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Ascalondion
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elford wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Also, just rewatched the entry out of boredom.

There's something really rustling my jimmies.... And if some entry freak like you guys could confirm this that'd be great.

Did everyone notice how everytime anyone goes in the tunnel you just can't see what's on the other side besides a white light? and it only becomes clear once you're halfway through (and the side you came from turns into white light). I'm almost positive it was like this in all the other entries (Awesome light manipulation at filming by Troseph there, GJ! =) ).

So this leads me to think that whenever someone is walking through the tunnel it "triggers" TO's attention and thus he shifts the geography at will while said someone is going through the tunnel. That's why going around it never changed anything.... Im thinking just at THAT point about halfway through the tunnel there's a dimensional anomaly, maybe the actual entrance to the slendyverse.... Maybe the location where Tim will have to go and figure out how to get Jessica and Jay out.... IF they're alive.


THIS is exactly what i was thinking about. That white light effect, there has to be something to that, it is almost always there.


Reading this I had an idea, it's just from the top of my head so it might me either a bit crazy or has been posted already somewhere sometime...

I wondered for a long time about the nature of TO and his connection to the woods and the hospital, as well the doors from "where it came from" from #65. With regards to the latter, there was some speculation about TO maybe once have been a mad scientist that "operated" on people or something like that in this very hospital. Suppose he just did some illegal and truthfully horrifying experiments and operations to his victims, to get further along in his research, whatever that might have been. (Maybe experiments on human psychology and memories, ey? Wink) Suppose too that he didn't care that much about the health and well-being of his subjects, so that the operation was rather deadly for those who underwent it (or his research straightforwardly required his subjects to die). So in order to stay employed at the hospital, he had to hide his operations (stay away from cameras) and more importantly, he had to dispose of his subjects once he was done with them. To do that, he drove towards the next forest/park to bury/hide the bodies. For that he choose the tunnel, or the area behind the tunnel.
Enter Paranormal.
The ghastly experiments and the torments of dead accumulated in that area/in the tunnel, and therefore somehow caused not only the creation of that anomaly/distortion field in rosswood park and the tunnel, but also "warped" the mad scientist into what we now know as The Operator. Or maybe he died (in a fire), but the field of torment created by the dead at rosswood prevented him from truly dying, and therefore kept some creepy form or part of his soul in existence. He therefore still has some old habits of his: Prefers to remain unseen; stalks, alters and observes his victims; hides their bodies in rosswood once they are dead or injured; chooses one individual to become his assistant to aid him with his dirty work; etc.. The source of the torment-field is located in or near that tunnel, that's the reason you see "the light at the end of the tunnel" once you're in it: the torment of the dead or somehow distort reality there so that some other realm/worlds/dimension/afterlife affects you, makes you mad and shifts reality around.

This might also explain the creepy look TO gave Jay at the end of #82, we watched his subject's reaction ….

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DarKWolF90 wrote:
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Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.


Those systems do not use a prerecorded greeting message like the one we heard. Since the prerecorded messages are stored within the voicemail service itself of each phone client, that is to say, to even HEAR the greeting message you have to actually get IN said voicemail, for that happening the call MUST GO THROUGH. Even if the call was dropped by TO when Jay was talking, it would've shown a missed call regardless... When you don't actually go through not even the voicemail service comes on your phone, not even those kind of services you spoke of, you just get an intermitent tone of no signal.

But let us assume for a second that what you're saying is possible... Looking back at the way plot, story, facts develop in MH, do you really think that's the way they're going with the missed call fact?

MH is known to toy with timelapses and memory, why would they go so technical and specific now? When they have an easier, more dramatic and much more obvious path to take as in the ways of doing things TO/Hoody/Tim/Jay have?


I want to address the part about the systems that make you press a button to save the voicemail, yes, they do let you set up a voicemail message. I remember specifically, T-Mobile used to do this. Now days, it's mostly pre-paid phones that do it. My old Tracphone did it and I was able to set up a voicemail message.

