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drseussicide
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Lytrigian wrote:
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The ironic thing is that this entry proves beyond a shred of a doubt that Tim was completely wrong to keep that tape from Jay. Jay actually did realize what Tim's reasoning for hiding it was. If Tim had just shown Jay the tape when he first found it, this whole thing wouldn't have happened, and Jay would still be alive now.

Or was completely right. Maybe what Tim was afraid of is that Jay would do exactly what he did.


Which is that exactly? Exploring a part of Rosswood he hasn't yet, something he should have done AGES ago??

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drseussicide wrote:
Lytrigian wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
The ironic thing is that this entry proves beyond a shred of a doubt that Tim was completely wrong to keep that tape from Jay. Jay actually did realize what Tim's reasoning for hiding it was. If Tim had just shown Jay the tape when he first found it, this whole thing wouldn't have happened, and Jay would still be alive now.

Or was completely right. Maybe what Tim was afraid of is that Jay would do exactly what he did.


Which is that exactly? Exploring a part of Rosswood he hasn't yet, something he should have done AGES ago??


No, assuming Tim was to blame for Jessica's disappearance, ruining the friendship they had built up. It was pretty clear Tim and Masky brought here there to lure out Alex (if you want to counter that, prepare to explain why else they would bring her to a forest in the middle of the night), so it's not crazy to think Jay would feel the need to assign blame to someone and choose Tim. And he did.

Also you say he should have done it ages ago, but we have seen him try to do it twice. Once in entry 50 and again in 64. You can't blame him for not wanting to go back right away after what happened to him there both times.

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drseussicide wrote:
Lytrigian wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
The ironic thing is that this entry proves beyond a shred of a doubt that Tim was completely wrong to keep that tape from Jay. Jay actually did realize what Tim's reasoning for hiding it was. If Tim had just shown Jay the tape when he first found it, this whole thing wouldn't have happened, and Jay would still be alive now.

Or was completely right. Maybe what Tim was afraid of is that Jay would do exactly what he did.


Which is that exactly? Exploring a part of Rosswood he hasn't yet, something he should have done AGES ago??


Distrusting Tim. WIth TTA already hinting "Liar" towards Tims direction, Jay, seeing Tim as Masky carrying Jessica away, could get angry and through wrong reasoning come to the false conclusion that Tim is a bad guy. Which is kinda what happend.

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Wut.

We don't know why Jay attacked Tim yet, not any longer. We don't know why he attacked him because the day before, Jay tried to call Tim and apologise. Then he got Slendy-fied, then he attacked Tim. You seem to still be operating on the assumption that Jay attacked Tim because he had just seen the tape. This latest entry disproves that. You have to take what happened here into account.

So,
Operating (lol) on the assumption that the Slendification was what caused Jay's anger, which is what the evidence now supports, this suggests that the tape was not the impetus behind Jay's violent acts. It was an element, but probably because the slendification caused Jay's mistrust to grow and fester against his control.

People keep saying that Jay is "going masky" but I think it's the opposite. He's acting like Alex. Alex doesn't wear a mask. Alex films everything out of some strange need. Alex attacks people with stupid reasons and no plan, almost as if he's not totally in control of his actions. (my own opinion, not really objectively quantifiable)

And no, I don't honestly blame Jay for not wanting to go back there.
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I also understand that Trosephim did this for dramatic purposes. I'm not ignorant of how this stuff works I do however, as a person, have been wondering if he ever would go through. You know, kind of like the emotional response that the creators seem to be going after with that plot device?


So I feel I should ask again. What is so bad about Jay going to Rosswood? I don't understand the statement. Looking at the newest entry (which we are supposed to be discussing) it seems clear that watching the tape isn't the sole reason Jay attacked Tim. His initial reaction was to cry in his car and look around Rosswood. A pretty typical-seeming Jay reaction.

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drseussicide wrote:
Wut.

We don't know why Jay attacked Tim yet, not any longer. We don't know why he attacked him because the day before, Jay tried to call Tim and apologise. Then he got Slendy-fied, then he attacked Tim. You seem to still be operating on the assumption that Jay attacked Tim because he had just seen the tape. This latest entry disproves that. You have to take what happened here into account.

