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Mr Timothy
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 		Theory Disproved
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Well it actually disproves the future Jay theory, because if Hoody was future Jay, then when Jay died, Hoody would cease to exist. Also, it didn't really seem like TO was protecting Hoody, just scaring Tim off. Remember that TO's intentions are shrouded as hell. Anyways the only way that Hoody could be Jay from the future is if Jay survived that bullet, which seems real unlikely at this point. As for me, I have no idea what is coming up in the next few entries, (endgame) but I do know some ideas that will for sure not happen.
~T


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TheOperator
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Jordan wrote:
MarbleHead wrote:
All right so... here's a 3 AM stretch for you guys that I hope I don't get run over for.

Just rewatched hoody giving Tim that haymaker a couple of times in a row, particularly freezing the image at 5:01 and 5:02. I'm on my laptop and using Youtube, so I'm not 100% confident but... what are those pants Hoody's wearing? And when Hoody turns to lift their leg to go through that window....

Could Hoody be a girl?


Troseph have told us not to go by the build of the actor in discerning Hoody's identity - but, I'm a bit suprised the possibility has just hit you just now. Sarah's been in the running for Hoody's identity alongside Brian and Seth for quite some time now!


Trosephim saying that is a myth, I believe. Nobody has ever been able to provide a source. Some claim that they said it on the S2 DVD but people have debunked them saying it there.

Having said that, when you compare the light-framed Hoody of #45 to the big, broad Hoody of #66, for example, it's pretty clear that different actors play the role. What's strange is the possibility of a girl filling in for Hoody, as usually they appear to just have Troy, Joseph or Tim fill in. It would be odd to use a girl as a fill-in only now and after they usually have to hire female actors.

The Happy Madman wrote:
Hoody is certainly not female. A girl couldn't pull of that Hoody Haymaker. Also, he's likely not dead, but that tape...? Is that the same tape that we saw on him in entry #73?


I've seen some decent rebuttals to Hoody being a girl (or at least played by one) on this thread, this post ain't one of them. Also that tape was already uploaded, why would Hoody have it?

Aeliott wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's a classic fire bell. If you look you can see the hammer at the bottom. Looks like its badly charred, so it must have been one hell of a fire Wink pretty sure it's a nod to the hospital burning down along with the flames a few shots before.


I was wondering what that thing is myself, thanks for clearing it up.

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ziggazern
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 		Food for thought.

The editing on this video looks like TTA, because this is how it is to live and record with high levels of slendersickness.
Keep in mind that this is the first time we've had camera recording while the recorder was in a 'Masky' state (I am sure a few of us can agree about this regarding some scenes with Tim in this entry).
TTA videos always have editing like this (even though the 'intensity' of the distortions can vary) because, well, Hoody is always sick and rarely has any pills to 'contain' the sickness.
I am not going to lie, the first time I saw this entry, I thought that it was not a singular action/chase scene, but glimpses of what Tim (in Masky state) had been going through for god-knows how long trying to catch up to Hoody since the beginning of the entry.
Nevertheless the arguments regarding this being a full blown, singular time-warped infested chase scene also sounds and seems to be plausible if not correct, but my initial response was definitely that Tim was Masky, and this is how Masky sees and behaves...in bits and pieces, with tons of gaps in memory.

Also I am really beginning to feel like TO is like Pyramid Head. With all these 'He is a liar' writings, the emphasis on truths and lies, makes me feel like they all *did* something, and Alex has been trying to keep it a secret. TO is the ugly truth that you have to face, which for them is 'unknown and faceless'. I don't know but there is definitely a fact that is being hidden, by someone that clearly knows what it is, but is unable to just clearly say it.

In any case, best entry ever?

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ShadowCross wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
That was good.
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There was one scene that stood out for me, amongst distortion etc there was a clip of Jay's body at the bottom of the ladder to Tim's attic, with someone descending, I don't know why though

Also, the previously closed hospital doors opening scared the sh*t out of me.


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That wasn't Jay


Also just noticed something, this is chest cam footage but Tim's wearing it in this frame?


I think there's a theory for this. The Operator doesn't have a face, sure. But somehow he can still see things, possibly through the images in the cameras, which is how The Operator appeared in Amy's home in Entry #26 after freezing for a bit when the camera focused on Alex. If it's possible that the Operator can see through cameras, then at this point when it is much stronger (he causes seizures, more video distortion, etc.) I wouldn't be surprised if it could imitate a camera's behavior and actually send its recorded images to Tim's chest cam. Which explains how we can see

tl;dr
Tim laying down with his chest camera, he's being watched by the Operator, and the Operator is then sending his vision as signals to Tim's chest cam.

