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Sha Noran
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420Goku wrote:
The last we saw of Hoody is him lying motionless in the same exact spot in slenderworld that we saw Bruce (the one person we all can basically agree IS dead). Can we all agree that despite whatever weird empirical shit you guys are trying to argue over this isn't a good sign for Hoody? Combine that with Null which seems like a farewell TTA vid centered around his death and I for one think he's either dead or at least stuck in the slenderworld forever (perhaps that's the ark?) in a kind of "death."

If I had to make a guess I'd say we're very close to the end game here. I think the next entry will be the tape from Hoody that reveals a crapload of info and then he'll confront Alex (the only other person remaining alive) and that'll basically be the end. IMO if they try to throw in anymore things that don't resolve plot tensions already existing it'll just make things bloated.

But holy shit guys. I mean I've been watching this series since I was 14 and I'm 19 now and this shit's finally wrapping up! It's exciting!

Oh and seriously guys, stop fucking bleating around about people "making assumptions" - obviously everyone here's making up theories that might not be true. No shit! That's kinda the point. If your theories don't match with someones that doesn't mean you yell at them. Peace.


All of this, QFT. I wish you posted more 420Goku, you always are very appropriately blunt and comical about it. Your insight regarding the imminent endgame is good, and we've all been following this shit for so long, it is pretty crazy to think about. It's also bizarre to apply the OOG time to the IG characters... It adds to the tension, and you feel Tim's anger when he sees Hoody and screams I'LL KILL YOU (ala Alex, interestingly enough) before giving chase; Tim is pissed and scared, and this Hooded asshoke stalks him and talks shit and posts it online and steals the pills he NEEDS for his mental health instability, and this guy has been fucking his shit up for years. Tim punched Jay in the face when he saw what Jay had been putting on YouTube, and Jay was mostly neutral/suspicious. Hoody has been shitting on Tim much longer, with much more damaging footage and specifically targeted negativity... And just baited his BFF Jay into a death trap. Tim is sad, angry, panicked and desperate and you can feel it in his behavior.

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Sha Noran
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paladin181 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
found this

http://www.hospital-forms.com/272.pdf

same exact form from 60.5

maybe we can find the others? i think the redacted info is just stuff they couldn't use from what it looks like
We already did that in the 60.5 thread.


Yeah, good detective work but he's right - that was already found a while ago.

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 		Alright, the last thing I'm going to say about this Hoody Bullshit is that, if you are really "just making theories," then you shouldn't be getting so pissed off that people are criticizing the basis behind them. Saying that "our theories" aren't any better is a sign that the argument went way over your head, because "his fate is unclear" isn't a damn "theory."

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Lithp wrote:
Alright, the last thing I'm going to say about this Hoody Bullshit is that, if you are really "just making theories," then you shouldn't be getting so pissed off that people are criticizing the basis behind them. Saying that "our theories" aren't any better is a sign that the argument went way over your head, because "his fate is unclear" isn't a damn "theory."


Yeah, understandingly, this is not leading anywhere in the current form of the discussion.
However, from my point of view, it weren't the "Hoody's dead"-assumer who started this fight. As far as I can reconstruct it, and also restate what made me comment on this, there were two posts by "Hoody's alive"-assumers, who didn't just developed a theory or thought about that, but rather a) questioned the logic of anyone who assumed that Hoody is dead and b) stated that those people were annoying.

Well, although I'm definitely a "Hoody's dead"-assumer, I'd be intrigued to read a good theory or thought on why he is alive, and would have fun to argue about that, as long as we aim at the arguments, not the people formulating the arguments. But if someones says that I'm unable to think logically and that also I'm annoying, just because I argue for a certain theory, than I'm inclined to make a stand against that.

So, to not end this post with such negativity, has anyone found more sound pieces that could be edited into something understandable? I still feel as if the noises after Tims question could be some sort of distorted language, but since I'm rather inept with sound editing, I wasn't able so get anything out of that by randomly slowing it up and down or changing the pitch. Anyone else?

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Lithp wrote:
1. Where, specifically, did Hoody predict his own death?

2. The irony just hit me that you guys are appealing to Occam's Razor, even though so many of you have bitched about it because "it doesn't apply to drama."

3. Falls do not, as a rule, indicate death in fiction. This is so widely known, I can't believe I'm suddenly hearing otherwise.

