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[Ascalondion]

Warning, wall of text incoming.

Well, there has been little reason for both Tim and Jay to upload anything for quite some time. I also don't know why Jay did upload #79. Did he expect some kind of reaction from the viewers? Is he doing it just out of habit? Didn't both Jay and Tim paused to upload stuff at around #67.5 in order to remain safe? They then only uploaded when they found something, like the tape or Alex's house.
After that, it becomes more like a „one up" of both Jay and Tim to upload their stuff.

#75-76 Take that Tim, you're a liar!
#77 Take that Jay, you're nuts!
#78-#79 Take that Tim, I'll uncover your fishy doings!
#80 & #81 All the world look here, I was innocent!

But considering that Tims acclaimed goal is to find Alex and end it one way or the other(#75), none of his uploads are working towards that goal. So unless we have a sufficient theory why those lovely derps keep uploading their „secret" investigations to find a person who is armed and tries to ambush them, speculation like that seem only to lead astray.

While I'm amongst those who readily jump onto the "Tim is lying" train, I don't think he is lying about not getting, or not remembering the call. I'll go with SilentMedusa on this one, if Tim wanted to proof that Jay is nuts by #77, then including the call and then showing how Jay entered his house with a knife drawn would have worked great towards that. But then again, Tim also thought it would be "the best thing" to blatantly lie to your partner, with whom you had a "no more secrets" deal because both of them had memory leaks and therefore needed to dispell any distrust by full disclosure to each other. So if Tim intentions are benign, then he is just as derby as Jay ever was.

And no, I don't think "Look what happened! Jay did something super stupid. Tim's actions were justified." counts as a good justification. Because the reason Jay did something stupid is not because of the tape itself, but in my opinion rather because Tim was desperately hiding it. I mean, they probably talked about Tim as Masky, and how he cannot remember anything of that. (In one entry Tim yells at Jay how horrible it is to wake up one day somewhere without knowing where you've been the last couple of weeks.) Jay has experienced those episodes too, back in season one, and even now after #72. So he probably know how it feels to wake up, without memory, and find a tape or a video that shows you things you've done you have absolutely no memory off. Tim then, by hiding a tape with some Masky footage, adds some importance to that. From Jay's perspective, it has to be more than just another "Oh, look, I found some footage of stuff I did while I was not myself." So Tim, by himself, convinces Jay that this tape is more important than any other tape or video with footage of Masky, exactly because he is hiding it for almost a year, and is blatantly lying about it.

Is there more of that? What if he has more footage, either made by himself, or on Jay's laptop, that we "need to see, but not yet." Because Tim decides what is good for us to know and what not. And if we "watch that now, it's gonna ruin everything we've been working for."
Even if we grant that to be true (when exactly was Tim thinking that Jay would be ready to see that?), we can't trust Tim in that regards. He has hidden some information before, and was utterly false by doing so. I think this could happen again.

So, sorry for the wall of text, but I felt I couldn't make my suspicion towards Tim clearer in fewer words. Of course, I'm not sure about that. The next entry could proof everything of that wrong, as I have no idea where things go from here. (More videos from the laptop? Tim going Masky? Alex finding Tim? Tim finding Alex? Hoody finding Tim? Tim finding Hoody? Hoody posting stuff, #68-and-#73 style? All of the above? Etc.)

tl,dr.: Tim either is mistakenly thinking that withholding information is the best way to uncover secrets and gaining the trust of your partner, or he really is hiding something. In both cases, I deem it likely that Tim was involved in events we right now don't even know took place.

/edited for missing letters

[TheManPF]

Tim didn't hide the tape because it showed him doing things as Masky, he hid it because it showed that Jessica is clearly dead, and Jay's only reason to keep doing all of this was because he wanted to find her

Tim just thought that if he showed it to Jay, he wouldn't help Tim find Alex anymore, and leave Tim in this alone

[Ascalondion]

[SilentMedusa]

[CraicIsMighty]

And yet Tim (and a good portion of the fanbase) is constantly vilifying Jay- who is also justifiably paranoid and scared out of his mind- for not always making perfectly rational decisions. That seems fair.