So,
Operating (lol) on the assumption that the Slendification was what caused Jay's anger, which is what the evidence now supports, this suggests that the tape was not the impetus behind Jay's violent acts. It was an element, but probably because the slendification caused Jay's mistrust to grow and fester against his control.

People keep saying that Jay is "going masky" but I think it's the opposite. He's acting like Alex. Alex doesn't wear a mask. Alex films everything out of some strange need. Alex attacks people with stupid reasons and no plan, almost as if he's not totally in control of his actions. (my own opinion, not really objectively quantifiable)

And no, I don't honestly blame Jay for not wanting to go back there.
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I also understand that Trosephim did this for dramatic purposes. I'm not ignorant of how this stuff works I do however, as a person, have been wondering if he ever would go through. You know, kind of like the emotional response that the creators seem to be going after with that plot device?


So I feel I should ask again. What is so bad about Jay going to Rosswood? I don't understand the statement. Looking at the newest entry (which we are supposed to be discussing) it seems clear that watching the tape isn't the sole reason Jay attacked Tim. His initial reaction was to cry in his car and look around Rosswood. A pretty typical-seeming Jay reaction.


Well, I see your point, and I actually like the possibility of something happening between the events of #82 and #77 that efficiently caused Jays rage – something Tim does not want to be revealed maybe. (Yes, I'm looking at you, TTA)

However, I see your question is actually 2 questions:
(a) Why did Tim conceal the tapes?
(b) Why did Tim want to prevent Jay from going to Rosswood?

For question (a) I already stated my opinion: The distrust issue. Question (b) is more of a follow-up question to that: What had Tim anticipated, that Jay could do? Of course I believe that it wasn't Tim's major intention to prevent Jay from going to Rosswood. He more generally wanted Jay not to screw things up. Either by going somewhere alone, doing something stupid, or attacking someone. You know, doing the cliché horror movie stuff. This however happened. Therefore, insofar as going alone to Rosswood and get "operated" counts as "screwing it up", Jay screwed it up, and therefore did exactly what Tim wanted to prevent by hiding the tape.

Yes, maybe the tape wasn't the final reason why Jay attacked Tim, this is maybe the main message of #82. But, we have no evidence whatsoever of what could have happened after Jay woke up in that shack, so the minimal assumption is that TO just reseted Jay's memory back into the "raaawwwrrr, I'm angry" state and maybe added a dash of "must kill the foul one". (Or, you could try to entertain the thesis from my earlier post in which I introduced the possibility of the bloodrage being really Jay's emotion, whereas the call to Tim was slender-work.)

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Okay. I don't personally believe that the phone issue is any more complicated than The Operator interfered with the call to ensure that it didn't go through for whatever reason, cos he's been shown to mess with electronics. Maybe the phone shut off without Jay realising, or whatever.
However, as an alternative, how do we know he wasn't calling Tim's home phone, and Tim happened to be out at the time, so Hoody broke in and deleted the message?

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Tim's insinuation that he doesn't remember getting any calls is important, though, because while it certainly is plausible that he was simply absent when the phone rang, it seems like he wouldn't have made that comment in the text unless he knew that he would have been there if the phone rang.

And he'd know which phone it was, because we heard the answering machine, so unless he has an identical answering machine recording on both phones (and most people I know don't), he'd be able to tell which phone it was.

Mind you, I'm merely playing devil's advocate here. It still *could* be that Hoody broke in and erased the message (and I'd love to see that on video if that happened).

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OllieRaiden wrote:
Okay. I don't personally believe that the phone issue is any more complicated than The Operator interfered with the call to ensure that it didn't go through for whatever reason, cos he's been shown to mess with electronics. Maybe the phone shut off without Jay realising, or whatever.
However, as an alternative, how do we know he wasn't calling Tim's home phone, and Tim happened to be out at the time, so Hoody broke in and deleted the message?