4. Bruce is not the same situation, because his head was crushed, which is pretty much instant death, & we saw his unchanged corpse, literally years later. He COULD still be alive, in some way, but there is a lot more evidence supporting him being dead than any of the others. He was also a bystander, while Tim, Jay, & Alex (who have each coincidentally evaded death for 80 or so Entries despite being at the mercy of an attacker & The Operator several times) seem to be somehow important to the events.


Lithp wrote:
Alright, the last thing I'm going to say about this Hoody Bullshit is that, if you are really "just making theories," then you shouldn't be getting so pissed off that people are criticizing the basis behind them. Saying that "our theories" aren't any better is a sign that the argument went way over your head, because "his fate is unclear" isn't a damn "theory."

Thank you. You said everything I was thinking.

DHawk314 wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Xman wrote:
It's really annoying that a lot of you think Hoody is dead. Why in the hell do any of you think that? That fall would not kill you. It would hurt, sure, but it's stupid to jump to conclusions that he died right there. There is absolutely nothing that confirms it. At all. Hell, who knows if Jay is even dead? I know he was shot, bleeding and looks dead, but you never know if some weird Operator shit might happen where he comes back. Same thing goes for Brian and Jessica, especially since you don't see what caused their possible death.


Slipping in the bathtub can kill you. If he landed wrong and broke his neck that fall could have killed him. The biggest reason we think he's dead is because he predicted his own death in the TTA video just before this entry.


Also, TO showed up right after a person got hurt/knocked out. I think it is safe to assume that we know what most likely happend after that ...

Not saying that Hoody is definetly gone, but I don't understand people who can't see why we assume that he is. Yes, there might be a twist in which all the folks are alive and kicking, but that would be a twist for a reason.


Yeah exactly that. Also, if someone fell IRL from a height like that, you might say "Well maybe they're alive" but this is a work of drama. In TV shows when a character falls from a height and is suddenly still, you're supposed to assume they're dead. If they're not dead, it's the writers trying to surprise you with that.

Like, it's totally fine if you wanna think he turns out to be alive, but don't say it's annoying we think he's dead, cause we're supposed to think that either way.

That's a bit far fetched. So everytime someone falls in a piece of fiction, you're supposed to assume they're dead? I'm sorry, but that's asinine and just plain poor. Since when has that been a rule or guideline? I've never heard of that.

And alright, it's fine if you guys think Hoody is dead I guess, but the way some of you are talking strongly implies that his death is confirmed, which is just completely ridiculous. That's the thing that was annoying me so much.

And yes, it's certainly possible that you can die from slipping in the bathtub, but a fall from the height Hoody fell would most likely not kill you. If Hoody really died right there, that would be the most pathetic and anti-climactic death for a character like that.

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gennerx wrote:
Hoody predicted his death several times.

The first was in Decay which contained the words
LEAD ME TO THE ARK
LEAD ME TO DEATH

Pretty straight forward there

Then in Quadrant he wrote
Who Am I The third

This indicates two other people are dead and he was to be the third

Then most recently in Null he wrote
Ark Awaits

This referrers back to Decay. If Ark awaits so does his death.
The "Regards" at the end can also be interpreted as a farewell.


The two more recent TTA videos are open to interpretation but Decay is pretty clear regarding his death.


I got the impression from Decay as well that Hoody wants to die. But they still might not be talking about their own death. And either way, it wouldn't mean that this particular entry is Hoody's death. In fact, the idea that Hoody wanted to die in this entry makes even less sense. If so, what did Hoody actually accomplish? Alex, who TTA said "will never be forgiven" is still roaming free and Hoody doesn't seem to have got what they wanted from the ark yet.

Although come to think of it, maybe Hoody wanted The Operator to catch them or at least knew it was inevitable, so that they could be transported to the ark/TO's realm themselves. Of course, being transported there dead is worthless, though this entry only gives us reason to believe Hoody is down, not necessarily out.

It does seem like TO's realm is the ark and Hoody has been trying to get everyone to go there. Jay was shot by Alex and then taken by TO, Hoody was taken there this entry and might stay there and Hoody also tried to make Tim go Masky this entry, which would make him obedient again. Although if Hoody's staying in the ark, it does make me wonder what Tim's next moves are, now that he and Alex are supposedly the only ones not there. Maybe Hoody's tape will instruct Tim on what he should next, as often happens.

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Lithp wrote:
Alright, the last thing I'm going to say about this Hoody Bullshit is that, if you are really "just making theories," then you shouldn't be getting so pissed off that people are criticizing the basis behind them. Saying that "our theories" aren't any better is a sign that the argument went way over your head, because "his fate is unclear" isn't a damn "theory."


