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[OOG] Entry Quality
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kurthnaga
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Bump for the people in the Entry 81 thread who are constantly debating if the entry is filler or not.

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TheOperator
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Hopefully it won't die again. Also I retract my statement about Entry #74 being good. It was a massive missed opportunity.

Entry #81 I thought was disappointing since there was so much build up but the pay off wasn't exactly riveting to watch. Maybe if Tim had actually been spotted by Alex and had to get away. Glancing at something scary, then running away and coughing a lot stops being scary after a while. Especially since we knew Tim was going to be okay.

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Thanks for resurrecting this; I'd actually forgotten we had this thread.

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LBfly
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I've already said this on the entry 81 thread but it has to be said again in the right thread. In terms of production, this entry was beyond great. The dark scenes, the chair falling, Tim in the tunnels, the gunshot, it was so well done i could barely believe it was three film students recently graduated who made it. It didnt even feel like 15 minutes to me, i got entertained and unnerved, especially when Tim got into the Benedict Hall. I still believe many subtle hints will be uncovered in the next entries, like the flood, Jacob, lack of pills, Hoody running away, Alex being free, etc. But anyway, what i most liked about this entry was the quality, how well it was directed and thought and edited. And of course, Tim Sutton delivered us a great acting, I could feel his despair and tension even though we havent even seen him on camera. I wish people would appreciate more a very well made entry instead of complaining it had no action.

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kurthnaga
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TheOperator wrote:
Hopefully it won't die again. Also I retract my statement about Entry #74 being good. It was a massive missed opportunity.

Entry #81 I thought was disappointing since there was so much build up but the pay off wasn't exactly riveting to watch. Maybe if Tim had actually been spotted by Alex and had to get away. Glancing at something scary, then running away and coughing a lot stops being scary after a while. Especially since we knew Tim was going to be okay.


I understand what you are saying, but I myself believe that the Entry was rather good. We do indeed know Tim would make it out okay, what we didn't know was if he had any secrets he was hiding from Jay, or any malicious intent. The Entry showed us that Tim is trustworthy, at least to a point, and I believe that itself made the entry good.

On your comment about the build up, I believe that the build up culminates quite well if you watch the two entries side by side that LedZep made - the link is somewhere in the Entry 81 thread - alone, yes, the entry seems lackluster in tension - but if you consider what is happening at the same time, it's rather interesting. I think Trosephin intended for someone to attempt to do this, and that part was rather well done.

I'm going to guess that you aren't a fan of Breaking Bad, based upon your comment about the coughing. I myself cannot enjoy the show because of the amount of time spend with Walt simply coughing. (I understand why, and yes, it is good filmography, I just don't enjoy watching it). However, the coughing has been very vague - we don't really ever know if the coughing is coming from TO, or Alex, and that has always added to the suspense for me - especially because it became a race to get to the pills - and with the blackout, it leaves it open for Tim to go Masky - which of course leaves us waiting in anticipation.

I understand the points you make, but I myself believe the entry was rather well done, and needed after a shocking entry like Entry 80.

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I certainly agree that the entry leads to some interesting thoughts. What will Tim do without the pills, is Tim unable to approach Alex without blacking out, is Hoody in control now, was Masky involved... that's all interesting to think about but watching what leads to those thoughts unfold, wasn't really so interesting. Maybe it'd work if this was a straight mystery series but it's horror and had build up to go along with that. All that time spent crawling through those tunnels deserved to have a great pay off but I wasn't scared by what we got. Intrigued, worried after thinking about it... but not scared. That's my main problem with the entry.

Also I agree, this entry really is an amazing display of effort. It makes me wish I had got more out of it. I really am impressed by how much they put into this entry. Even while I was watching Tim crawl through those tunnels, I was thinking, damn, these guys would do anything for this series. That's why it's a shame we couldn't have gotten a truly scary payoff. But if nothing else, I did get the sense that the guys are still putting a lot of effort and dedication into this series, so plenty of respect to them for that.

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Sure, the entry wasn't really needed, but I found it to be different. He went in the tunnels, which I've never seen before, apart from when Jay went in the maintenance tunnel, but this was different. It felt much more confined and I just found it to be a decent entry. It's a change from a house or a forest.

Since nothing happened in this entry, then the series may last an entry or 2 longer than what we first thought. If this entry revealed Hoody, it WOULD be good, but you need to space big events. This series always has an entry with something big then 1 or maybe 2 entries before another big thing happens. Now, obviously, we are closing in on the series, so I have a feeling this will be the last filler entry.

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Geneaux486
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Filler basically translates to "I didn't like this entry as much as others", so who cares if someone calls an entry filler? Word's thrown around so much it's lost all meaning and was never all that applicable to Marble Hornets in the first place. It's become a way for people to try to pass off their personal issues with any given entry as objective flaws. Don't fall for it.


