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[Wondertje]

When you say "blackout Jay" do you mean that he's controlled by TO at that moment? If that's the case, yeah I can see them having a conflict of interest. TO probably wouldn't want himself or his powers shown for the world, uploaded on youtube

I always believed that TO took control over Jay at the point when he went to the shack, and that he after that has been in (when attacking Tim) and out (when running around in Benedict Hall) of TO control at different moments.

[Osttle]

[Marble Hornets]

Long post but I promise it's worth reading

When I say blackout state, I mean similar to how Jay didn't remember leaving his room in entry 19, even though we see him leave. Things like at any point where the character says "i woke up in my car but don't remember anything from when the camera turned off." My theory assumes they are fully conscious during this state, but are retaining a separate set of memories from their "normal" selves. It also implies that because they are spending hours in a blackout state, they are not realizing they're not getting enough sleep, which explains where the headaches came from all those times Jay mentioned them.

Basically, I don't think the operator has the power to possess people, nor do I think he influences their actions. I simply think that all of the main characters have two sets of memories which result in sometimes them doing good things and sometimes bad. I do, however, think the operator is capable of communicating with someone "in their head" during their blackout state (shown in entry 65)

I refuse to believe there is an "off" switch for the kind of crazy that Alex's "blackout state" provides, rather that his blackout state has different memories and therefore his actions are vastly different. So when you see Alex talking normal to Jay and then a minute later bashing him in the head, it's because he's fully aware of what's going on, but has a different set of memories/motives than his "non-blackout" self does of Jay.

The main basis for this is that Masky is capable of making rational decisions (like carrying Jessica and not just beating her face in, or telling jay to "follow him" to the tunnel, or cooperating with hoody at times, etc.) so it's kind of weird to assume only Tim goes through that. If there was no control, in the sense that the operator was in control of them, entry 45 would make no sense. Tim might hate hoody, but Masky might like hoody because he has separate memories of him.

I simply think the sickness builds up over time and if not treated, causes the other personality to come alive. It's not weird to assume the sickness has an effect on the brain, after all. However, one thing I do need to look into is why the operator only seemingly takes Jay after his other personality comes out (guessing, due to violent coughing usually before he appears similar to Tim's outbursts before he turns masky)


Again, I ask you guys to keep that theory in mind and rewatch the season 2/3 totheark videos, trying to picture it as Alex being totheark, sometimes in self reflection when talking about his blackout personality (referring to "him" at times, as if he knows his other self is messed up). It's more likely that hoody is totheark, but after thinking about the theory, a lot of the stuff from the videos would fit with alex being him. Videos like intermission or fragments get a whole new meaning

[Ascalondion]

[DHawk314]

The mental changes among the characters definitely have parallels. Tim is perfectly normal before entering a state of insanity during which he seems to retain memories (45 Masky has the cement block, referencing what happened to 35 Masky) but doesn't keep them when sane. Entry #65 seems to have Tim in a slightly different state; he's acting insane and can't remember it later, but it doesn't seem to be quite as orderly as Masky until he falls unconscious and then wakes up again and starts hitting Alex. But they might be the same, we honestly don't know much about Masky.

Jay blacks out, like in 24 walking out of his house. And he has a similar transformation to Alex's; encounters with the Operator perpetuate some sort of illogical/insane type of thought (Jay is too involved and thus I have to kill Jessica/Tim is not to be trusted I must tie him up with zipties and threaten him with a knife) which then leads them to violence. And certainly Alex tries to get Jessica not involved before murdering her. But, Alex seems to take full ownership of those actions before trying to shoot Jay and Jessica. I'm aware the theory that everyone has split memories accounts for one side of the split to remember the other side's memories and not vice versa, but still, I generally don't get the impression from the dialogue that there's two Alex's in that sort of way, or two Jay's from how he acts in 77.

I think the Jay from 78/79/80 would also have to be the one from 77, if there are two of them. Otherwise Jay would have to specify he doesn't remember 77 in one of the entries, would he not? He mentions what happened in 77/78 in the intro of 79 even.

I think Masky is kind of a different story. The other character seemingly go progressively more insane in a linear way. Masky switches on and off. I can't think of a wonderful explanation for this, although my theory is the meds. Tim had a linear downward sanity spiral as a child, and the meds returned him to normal. So he's usually normal and then without the meds he snaps back to completely insane.

But all the characters are different, with vague parallels. Tim/Jay have hallucinations, Jay/Alex turn violent in similar ways, Alex and Hoody both write cryptic messages on pieces of paper, which presumably has something to do with how totheark acts too. One part of Tim's insanity is memory loss, which other characters obviously have too.

I make no attempts though to say there's some big unified, consistent sickness happening to them though, like that they all have dual memories. I'll fully admit though, part of that is because to connect them all that specifically would be really complex and hard and I'm not that imaginative, so I fully with you all luck with doing that,

[gennerx]

[Osttle]

[gennerx]

[JAL13]

How can you distort Masky into something that looks like a Skeleton from Mexico's Day of the Dead festival? I don't doubt Troy's ability to do it, but if they did they made it look completely, with exception to the white color of the mask, different from Masky. Skully is probably a dropped plot device unless...

[gennerx]

[DHawk314]

I never really thought it had to be a mask. People see hair but I really do not. I get where hair would be, but I don't think that's it. I think it's just like blank space. So to me it just looks like some creepy effect like from a totheark video. Like a drawing or some shit. Looks vaguely like Masky I guess. Could be a dropped plot device.

[The Happy Madman]

I doubt the skull-thingy is relevant. If it was, we'd have Hoody wearing it.

[Osttle]

I feel it symbolized death tbh. A certain Amy may be dead.

[SilentMedusa]

Can I just say that I simultaneously love and hate how Unfiction has changed what I notice and why? I just noticed that even though Tim posted the links to all three videos on the MH Twitter, #80 and 81 are capitalized, but #82 isn't (I'm sure this has been brought up already, but I don't have it in me to re-read 23 pages of comments looking for it). Before, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. Now...

[The Happy Madman]

No one has mentioned it; perhaps it is because it doesn't mean anything.