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[VIDEO] Entry #82
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gennerx
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The Happy Madman wrote:
The tower may be irrelevant, considering how Jay failed to acknowledge it. I was just drawing attention to it, should it become relevant. As it is, there's no use trying to figure it out now. Thanks for the screenshot, KestrelRocket.

You know what? Tim has survived for quite some time without his pills. In Entry 61, it suggested that he needs them frequently or else. Perhaps he ecountered the Øperator in his house? Seems likely that he'd need them then.


We don't know for sure that something bad hasn't already happened because of Tim not taking his meds. If I'm right about Tim missing memories of the day Jay called him he may have gone masky during that time.

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brianlane723 wrote:
What is Jay seeing that he knows isn't there? How does he know it isn't there? Or is he referencing his earlier bouts with seeing TO and Hoody when they didn't appear on the camera?

I believe that Jay is referencing the Operator here, calling back to when he claimed to be seeing the Operator in the fields behind Tim's house, but it did not show up on the footage.

Oddly, my first thought about that here was that Jay thinks he's hallucinating the Operator in this video, when it is actually there.

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Of course, keep in mind that if he was right that he was seeing things that couldn't possibly be there, that would mean he was hallucinating, and if he was actually hallucinating, his hallucinations wouldn't show up on camera. So it's possible he really was seeing something that wasn't there, but we have no way of knowing what he thought he saw, because... y'know.

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Wondertje wrote:
aidansean wrote:
Another thought. Tim was uncharacteristically violent to Jay in Entry #59. Did Tim get exposed to the operator between Entry #58 and Entry #59?


Well, it might be an explanation - however, we have to keep in mind that between Entry #58 and Entry #59 is when Tim found out about the MH youtube channel and looked through all of the videos. The amount of sudden information and shock he must've gone through whilst realising all about him being Masky, doing strange things he doesn't remember and such could've been more than enough to warrant such a reaction as seen in Entry #59.


On the one hand it does make sense that Tim would be very upset by the shock of all that information, but on the other I don't think it makes sense for him to remain that upset for a long period of time, especially since he seems to be quite understanding about things most of the time. The first thing he does is hit Jay in the face, he doesn't even give him a chance to explain himself. The fact that Jay took Tim the hospital and then Tim gets all angry (just Jay and Alex did) suggests that he saw the operator between Entry #58 and Entry #59.

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Eh, he just punched Jay once, which is hardly insanely violent- even perfectly rational people wouldn't take well to a revelation of the sort he had just had, and his mental stability's shaky to begin with. There *could* be TO influence involved, but I'm not so sure.

Tim also seemed pretty much his usual self in 66, and was perfectly ready to brain Hoody with a wrench, so I don't know how nonviolent he really is when he's legitimately pissed off at someone- and at that point, he had no real reason to trust Jay much more than someone like Hoody or Alex.

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Wondertje wrote:
aidansean wrote:
Another thought. Tim was uncharacteristically violent to Jay in Entry #59. Did Tim get exposed to the operator between Entry #58 and Entry #59?


Well, it might be an explanation - however, we have to keep in mind that between Entry #58 and Entry #59 is when Tim found out about the MH youtube channel and looked through all of the videos. The amount of sudden information and shock he must've gone through whilst realising all about him being Masky, doing strange things he doesn't remember and such could've been more than enough to warrant such a reaction as seen in Entry #59.


I would agree with his violent outburst. Think about it from Tim's perspective. He even says himself "I was finally getting better" and he notes about not being able to hold a job because he'd blackout for weeks at a time (due to being Masky during those time periods). Then all of a sudden, he finds video evidence of things he's done while not in control of himself, and not only that but it's online for the entire world to see.

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aidansean wrote:
On the one hand it does make sense that Tim would be very upset by the shock of all that information, but on the other I don't think it makes sense for him to remain that upset for a long period of time, especially since he seems to be quite understanding about things most of the time. The first thing he does is hit Jay in the face, he doesn't even give him a chance to explain himself. The fact that Jay took Tim the hospital and then Tim gets all angry (just Jay and Alex did) suggests that he saw the operator between Entry #58 and Entry #59.


Apart from the punch in the face, Tim doesn't show any signs of actually wanting to hurt him. He's not continuing to attack, nor trying to strangle him or anything. To me he looks more like he's just really hurt and angry (and in shock) at all of this coming back to him.

When Jay was affected by TO (if we assume that's what it was) he brought a knife in what was probably an attempt to seriously injury or even kill Tim. And this with much less justification than Tim had to punch Jay in the face.

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I'm digging this implication that Rosswood and the Operator are like these weird glitches in the fabric of reality.


It also seems to me that the Operator magnifies the effect of entropy in the area. It's turned "Rosswood Town" into a weirdly deserted place full of ruined buildings. I still think that the story Alex told in #38 in a local legend concocted by the remaining inhabitants in an attempt to explain the weird curse that hovers over their town.

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And Jay hadn't just brought the knife as a defensive measure, either. He had it drawn, and even after it was clear that Tim was trying to talk to him peacefully (specifically, when Tim had him sit down on the couch after confiscating the knife), he again lunged for the knife in a way implying that he intended fully to use it then and there.

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TheJoker wrote:
And Jay hadn't just brought the knife as a defensive measure, either. He had it drawn, and even after it was clear that Tim was trying to talk to him peacefully (specifically, when Tim had him sit down on the couch after confiscating the knife), he again lunged for the knife in a way implying that he intended fully to use it then and there.