Fact is that everyone zeroes in on a different aspect of each entry to assign importance to. Someone who cares about plot advancement but not character development will consider certain entries filler, as will others who assign importance to the number of scares but less to plot advancement, as opposed to someone who only cares about Slenderman appearances, and so on. Unless a Marble Hornets entry involves the characters sitting perfectly still and saying nothing to one another, then no, it isn't filler.

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Sha Noran
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LBfly wrote:
I've already said this on the entry 81 thread but it has to be said again in the right thread. In terms of production, this entry was beyond great. The dark scenes, the chair falling, Tim in the tunnels, the gunshot, it was so well done i could barely believe it was three film students recently graduated who made it. It didnt even feel like 15 minutes to me, i got entertained and unnerved, especially when Tim got into the Benedict Hall. I still believe many subtle hints will be uncovered in the next entries, like the flood, Jacob, lack of pills, Hoody running away, Alex being free, etc. But anyway, what i most liked about this entry was the quality, how well it was directed and thought and edited. And of course, Tim Sutton delivered us a great acting, I could feel his despair and tension even though we havent even seen him on camera. I wish people would appreciate more a very well made entry instead of complaining it had no action.


This. QFT

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To be honest, I do think this entry was needed - but not as needed as Entry #76, or Entry #35. It obviously didn't progress the plot but it does give insight of what Tim did when he was at the college. I know that some people say that what happened was already predicted, but please, link me a post that tells exactly what happened during #81 before it came out.

On a slightly unrelated note, I think they're dragging out the answers too much. We were introduced to Hoody almost 2 years ago. I think that it's time for the reveal soon. It's been too long.
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TheOperator
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ledzepfilm wrote:
We were introduced to Hoody almost 2 years ago. I think that it's time for the reveal soon. It's been too long.


Actually it was over 2 and a half years ago, May 2011. I'm going to be baffled as to why they dragged it out that long if the reveal ends up being obvious.

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Sha Noran
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TheOperator wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
We were introduced to Hoody almost 2 years ago. I think that it's time for the reveal soon. It's been too long.


Actually it was over 2 and a half years ago, May 2011. I'm going to be baffled as to why they dragged it out that long if the reveal ends up being obvious.


Because they have you, me, and the rest of us by the balls wondering/speculating/arguing about who it is. You subscribe to the channel and frantically check the new video ASAP in the misguided hope that they reveal it to you. You are eating out of their hand, as are we all. Its called good writing.

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Sha Noran wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
We were introduced to Hoody almost 2 years ago. I think that it's time for the reveal soon. It's been too long.


Actually it was over 2 and a half years ago, May 2011. I'm going to be baffled as to why they dragged it out that long if the reveal ends up being obvious.


Because they have you, me, and the rest of us by the balls wondering/speculating/arguing about who it is. You subscribe to the channel and frantically check the new video ASAP in the misguided hope that they reveal it to you. You are eating out of their hand, as are we all. Its called good writing.


They don't have us by the balls only for Hoody's identity. In the grand scheme of stuff, many of us that are still following the series this long are still following to see what happens next and to see this thing through to the end. Hoody's identity is completely inconsequential in terms of us watching the series.

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The reason people want Hoody's identity is because we all believe that it'll lead us to more answers. Not just one answer, but many answers. If Hoody, hypothetically, was Brian, then that would possibly fill in so many gaps especially if he remembered everything.

Hoody's reveal could possibly answer:
1. What is alex's motivation and why has he gone all Michael Mires?
2. What is Hoody's motivation/Who is he?
3. What is the ark?
4. Whose actually the good guy?
5. Where the hell is everyone and what happened to them?
6.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
What truly happened to Jay?


and the list goes on. However, just because everyone believes that he'll give us more answers doesn't mean we'll get them. We might get one answer, but then give us five more new questions to add the already large number.

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Sha Noran
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JAL13 wrote:
The reason people want Hoody's identity is because we all believe that it'll lead us to more answers. Not just one answer, but many answers. If Hoody, hypothetically, was Brian, then that would possibly fill in so many gaps especially if he remembered everything.

Hoody's reveal could possibly answer:
1. What is alex's motivation and why has he gone all Michael Mires?
2. What is Hoody's motivation/Who is he?
3. What is the ark?
4. Whose actually the good guy?
5. Where the hell is everyone and what happened to them?
6.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
What truly happened to Jay?


and the list goes on. However, just because everyone believes that he'll give us more answers doesn't mean we'll get them. We might get one answer, but then give us five more new questions to add the already large number.


What he said. It isn't about Hoody's identity itself but how that reveal might snowball into a lot of other reveals. This is simultaneously why it hasn't been revealed and why we want to know so badly. You don't lay your aces on the table til everyone's done betting - Trosephim know this.

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