Now, you could still chalk this up to TO fucking with Tim's memory, but the phone wouldn't lie. If he got the call and the VM but didn't remember it, the evidence of the call coming in would still be on his phone. The voicemail might not, but the call still would. The only other explanation I can think of is that TO forced a call drop(because it has not been established that TO can mimic voices) after Jay started to leave the voice mail message. Now, on a cell phone, you don't get a nifty buzzing dial tone to let you know the call dropped. You usually just get silence and often you won't notice the call dropped until after you're done speaking. I've had this happen to me several times. So, that could explain how Jay could continue leaving a message without knowing that the call had already dropped.

The reason I don't think Tim just "forgot" the voicemail is because he was on his meds during the time Jay would have left the voicemail message and well after Jay got back and decided to attack Tim. That's why I figured the voicemail didn't save. Of course, it could also just be that the voicemail was blank and Tim thought it was a bill collector because most VM services do not store the number that left the voicemail.


Not true, look at the spooky basement entry, #23 if I'm correct, but you can hear someone mocking Jay's voice and "Hello?". Rewatch if you don't believe me.
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Lytrigian wrote:
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Why? Occam's Razor recommends we make no more assumptions than necessary. We've never seen the Operator fake someone's voice on a cellphone call or interfere with one that we know of. So if that's what happened, we have to assume a power for the Operator he has not otherwise shown. However, if there's one thing we know the Operator DOES do, it's interfere with memories.


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I know that Occam's Razor appears to be some kind of mantra on these forums - it would be good to know though that Occam's Razor doesn't imply that it is the automatic truth, nor is it even applicable at all times. That's pretty much the first law of using Occam's Razor, it will help us reach the most simply solution, but by no means can it be used to deduct the true one.

As an example of such: the most simple explanation of reality is that it doesn't exist but that it's merely an illusion. No one however, runs around claiming this is true and then uses Occam's Razor as an argument. Seeing as this series takes place in a world where time travel/shifting and teleportation has been confirmed and accepted, it greatly changes the definition of simple in terms of applying Occam's Razor. One can't look at this series and then apply the "normal" Occam's Razor, since it no longer applies - one must take into consideration the world in which TO exists.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that TO interfering with Tim's memory is a very plausible idea - I just don't think that Occam's Razor is enough of an argument for it. Especially since it's rather controversial whether TO has ever spoken or not. I personally believe that he has spoken (or at the very least mimicked/echoed sounds), as heard in Entry #23.

I'm rambling. Don't take it too seriously, and please don't be offended Smile


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 		TO talks in Entry #23? I don't remember that. It would be pretty cool if it's true.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but
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Troseph has confirmed that
there is a HEAVY Fire/Water motif present in MH. Jay's house burns down, Alex burns the tapes, the hospital burned down…
all these references to burning
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not to mention that Troseph let slip that TO is attracted to flammable things
and now we have a building that was destroyed in, not a fire, but a flood. I think that we should take a look at TTA's "Deluge" video, or anything water related, for clues.

edited to get rid of the quote block

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 		So, the Øperator is attracted to things that burn? I find this piece of information quite valuable, considering how little we know about it.

As for the fire/water motifs, they can both be considered a method of cleansing and/or destruction. Makes me think if Alex/Jay/Tim/whoever needs to be absolved from some horrible sin, and the Øperator is some kind of judicator or something. Not likely, but it's something to think about.
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Ascalondion wrote:
elford wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Also, just rewatched the entry out of boredom.

There's something really rustling my jimmies.... And if some entry freak like you guys could confirm this that'd be great.

Did everyone notice how everytime anyone goes in the tunnel you just can't see what's on the other side besides a white light? and it only becomes clear once you're halfway through (and the side you came from turns into white light). I'm almost positive it was like this in all the other entries (Awesome light manipulation at filming by Troseph there, GJ! =) ).

So this leads me to think that whenever someone is walking through the tunnel it "triggers" TO's attention and thus he shifts the geography at will while said someone is going through the tunnel. That's why going around it never changed anything.... Im thinking just at THAT point about halfway through the tunnel there's a dimensional anomaly, maybe the actual entrance to the slendyverse.... Maybe the location where Tim will have to go and figure out how to get Jessica and Jay out.... IF they're alive.


THIS is exactly what i was thinking about. That white light effect, there has to be something to that, it is almost always there.


Reading this I had an idea, it's just from the top of my head so it might me either a bit crazy or has been posted already somewhere sometime...