You could argue against that though that since Tim was already hiding the fact that he was a part of Jessica's disappearance and hiding things from Jay, it would have been in self-defense by Jay not knowing what Tim would do to him knowing he watched the tape. I mean if Jay's intention with the knife were just self-defense (even though I agree with the popular notion that his intent was to attack Tim, I'm just providing the opposite view), and Tim took away his only defense, it'd only make sense he'd instantly try to get it back.

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TheManPF wrote:
I'm starting to think it wasn't TO's fault for Jay becoming violent, he could have found something in Rosswood after the camera turned off that maybe made him actually change his mind about Tim, thus forcing him to do what he did in #77


Jay wasn't violent.

He was confronting a person who has hunted him down with a mask and is known to be volitile and who had been hiding major things from him in order to manipulate him to work with him and thought that it'd be a good idea to bring some form of self defence.

This is not being violent.

This is being smart.

TheJoker wrote:
And Jay hadn't just brought the knife as a defensive measure, either. He had it drawn, and even after it was clear that Tim was trying to talk to him peacefully (specifically, when Tim had him sit down on the couch after confiscating the knife), he again lunged for the knife in a way implying that he intended fully to use it then and there.


Yes, he did. He had it drawn because of who he was dealing with. Not because he wanted to attack him.

If being disarmed by such a person known to do aggressive things, act out, and attack people, wouldn't YOU want a form of protection to deal with them?

Just because he had the knife drawn, suddenly it wasn't a defensive measure? He didn't know if Tim would just attack him outright after their first encounter post-finding out what was on the tape. Maybe having it drawn wasn't SMART but it was UNDERSTANDABLE, given how often attacks have blindsided Jay.

I do not get why so many people call jay an idiot for not being prepared and at the same time slam him for being an aggressive out of control idiot when he is being prepared. I just don't understand it.

Jay was being paranoid? Maybe. But given what he'd been through and who he was dealing with and what he just saw, he had every right to be, and took appropriate measures for his own safety.

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adaminator1 wrote:
TheManPF wrote:
I'm starting to think it wasn't TO's fault for Jay becoming violent, he could have found something in Rosswood after the camera turned off that maybe made him actually change his mind about Tim, thus forcing him to do what he did in #77


Jay wasn't violent.

He was confronting a person who has hunted him down with a mask and is known to be volitile and who had been hiding major things from him in order to manipulate him to work with him and thought that it'd be a good idea to bring some form of self defence.

This is not being violent.

This is being smart.

TheJoker wrote:
And Jay hadn't just brought the knife as a defensive measure, either. He had it drawn, and even after it was clear that Tim was trying to talk to him peacefully (specifically, when Tim had him sit down on the couch after confiscating the knife), he again lunged for the knife in a way implying that he intended fully to use it then and there.


Yes, he did. He had it drawn because of who he was dealing with. Not because he wanted to attack him.

If being disarmed by such a person known to do aggressive things, act out, and attack people, wouldn't YOU want a form of protection to deal with them?

Just because he had the knife drawn, suddenly it wasn't a defensive measure? He didn't know if Tim would just attack him outright after their first encounter post-finding out what was on the tape. Maybe having it drawn wasn't SMART but it was UNDERSTANDABLE, given how often attacks have blindsided Jay.

I do not get why so many people call jay an idiot for not being prepared and at the same time slam him for being an aggressive out of control idiot when he is being prepared. I just don't understand it.

Jay was being paranoid? Maybe. But given what he'd been through and who he was dealing with and what he just saw, he had every right to be, and took appropriate measures for his own safety.


Most of us aren't saying that he was an out of control idiot. We're saying he was probably under the influence of TO - which makes the situation sad but not really anything we can blame on Jay.

You can't really ignore the fact during the phone call (Entry #82) he sounded like he was about to burst into tears and he really wanted to get back together with Tim and have them work together again - anyone who feels that way and isn't under influence of something wouldn't bring a drawn knife. They would bring distance, and carefulness - yeah, but not a drawn knife.

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Theory:

TO is actually Craig Digsby from Nature Break. He ended up learning too much about Rosswood and became cursed. Everyone who learns too much about Rosswood is stalked by TO (Craig Digsby) so that they can take his place.

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Wondertje wrote:
Most of us aren't saying that he was an out of control idiot. We're saying he was probably under the influence of TO - which makes the situation sad but not really anything we can blame on Jay.

You can't really ignore the fact during the phone call (Entry #82) he sounded like he was about to burst into tears and he really wanted to get back together with Tim and have them work together again - anyone who feels that way and isn't under influence of something wouldn't bring a drawn knife. They would bring distance, and carefulness - yeah, but not a drawn knife.


This was happening in threads before this entry, so that was exactly what people were saying. And I don't necessarily think Jay was under the operator's direct influence. I think he just had development beyond those feelings cut from his memory. So technically, this would still be in line with what Jay would be feeling if that hadn't happened.

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I'm not saying it's not possible for Jay to have been there on the defensive, but nothing about that scene gives me that impression. And his flipping out over Tim taking the camera at the end indicates that he was indeed not in the most stable of mental states at the time of the entry, so why should we assume that he had good intentions for the knife? Sure, his behavior *could* make sense even for a rational, well-intentioned person, but context does not suggest that he had given it any of the same thought you have. It's pretty clear we're supposed to think he's gone off the deep end when watching that scene.

Furthermore, it is clear from what he says to Tim in that entry that he was not there to reconcile despite what he had apparently intended the previous day, nor does he at any point say anything that fits in with the arguments he makes in the voicemail- clearly, something in his mindset did change. TO did something to him.

And he makes no attempt to defend why he'd brought the knife along, either. If he really had just brought it as a defensive measure, you'd think he'd say as much and try to convince Tim of his good intentions or something, but he seemed pretty hostile overall.

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