay in the ark so he could attempt to track it down. I mean you'd kinda think Jay would notice if he had a chip on him but I'm just thinking something along those lines that let's totheark track Jay, and would let him get into the ark.
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 		I think I mentioned somewhere that ToTheArk might be homing in on Jay's location to find the Ark, and I still like the idea.

As to the reason he needed Jay to do it and not somebody else: I think he just used whomever was involved, but farthest away from the source. Jay had been hovering around the edges of the whole affair, and once it became clear that he was going to continue his involvement in things, I think ToTheArk decided to use him, simply to avoid anyone else getting involved. Rather than rope another stranger into the thick of things, maybe someone who could have done a better job investigating (or someone who wasn't so easy to overpower in a fight), I think he just opted to draw from the existing group. Jay isn't really special (not in a Chosen One sort of way), he was just there. And that strikes me as being particularly sad.

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 		Well, Benedict Hall flooded and a bunch of stuff was ruined - Hoody suggested that the ark was in Benedict Hall... Could the ark be something that survived the flood there? Perhaps a waterproof container holding a very important bit of footage... On a tape...

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Serum wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Serum wrote:
Camero wrote:
Given the biblical connotations of "ark" (i.e. ark of the covenant), it may not exactly be a "thing". Finding the ark might refer to some sort of relationship TTA is seeking with the Operator...


But everyone on here has declared that the bible stuff is irrelevant because the Operator is made of science and that belief in any deity is bad because it detracts from the glory of science. Hail science, for it is right to give it thanks and praise.

Seriously though, we've been wrong with virtually every theory we've ever come up with regarding anything in the show, so I doubt it's anything we've hypothesized.


....but the ark is an actual thing in the Bible. It's a big fancy box to hold the ten commandments and other relics. So that makes no sense to begin with.


Nah, I just meant how some people think the show uses complex quantum theories and science jargon and other mathematic mumbo jumbo and that they think the Operator was created in a laboratory instead from the depths of Sheol from where whence came.


I want to know where these people have spotted mathematical formulas within the show because I have seen no such thing.

Also, the only thing people have been able to predict was what the next entry will be about on surface value (ex: Tim POV, Jay going into Benedict Hall, something is revealed, chest cam footage, etc). Anything deeper gets tossed in the crockpot of theories that the fan base scoops up and says, "hmm pretty good. I'll have another."

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 		The more I think about it the more I think the Ark is an object that's in/under/whatever Benedict Hall. Think about what the common thought is when you hear "Ark"

-Noah's Ark

In Entry 81, the groundskeeper that Tim talked to said that the bottom of Benedict Hall was flooded a few years back.

-Noah's Ark was used because of a massive flood

Then we have the note that says "Find Alex Find the Ark" leading Jay to go into Benedict Hall.

And then we have the constant element of water being presented in the series. So we have a note telling us to go to Benedict Hall, which was flooded, because that's where Alex is and then something about the Ark also being in there.

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Ztakk wrote:
The more I think about it the more I think the Ark is an object that's in/under/whatever Benedict Hall. Think about what the common thought is when you hear "Ark"

-Noah's Ark

In Entry 81, the groundskeeper that Tim talked to said that the bottom of Benedict Hall was flooded a few years back.

-Noah's Ark was used because of a massive flood

Then we have the note that says "Find Alex Find the Ark" leading Jay to go into Benedict Hall.

And then we have the constant element of water being presented in the series. So we have a note telling us to go to Benedict Hall, which was flooded, because that's where Alex is and then something about the Ark also being in there.


I said something along these lines myself. Its a good bet at this point.

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 		Yup, everything is pointing right now at a water-proofed container in the basement of Benedict Hall with (the final?) tape in it.

I wonder though, if TTA knew this from the begining, why would he mess around with Jay and not go for the tape by himself?

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