Jay heard the voice mail pickup. That's proof that the call went through. A dead phone will not polity tell you to leave a message. I already admitted that it's possible that Hoodie did something before Tim could get the message.

The main reason I like the memory loss theory over the Hoodie theory is what Tim said. "I didn't get any calls that day as far as I remember"
Not solid proof but it definitely hints at the possibility.

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I'm digging this implication that Rosswood and the Operator are like these weird glitches in the fabric of reality.

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gennerx wrote:
Jay heard the voice mail pickup. That's proof that the call went through. A dead phone will not polity tell you to leave a message. I already admitted that it's possible that Hoodie did something before Tim could get the message.


I more meant the Operator killed JAY'S phone as soon as the voice mail went through. So he got the acknowledgement, thought he was leaving a message, but he wasn't. It is, admittedly, a tad ridiculous. But y'never know really.

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OllieRaiden wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Jay heard the voice mail pickup. That's proof that the call went through. A dead phone will not polity tell you to leave a message. I already admitted that it's possible that Hoodie did something before Tim could get the message.


I more meant the Operator killed JAY'S phone as soon as the voice mail went through. So he got the acknowledgement, thought he was leaving a message, but he wasn't. It is, admittedly, a tad ridiculous. But y'never know really.


Even then Tim's phone would still indicate a message it would just be blank when he tried to play it back. He said he never got a call. It would also leave Jays phone number in the caller ID. Not to mention TO's affect on video isn't this precise there's no reason to believe he could do better with a phone. I think if they wanted to blame this on TO, Tim would have gotten a message but it would be nothing but creepy static.

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I'm putting my text in spoiler tags because I'm a long time lurker, first time poster that isn't quite sure of the rules yet. Hopefully this is all good Smile

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Sigh, I'm having so many feels right now. It made me all warm and fuzzy inside to see Jay again, because I miss him plenty. That phone call he made to Tim that didn't go through was so amazing, and so many feels - I think I shed a tear or two (read: I bawled my eyes out Crying or Very sad ).

Currently I'm mostly curious as to whether the Rosswood Park shifting is something that The Operator is creating, or if there's something else going on at Rosswood Park of which TO is only an extension/a physical representation.

Also, I'm trying to figure out what on earth Tim is supposed to do know, seeing as he doesn't have much to go on that would lead him forward. I'm hoping we'll see progress soon because I really want to know what TO wants and why!


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Wondertje wrote:

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Also, I'm trying to figured out what on earth Tim is supposed to do know, seeing as he doesn't have much to go on that would lead him forward. I'm hoping we'll see progress soon because I really want to know what TO wants and why!

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I feel like the next step for Tim, assuming no Hoody, or even Masky, intervention, is to trace Jay's steps through the tunnel in Rosswood because... I don't know why. Maybe actually to try and corner Hoody at the hut. It does feel like it may be him waiting for something to come along now though. Feels like a bit of a dead end at the moment.


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OllieRaiden wrote:
Wondertje wrote:

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Also, I'm trying to figured out what on earth Tim is supposed to do know, seeing as he doesn't have much to go on that would lead him forward. I'm hoping we'll see progress soon because I really want to know what TO wants and why!

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I feel like the next step for Tim, assuming no Hoody, or even Masky, intervention, is to trace Jay's steps through the tunnel in Rosswood because... I don't know why. Maybe actually to try and corner Hoody at the hut. It does feel like it may be him waiting for something to come along now though. Feels like a bit of a dead end at the moment.


This is why next video will be TTA. He has to give Tim a direction to go.

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One thing I find hard to believe is that tim knows that he didn't get any calls that day, he is adamant about that. I think I've got a pretty decent memory, (and I might add that I do not have an eldritch abomination messing with my brain,) and sometimes I think back to dramatic events in my life, for tim one of them may be jay "attacking him, for me, i think back to my brother dying this past summer. I remember who told me, I remember what I felt, I remember how i screamed and freaked out. I remember the look on my mothers face, but if you asked me if i got a phonecall from anyone, even my brother for that matter, the day before, to be honest i would probably have no idea.
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