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gennerx
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DHawk314 wrote:
The Operator interferes with technology. He fucks with cameras. It doesn't seem all that out there to me that he could block a phone call in the woods. Especially weird woods with weird shifting geography.

Although speaking of that, I actually don't think that Rosswood shifted, or that the tunnel teleports you, or that Rosswood is anything special. I think the Operator was following Jay and he just teleported him without him noticing. Also, is it not possible that the Operator literally teleported the phone laser signal things? Is that not technically completely within his known set of powers?


Jay reached Tim's voice mail and left a message. He got through. If he really didn't get the message that Voice Mail would have to have been erased. The call wasn't just blocked. TO hasn't shown that degree of control over electronics yet. I still think Tim got the call and the events of that day were wiped from his memory. It's a simpler explanation.

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Osttle wrote:
What was the apologetic/violent switch then?


Well I don't see what that has to do with the missing voice mail. Clearly Jay's eyelids were peeled back and the Operator showed him all the terrible eldritch bullshit in this section of the universe. Or not, we don't know, it's like some mysterious off camera bullshit we'll never know about. I mean, Jay probably wouldn't remember anyway even if he wasn't probably a corpse. All we know is whatever it was, it was terrible. Really bad.
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The call went through. The Operator's camera fuckery corrupts footage; it doesn't retroactively render it unrecorded.

The entry starts with Tim telling us that he's been off his meds for a while - the ones that keep him from wandering around doing things he doesn't remember later. I consider it more likely something interfered with his memory of the day than with his phone.

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Well he's been off hid meds ever since Hoody stole them after Jay got shot. The voicemail he would have gotten before that.

It actually doesn't matter. It's entirely a plot device so that we can see Jay's motivation change without Tim having known before Entry #77 actually happened, coloring everything a bit different. There are plenty of supernatural elements the Operator could have invoked here, technologically or memory wise. None of them are actually the point.
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gennerx wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
The Operator interferes with technology. He fucks with cameras. It doesn't seem all that out there to me that he could block a phone call in the woods. Especially weird woods with weird shifting geography.

Although speaking of that, I actually don't think that Rosswood shifted, or that the tunnel teleports you, or that Rosswood is anything special. I think the Operator was following Jay and he just teleported him without him noticing. Also, is it not possible that the Operator literally teleported the phone laser signal things? Is that not technically completely within his known set of powers?


Jay reached Tim's voice mail and left a message. He got through. If he really didn't get the message that Voice Mail would have to have been erased. The call wasn't just blocked. TO hasn't shown that degree of control over electronics yet. I still think Tim got the call and the events of that day were wiped from his memory. It's a simpler explanation.


I'm actually going to agree more with DHawk on this one. How many times have any of you made a call to someone, and they said that they didn't receive it despite the fact you made the call only to get it later? I know I have. Its even happened with text messaging. However, the other person did receive it eventually when I was in a good area.

Although, I still like to think of Rosswood as a labyrinth of nightmares.

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JAL13 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
The Operator interferes with technology. He fucks with cameras. It doesn't seem all that out there to me that he could block a phone call in the woods. Especially weird woods with weird shifting geography.

Although speaking of that, I actually don't think that Rosswood shifted, or that the tunnel teleports you, or that Rosswood is anything special. I think the Operator was following Jay and he just teleported him without him noticing. Also, is it not possible that the Operator literally teleported the phone laser signal things? Is that not technically completely within his known set of powers?


Jay reached Tim's voice mail and left a message. He got through. If he really didn't get the message that Voice Mail would have to have been erased. The call wasn't just blocked. TO hasn't shown that degree of control over electronics yet. I still think Tim got the call and the events of that day were wiped from his memory. It's a simpler explanation.


I'm actually going to agree more with DHawk on this one. How many times have any of you made a call to someone, and they said that they didn't receive it despite the fact you made the call only to get it later? I know I have. Its even happened with text messaging. However, the other person did receive it eventually when I was in a good area.

Although, I still like to think of Rosswood as a labyrinth of nightmares.


Text messages are more vulnerable to that kind of problem. It goes direct to the phone. If it can't reach the phone it keeps retransmitting until it does. A VM goes to a collocated answering machine. The fact that Jay got the automated voice of the VM means his call got through to the VM. His call was not blocked.

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The entry also brings up the old "Jay is an unreliable narrator" possibility again. I meant TO "got" him in Seasons 1 & 2 as well. Maybe TO has had a greater influence than we think...

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I don't want to derail this into the whole "Future Jay" thing, but I have to admit...

time travel would sort of explain the phonecall. The Operator could have mind-screwed Jay and then sent him back in time to before he made the call.