If you are speaking to me I was only saying that in response to people saying they were getting "annoyed" or some shit. Just... chill out man this is just a forum for a youtube series.

If you want to continually point out that his fate is unclear that's fine by me -- about 80% of things in this series are unclear.

Anyways I'll stop continuing this stupid argument now sorry.

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Xman wrote:
Lithp wrote:
1. Where, specifically, did Hoody predict his own death?

2. The irony just hit me that you guys are appealing to Occam's Razor, even though so many of you have bitched about it because "it doesn't apply to drama."

3. Falls do not, as a rule, indicate death in fiction. This is so widely known, I can't believe I'm suddenly hearing otherwise.

4. Bruce is not the same situation, because his head was crushed, which is pretty much instant death, & we saw his unchanged corpse, literally years later. He COULD still be alive, in some way, but there is a lot more evidence supporting him being dead than any of the others. He was also a bystander, while Tim, Jay, & Alex (who have each coincidentally evaded death for 80 or so Entries despite being at the mercy of an attacker & The Operator several times) seem to be somehow important to the events.


Lithp wrote:
Alright, the last thing I'm going to say about this Hoody Bullshit is that, if you are really "just making theories," then you shouldn't be getting so pissed off that people are criticizing the basis behind them. Saying that "our theories" aren't any better is a sign that the argument went way over your head, because "his fate is unclear" isn't a damn "theory."

Thank you. You said everything I was thinking.

DHawk314 wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Xman wrote:
It's really annoying that a lot of you think Hoody is dead. Why in the hell do any of you think that? That fall would not kill you. It would hurt, sure, but it's stupid to jump to conclusions that he died right there. There is absolutely nothing that confirms it. At all. Hell, who knows if Jay is even dead? I know he was shot, bleeding and looks dead, but you never know if some weird Operator shit might happen where he comes back. Same thing goes for Brian and Jessica, especially since you don't see what caused their possible death.


Slipping in the bathtub can kill you. If he landed wrong and broke his neck that fall could have killed him. The biggest reason we think he's dead is because he predicted his own death in the TTA video just before this entry.


Also, TO showed up right after a person got hurt/knocked out. I think it is safe to assume that we know what most likely happend after that ...

Not saying that Hoody is definetly gone, but I don't understand people who can't see why we assume that he is. Yes, there might be a twist in which all the folks are alive and kicking, but that would be a twist for a reason.


Yeah exactly that. Also, if someone fell IRL from a height like that, you might say "Well maybe they're alive" but this is a work of drama. In TV shows when a character falls from a height and is suddenly still, you're supposed to assume they're dead. If they're not dead, it's the writers trying to surprise you with that.

Like, it's totally fine if you wanna think he turns out to be alive, but don't say it's annoying we think he's dead, cause we're supposed to think that either way.

That's a bit far fetched. So everytime someone falls in a piece of fiction, you're supposed to assume they're dead? I'm sorry, but that's asinine and just plain poor. Since when has that been a rule or guideline? I've never heard of that.

And alright, it's fine if you guys think Hoody is dead I guess, but the way some of you are talking strongly implies that his death is confirmed, which is just completely ridiculous. That's the thing that was annoying me so much.

And yes, it's certainly possible that you can die from slipping in the bathtub, but a fall from the height Hoody fell would most likely not kill you. If Hoody really died right there, that would be the most pathetic and anti-climactic death for a character like that.


I'll spoiler tag because I guess many are already unnvered by that discussion, and it is a rather meta-discussion (at least for me)

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I don't think that it is that ridiculous to assume that Hoody is dead. Again, if you want to put forward a theory or elaborate a thought on which we will see Hoody still creeping around the next entries, please go ahead. But just don't say "IRL that fall is not necessarily lethal. Therefore, you're stupid to assume he is dead."

And I don't see why DHawks example is far fetched. Yes, not every fall in a dramatic piece is lethal. But I would be rather perplexed if the intention of that fall was to portray that Hoody is alive. I guess there are infinitely many better ways to show that a character survived a dramatic chase than to show him falling several feet on his back, not moving since then, not reacting to being robbed by another person, and then appear in a strange place in way that is reminiscent of another person that most likely is dead. (Bruce, #65)

Again, I don't want to say that is impossible that Hoody is alive, and I actually doubt that many believe that. Even if they are saying that take it for granted that Hoody is dead, they do not mean that the show will become inconsistent or retconned once Hoody may show up in the future. But as things stand right now, the show did it's best to make us believe that Hoody is dead, even though it did not nail the coffin.