Just a thought.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:02 pm
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Sidenote
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 		Holy shit, that was great!

The hoody tease was unreal, but I'm not even mad. This was the entry I was after, ~5 minutes of craziness. My favourite entry definitely.

As it stands:
1.83
2.72
3.80
4.82
5.54

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Marble Hornets
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evanx275h wrote:
I'm surprised nobody shared the frame of Masky; easily one of the coolest snippets of the fast-moving stuff:




this was posted well before you posted it

lots of pictures were posted on the first 6 or so pages, i bet everyone just ignored those since there's 14 pages of posts

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Randozed
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 		Am I the only one dissapointed by this Entry?

Sure, it's really cool with all the flashy operator teleporty stuff, but this entry just didn't seem like it was going anywhere, just another chance to say "YOU'RE THE REASON FOR THIS TIM" and tease at hoodies identity.

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be an entry, but, for it getting close to endgame, this just sort of seemed like filler.

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badqer
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Randozed wrote:
Am I the only one dissapointed by this Entry?

Sure, it's really cool with all the flashy operator teleporty stuff, but this entry just didn't seem like it was going anywhere, just another chance to say "YOU'RE THE REASON FOR THIS TIM" and tease at hoodies identity.

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be an entry, but, for it getting close to endgame, this just sort of seemed like filler.


One of the main antagonists probably died in this video, how could that be filler?


Also, I agree with others on the idea that the operator can sort of glitch his own view onto recordings. Otherwise, Tim is being teleported to multiple places at once, which opens a whole mess of timey-wimey stuff.

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fezstudios
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 		Found this on tumblr, nobody else has brought this up yet.

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BetaPix
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 		What does Tim say at 3:17, just before "You don't belong here, why did you bring me here"? I hear something like "Where'd you been?", but I'm not sure.

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Ascalondion
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ziggazern wrote:
Food for thought.

The editing on this video looks like TTA, because this is how it is to live and record with high levels of slendersickness.
Keep in mind that this is the first time we've had camera recording while the recorder was in a 'Masky' state (I am sure a few of us can agree about this regarding some scenes with Tim in this entry).
TTA videos always have editing like this (even though the 'intensity' of the distortions can vary) because, well, Hoody is always sick and rarely has any pills to 'contain' the sickness.
I am not going to lie, the first time I saw this entry, I thought that it was not a singular action/chase scene, but glimpses of what Tim (in Masky state) had been going through for god-knows how long trying to catch up to Hoody since the beginning of the entry.
Nevertheless the arguments regarding this being a full blown, singular time-warped infested chase scene also sounds and seems to be plausible if not correct, but my initial response was definitely that Tim was Masky, and this is how Masky sees and behaves...in bits and pieces, with tons of gaps in memory.

Also I am really beginning to feel like TO is like Pyramid Head. With all these 'He is a liar' writings, the emphasis on truths and lies, makes me feel like they all *did* something, and Alex has been trying to keep it a secret. TO is the ugly truth that you have to face, which for them is 'unknown and faceless'. I don't know but there is definitely a fact that is being hidden, by someone that clearly knows what it is, but is unable to just clearly say it.

In any case, best entry ever?


I like the thought, and felt like this is what's happening while watching too. I also like that you brought up the possibility that this is not just one chase, but rather a „best of" of prior altercations between Tim and Hoody. Still, I'm unsure about the messages, and the edits. Does Tim "see" what the camera "sees"? Is Tim too seeing a "Your Fault" flashing at around 4:35? Is Tim too seeing that thing at 3:24 that could be an old fire bell? Is Tim too seeing himself at the bottom of a stair while a person walks down the ladder?

My best guess right now would be that this further strengthens a theory, on which the distortion on the camera is influenced by the emotions of camera wielder. So Tim, by struggling with Hoody, thinks of or is emotional inclined to think at a certain person we can dimly see at around 3:09. When being teleported to the hospital, he thinks of the fire and the fire bell. When reading all those notes, reading "your fault", that very "your fault" appears on camera.

But this thought only goes so far. It does not explain, why there are "your fault" notes in the first place. It does not explain how the chest cam has footage of Tim with his chest cam. It does not explain where the chest cam is, if the last seconds of the video are indeed not from the chest cam. And so forth. (Gorram Tim, a short overlay text like "This was one the camera I found when I woke up. I don't know how this is possible." or "I don't know why the chest cam was standing there when I woke up on that field. I don't remember anything of this." would have made me much happier.)