I wondered for a long time about the nature of TO and his connection to the woods and the hospital, as well the doors from "where it came from" from #65. With regards to the latter, there was some speculation about TO maybe once have been a mad scientist that "operated" on people or something like that in this very hospital. Suppose he just did some illegal and truthfully horrifying experiments and operations to his victims, to get further along in his research, whatever that might have been. (Maybe experiments on human psychology and memories, ey? Wink) Suppose too that he didn't care that much about the health and well-being of his subjects, so that the operation was rather deadly for those who underwent it (or his research straightforwardly required his subjects to die). So in order to stay employed at the hospital, he had to hide his operations (stay away from cameras) and more importantly, he had to dispose of his subjects once he was done with them. To do that, he drove towards the next forest/park to bury/hide the bodies. For that he choose the tunnel, or the area behind the tunnel.
Enter Paranormal.
The ghastly experiments and the torments of dead accumulated in that area/in the tunnel, and therefore somehow caused not only the creation of that anomaly/distortion field in rosswood park and the tunnel, but also "warped" the mad scientist into what we now know as The Operator. Or maybe he died (in a fire), but the field of torment created by the dead at rosswood prevented him from truly dying, and therefore kept some creepy form or part of his soul in existence. He therefore still has some old habits of his: Prefers to remain unseen; stalks, alters and observes his victims; hides their bodies in rosswood once they are dead or injured; chooses one individual to become his assistant to aid him with his dirty work; etc.. The source of the torment-field is located in or near that tunnel, that's the reason you see "the light at the end of the tunnel" once you're in it: the torment of the dead or somehow distort reality there so that some other realm/worlds/dimension/afterlife affects you, makes you mad and shifts reality around.

This might also explain the creepy look TO gave Jay at the end of #82, we watched his subject's reaction ….


well that was..... Surprisingly interesting and imaginative...

Nice theory all n all but you're going too far on too little information. Its nice to imagine on TO's origin though.

As far as im concerned, all i know is that some serious dimensional bullshit goes down whenever anyone goes in the tunnel, AND THAT MOTHERFUGGIN' LIGHT!! I need some answers on that.

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 		Really not sure there's anything special signified by that light; looks more like just what happens when you point a camera down a tunnel. I don't know, as it's not something I've ever done, but I always just assumed it was essentially having to refocus due to the sudden change in light source, or something to that effect.

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 		Not sure if this has been mentioned...

But was Jay crying/post crying in the beginning of that tape?

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Animal wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned...

But was Jay crying/post crying in the beginning of that tape?


Thought that was obvious.
A mixture of shame and fear will do that.

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 		TO a scientist? Nah, he's just a normal guy who wants to make friends. All other theories are now null and void.



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That's a misapplication of Occam's Razor. "Reality isn't real" is only "simple" if you don't think about it. It actually requires a ridiculous amount of assumptions.

No, it doesn't tell you what is true, but an explanation that's built on as many assumptions as possible to make it work is certainly invalid.


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 		Yeah, if memory serves you hear someone mimicking jay in 23. Then the Operator shows up.
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 		Also, an ark is something that protects something valuable from a purge or FLOOD

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Lithp wrote:
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That's a misapplication of Occam's Razor. "Reality isn't real" is only "simple" if you don't think about it. It actually requires a ridiculous amount of assumptions.

No, it doesn't tell you what is true, but an explanation that's built on as many assumptions as possible to make it work is certainly invalid.


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If you're replying to me, then it's in fact not a misapplication but one of the first that you learn when studying Occam's Razor in Philosophy 101 - at least it's one of the heavily debated philosophical stand points when it comes to applying this to the real world (which is another reason why Occam's Razor usually isn't accepted as a fundamental argument in the scientific method). The debate goes on the notion that the amount of assumptions you have to make for the illusion theory if you start from absolutely nothing, are less than the amount of assumptions we need to make to withhold the current theories down to what reality is and how the universe/reality works. Therefore the theory of the illusion has less assumptions. But it's so heavily debated because people would argue the assumptions, the amount of them and whether they're supposed to count as assumptions or not. Either way, this is sort of off topic, and not really that important Razz


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