Let's just take stock of what the show shows us:

Hoody:
- … fell down a considerably (tough not necessarily lethal) height.
- ... didn't move after that.
- … was lying helplessly around as the Operator approached.
- … was still lying unconscious in theplaceofnolight – reminiscent of Bruce.

Which of these points make it "ridiculous" to assume that he is either dead or "gone"?
(Again, none of these points "prove" that he is dead, but I feel they are a reasonable foundation for assuming he is.)

So what I would want to hear from someone who denies that Hoody is dead would be something like that:

Yeah, looks dire for Hoody, but:
1) #71 Shows Jay lying around helplessly too, but he wasn't dead after that.
2) Both Tim and Jay have been abducted by TO and didn't die from that. So if that Fall didn't kill him, then TO probably did neither.
3) Tim was in theplaceofnolight at least twice and he is still alive.
4) The characters are often in theplaceofnolight, particulary when they blackout. Just because Bruce was dead there, doesn't mean you have to be dead to be there. (See 3))

Along these points we can argue whether or not Hoody is dead. But to simply deny that #83 at least tries to portray it as if Hoody died does not seem like fruitful way to an argument. Unless you give an argument which shows that falling, not moving, being looted and teleported in a similar way to almost certain dead person is indeed a good way to establish that a character as alive.


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 		On hoody's 'death'

When I watched the entry I assumed he was unconscious, it didn't even cross my mind he was dead until I read the forums, and thusly, I'll be a little annoyed if he's dead as I think it should have been made more obvious. Hoody has been proven in the past to be strong and resilient, so I think he would have known how to survive such a short fall, and manipulate his position before landing.

I don't think it's ridiculous that some people suspect he's dead, a few arguments support this. And I'm going to assume until we have more information his fate is diliberately unclear.

What I do think is ridiculous is people speculating that Jays alive and hoody is dead, I mean Jay was shot on camera, and his lifeless, bloody corpse was shown multiple times in this video hoody fell <10ft and was shown once, not moving but possibly making noises.

Other than that, I think ascalondion's post sums up my thoughts.

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 		I think that Hoody is either dead or at least seriously injured, but I also think that his story isn't quite done yet. We'll probably at least hear more about him before the series is over.

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 		The way I look at the whole "is Hoody dead or alive" debate (and really, Jay as well) is that it's very similar to the way some people look at other series regarding character deaths (manly dramatic serials). For instance, take the show Prison Break. I don't know if anyone else has seen the show, but even though it's almost 10 years old (and indeed ended before MH even began), I'll spoiler tag my examples, just in case.

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Paul Kellerman was assumed dead toward the end of Season 2, when he was ambushed on the way to prison and (presumably) killed. However, we had no canon proof that he was actually killed, and indeed, he came back to basically save everyone at the end of the series.

In the same show, Sara was killed as well in Season 3, and this time we did have actual, canon proof that she was killed -- while we, the viewers didn't actually get to see anything, Lincoln saw her decapitated head in a box. That's pretty good proof she was dead. In fact, before the plot switch, Michael avenging her death was the driving force for the plot in the first few minutes of Season 4, until it was revealed that she was actually still alive. Call it an asspull by the writers if you'd like, but considering how well connected Gretchen was, it's pretty easy to see how she'd be able to use the head of a cadaver (as she said) and possibly even have plastic surgery done on it to more resemble Sara.


/unrelated series rambling

Anyway, my point with all this is, I don't know about the rest of you, but if Hoody or Jay end up alive, I won't find it to be too surprising, but if they are indeed dead, the evidence is there.

(Not that it matters, but I'm on board with the theory that they're both still alive.)
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 		I've been thinking about that shot of Tim sitting slumped at the foot of the ladder leading up to his attic. We've covered how it looks just like the way Jay ('s body) was propped up in Tim's house, and even the way Jay was propped up against the wall in Return. But you know what else it reminded me of? Alex, in entry #44. The shot where he was slumped on the floor against the wall, and then a shadow passes over him as if someone 9or something) had walked between Alex and the light. I have no idea what it could mean or what significance it has, but it did catch my attention.

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 		It doesn't seem like Hoody fell intentionally.
If you look at this frame
you can see him trying to get back into the room. Or maybe he's climbing out.

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 		May have been discussed already, but is there any chance Hoody would want to purposely go to OPy-land? (Dark World/whatever)

May be a bit off-topic, but what does OPy-land (That's what I'm calling it) have in store? Ever think there might be a whole entry based on it?

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 		hold up. if hoody's really dead(probably not), then... is the totheark channel going to be abandoned? Shocked

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