Randozed wrote:

Am I the only one dissapointed by this Entry?

Sure, it's really cool with all the flashy operator teleporty stuff, but this entry just didn't seem like it was going anywhere, just another chance to say "YOU'RE THE REASON FOR THIS TIM" and tease at hoodies identity.

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be an entry, but, for it getting close to endgame, this just sort of seemed like filler.

Yeah, I feel the same. I mean, really cool stuff. But it does not advance the "story" any further, except for the fact the we probably won't see Hoody in any preset day footage again. (Hoorayy, again one character less to think about. .... =( Tim-Alex showdown seems like the only possible thing right now.)

@badqer: Well, I don't like the term "filler" either, but doesn it feel like the supposed death of Hoody is serving no purpose to the story other than letting Hoody die? I hope that tape
he had is going to be a real doozy. Wink

And now, something completely different.
In recent discussions it was brought up that TO seems rather tame, because he only appears when the characters start to creep in eerie locations, the burned down hospital, Rosswood, or when Alex hurts someone. Now we have something new. TO appeared in a normal floor, just when Hoody and Tim had a "meeting". Jay sat in that building, and even encounter Hoody there without any Operator showing up. So what triggered TO appear? Tim's going Masky? But why, then, does Hoody, who seems to be on the run from TO like the whole time, WANTS that Tim goes Masky? Can we learn anything about either Hoodys or TOs motives from that?

/edit @fezstudios That is really something! 0.o

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Beidah wrote:
Aram wrote:
Are the edits from missing time or missing tape?

It was my interpretations there weren't any actual edits. Time and space just got all funky and weird things happened.


I was thinking this too, especially since a lot of the "cuts" involve Tim's momentum and positions following through into the next scenes.
Like when he fell down that hill.

And especially that part where Hoody hits Tim and you see two clips overlayed on each other.
Both clips show the same thing taking place at the same time but at different locations and you can even see Hoody attempting to escape down the hallway in the first location but is shocked to see the wall from the second location blocking him.

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badqer wrote:
Randozed wrote:
Am I the only one dissapointed by this Entry?

Sure, it's really cool with all the flashy operator teleporty stuff, but this entry just didn't seem like it was going anywhere, just another chance to say "YOU'RE THE REASON FOR THIS TIM" and tease at hoodies identity.

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be an entry, but, for it getting close to endgame, this just sort of seemed like filler.


One of the main antagonists probably died in this video, how could that be filler?


Hoody is not dead. That was a one-story fall and a sorry excuse for a death. Paralysed, maybe. Not dead. I expect Tim will find Hoody holed up and trying to recover next entry and take the chance to rip the mask off.

In other words, this entry would prove to be the stepping stone to the reveal. Also I feel this cleared up things about the hospital a bit more. It might be all we're getting, as they don't want to spell out every single mystery. We can probably reason from what we have that Tim started the fire because he was in denial about being crazy/was running from TO and the operator doors were probably where they gave him some kind of therapy.

Oh and Tim got his pills back, which concludes that little plot point for now. And a new tape as well. So definitely not filler.

fezstudios wrote:
Found this on tumblr, nobody else has brought this up yet.


Oh, very very interesting. Took me a sec to realise many of the rooms in the hospital are similar so OOG they obviously just shot in a different room. A lot of cool editing techniques in this entry.

So if TO can show us things from, what, 18 years ago, I suppose their time warping abilities are a lot stronger than we thought. But before anyone says, they still brought it in too late if they want people to buy Hoody being Future Jay.

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 		As Hoody shook the pills and then proceeded to give Tim the mask, it was kinda like he was saying, "Put on the mask and do what I say and you get the pills."

It makes me believe that Hoody has actually been manipulating Tim this entire time in exchange for pills.

So maybe Tim really is a liar when he says that he doesn't remember anything. Because if Hoody has been forcing Tim to do things he didn't want to do all along in exchange for pills, then Tim might remember what he did during season 1 and 2.

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 		First off, wow. I was hoping for some new information, but this was good too. I loved this Entry more than I've loved any new entry.

Some thoughts. At around 2:35, you can just barely make out that Hoody had turned and seen the Operator, and it looked like he was also going to run away. I too thought they were with each other at first, but now I can see that wasn't quite the case.

I also think it would be disappointing for Hoody to die via one story fall.

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