And anyway, Tim's stories have been full of holes from the start. For example, the Jessica tape. He claims he just found it in his pocket when they woke up in the shack. Yet if that's the case, how did he know to keep it hidden from Jay? He would've had no way of knowing what was on it if that was true, which means there was no reason for him not to show it to Jay as soon as he realized he had it. Which means that either:

A) Tim was completely lying about finding it in his pocket, and had the tape all along. Which would mean he was lying about giving Jay all the tapes he had, and that he didn't know what was on the tapes. That would mean that Tim purposefully only gave Jay tapes that made him look like an innocent victim. (Gee, doesn't that sound familiar?) It would also mean he was lying about not having a camera that could play the tapes.

B) Tim really did find it in his pocket, but already knew what was on it. Which would mean that either 1) he's lying about not being able to remember what he does as masky or 2) Hoodie told Tim what was on it and Tim has actually been in cahoots with Hoodie all along, even in his non-masky state.

C) Tim really did find it in his pocket, and didn't know what was on it, but was suspicious enough to watch it in secret. This could mean that:
1) Tim can remember what he does as Masky, and while he didn't know for sure what was on this tape, suspected what it was.
2) Didn't necessarily know that it was the Jessica tape, but wanted to make sure that there was nothing on there he didn't want Jay to see. That could imply that Tim has or knows about other tapes that he didn't want Jay to see.
3) Tim knew Hoodie had the tape, which could have all sorts of nasty implications.

And another thing that seems fishy is his whole shtick about how he supposedly wanted Jay to get help. Yet when he had the perfect opportunity to take Jay to the hospital, he didn't. During that entire month when Jay was completely delirious after The Operator attacked him, he just kept cooped up in a hotel room. Someone being delirious for weeks seems like pretty good grounds to take them to the doctor regardless of the situation, and Jay was too out of it to protest.

And Tim's excuse for why he kept the tape hidden was also pretty weak. He said it was because he knew Jay would blame him for Jessica being gone if Jay saw it. But what reason did he have to think that? Jay never blamed him for anything else that he did as Masky, so why would this be any different? This makes me think Tim has a guilty conscience about either this or something else he's done.

[NaeturVindur]

I noticed two things that feel are important, and actually managed to skim the whole thread to see if anyone else noticed them. The first was mostly noticed:

[Vinny]

Question:

Where does Tim get his mask when he changes personalities? Does he just happen to have a mask like that lying around? And if he does, then why?

[SilentMedusa]

I would say that either Masky hides it somewhere Tim won't find it and the gets it the next time he takes over, or Hoody gives it to him. I seriously doubt Tim would keep it, especially once he clued in to what it actually was.

[FalloutGhoul]

Insane Theory Time!

What if the reason why Rosswood is shifting around is because The Operator/Alex are trying to hide something? Something, or someone, they want to protect/hide. This might explain the pact that Alex made with The Operator.

Why would they try so hard to prevent someone from going to the other side of that tunnel?

[Osttle]

[Teedub]

When he goes into the masky mode, the mask just grows on his face. Coolest transformation ever

[JAL13]

Not to bring my psychology major into things….. But someone with Dissociate Identity Disorder (DID) has two more personalities that can:

a) Know each other exist and talk to each other.

b) Know each other exist but do not interact. (I believe this to be Tim)

c) Are unaware of each other.

Usually the personalities are triggered by something that causes the person to use their other personality to handle the situation for them because they could not handle it when they first experienced it. It is an extreme dissociation after years of trying to dissociate from a traumatic event. So, it is likely that Masky is able to keep things from Tim, including where his mask is, pills, tapes, etc, etc. However, once another personality is developed it may be hard for them to control when or where that other personality decides to show itself.

Think about Harvey Dent going Two Face in Arkham City… Not the Christopher Nolan movie though.

[SilentMedusa]

There's been a pretty big debate about Tim not getting this call. Was there something weird on his end, or Jay's? This entry takes place a day before the events of entry #77. I just remembered something: Just before entry #77 was uploaded, Jay posted a Tweet that said something like "Tim, if you can see this, we need to talk". When asked, Jay said (on Twitter) that Tim wasn't answering his phone.

I don't think that Tim would've deliberately ignored Jay's calls, but the fact that we can hear Jay leave a message Tim claims to have never received makes me think something was going on. I think someone or something was trying to isolate either Jay or Tim. Or maybe both, by cutting them off from each other.

[gennerx]

[SilentMedusa]

So, he can teleport, he can fast-forward day into night almost instantly, he can selectively wipe memories, cause illness, cause electronics malfunctions, take people to a limbo where things are so whacked-out that a year's old corpse shows no signs of decomposition, and track people across large distances through unknown means, but he can't stop one phone from receiving calls. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.