Alternatively the teleporting could sort of account for it. Jay may have been in some sort of a slenderverse version of the park, or...no that's too crazy.

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Couldn't read every page at this point so forgive me if I'm repeating things.

I don't see what's so hard to believe about Jay placing the call from ahead in time. We've been given sufficient evidence that time travel is possible as a result of the Operator's influence - mainly in Entry #72, when Jay and Tim walk into a basement and it's suddenly night.

The idea that the message will be received later on is extremely interesting, mainly because it makes Alex's call from within the tunnel more ominous; when is he contacting them from? I feel like, as long as they don't screw with the time concept too much OOG, then the inclusion of a time distortion would be a lot of fun to see played out.

Also, if the tunnel is some kind of "time tunnel", then Jessica stepping through it on Tim's tape might suggest that she might have jumped into a different point in time too. This coupled with the constantly-shifting geography of Rosswood will make for a really interesting next few entries.
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evanx275h wrote:
Couldn't read every page at this point so forgive me if I'm repeating things.

I don't see what's so hard to believe about Jay placing the call from ahead in time. We've been given sufficient evidence that time travel is possible as a result of the Operator's influence - mainly in Entry #72, when Jay and Tim walk into a basement and it's suddenly night.

The idea that the message will be received later on is extremely interesting, mainly because it makes Alex's call from within the tunnel more ominous; when is he contacting them from? I feel like, as long as they don't screw with the time concept too much OOG, then the inclusion of a time distortion would be a lot of fun to see played out.

Also, if the tunnel is some kind of "time tunnel", then Jessica stepping through it on Tim's tape might suggest that she might have jumped into a different point in time too. This coupled with the constantly-shifting geography of Rosswood will make for a really interesting next few entries.


If this is true that means Jay jumped to the future which means he would still be alive on the day when Tim finally gets that message.

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The ironic thing is that this entry proves beyond a shred of a doubt that Tim was completely wrong to keep that tape from Jay. Jay actually did realize what Tim's reasoning for hiding it was. If Tim had just shown Jay the tape when he first found it, this whole thing wouldn't have happened, and Jay would still be alive now.

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The Condor wrote:
I've noticed the hill around the tunnel isnt very high.... why doesn't anyone just walk OVER the tunnel?


Someone explained earlier in the thread that there is a highway passing over the tunnel.
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Jay must have posted the Jessica tape online BEFORE the events in this entry.

Jay made the "Tim, we need to talk" tweet on October 13, so Entry #77 happened sometime after that. This entry happened a day earlier, so October 12 or later (probably October 13 as he specifically says in his tweet that Tim didn't answer his phone). Jay posted Entry #76 on September 12.

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I have a rough idea with something, combining idea already posted here and some what I find a bit of a twist to the current discussion:

First of all, I think there is a mundane explanation of the phone call. Either TO erased Tim's memories of hearing the voicemail, or someone (with a hood) broke into Tim's house and erased it before he had a chance of hearing it. Though I deem both variants equally likely atm., I have an idea for the Hoody case.
It is a bit of a stretch, but what if there was no "real" switch in Jay from apologetic to violent, but TO influenced him to make that call. Jay stayed angry and hostile for most of the time, but TO induced a short episode of Jay being sorry and calling Tim, and after that conveniently erased Jay's memory of this, and maybe added a dash of madman back into him – so to speak.

"But why would he do that?" Well the consequence of that would be that Tim and Jay maybe got back together. And as long they are both together, they can both be disposed together. Remember how Alex, back then in S2, wanted Jay and Jessica both to be out in the woods, to get them both at the same time. Now – with some people noticing the recent focus on Alex resembling TO and vice versa – I thought maybe that the two have the same interest in that regard: getting rid of anyone involved into this, or at least involved into the Marble Hornets shoot. Therefore, TO, just as Alex did back then, wanted both Jay and Tim together so that he could get them both at the same time.

Hoody, however, somehow got wind of this (or is generally checking Tim's messages – I guess this part is the biggest stretch of this whole thesis) and therefore erased the voice mail from Tim's phone, so that they would be in clinch and at least not both together in the same place.
But this does not explain why Hoody freed Jay, at all.

So, what do you think?

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
The ironic thing is that this entry proves beyond a shred of a doubt that Tim was completely wrong to keep that tape from Jay. Jay actually did realize what Tim's reasoning for hiding it was. If Tim had just shown Jay the tape when he first found it, this whole thing wouldn't have happened, and Jay would still be alive now.

Or was completely right. Maybe what Tim was afraid of is that Jay would do exactly what he did.

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