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Lithp
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JAL13 wrote:
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Ghost shows, as a rule, ARE acted terribly & run by tool bags. Something seriously creepy & hard to explain only happens occasionally, so the vast majority of episodes in the vast majority of these series are just filler. To get people buying it, you need the "investigators" to really hype it up. It doesn't help that they're narrowing themselves down to such a small subject as ghosts.


I'm glad im not the only one who see it in that way. My guilty pleasure is Ghost Mine, but if it wasn't for the hot red headed woman I probably wouldn't watch it as often as I do.


I was really big on paranormal stuff back in the late 90's, & I find it interesting even now that I know the logical explanation for most of it. But what I really find interesting is something really creepy that's also hard to explain, & I just feel like the preponderance of copycat ghost shows has reduced them to mostly being all "Look at these orbs! And listen to our weird static! Ooooo sooo spoooookyyyyy!"

Oh, & when they are obviously faking it or get caught doing so, I do so loathe that. Just make a documentary-style horror series, don't lie & claim that shit is actually happening. At least gullibility is genuine.

Some things I will tune into every now & again in the hopes that I will be surprised, so it's not like I'm telling anyone not to watch.

I've never heard of Ghost Mine, but I have definitely watched shows for entirely that reason.

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Lithp wrote:
I was JUST thinking that EMH liked to toss out thank you comments every now & again, & it's one of those things that I think it does really well. Sadly, the participation element seems to have seriously waned since I joined. I was also thinking that an alternative explanation is that people might become so focused on their own problems that they start to take the audience for granted, see them as unhelpful, or even consider updating them to be a chore. Of course, if this were true, it wouldn't really make sense that Jay & Tim continued to upload things to YouTube.


I recently got into both MH and EMH (as in, within the last two weeks), so it was kind of a shock to go through the timelines on wikis and note how many tweets (and box/trial videos in the case of EMH) there were in the beginning vs. now for both these ARGs.

But... it also makes sense? I think the biggest thing that throws me off as far as immersion with MH (and the Slenderverse in general) is sharing the footage online. I can't believe someone would continue to post this stuff after all the hell these characters have been through, no matter how supportive a bunch of random people on the internet are about it. If I was living with the knowledge that a silent, horrifying presence was potentially stalking my every movement, I would hardly be able to sit comfortably in front of a computer screen for hours on end reviewing or editing footage. Like, no. No. I can hardly do it now without turning around because the shows alone have me spooked, and I know it's fiction. I can understand recording everything out of paranoia and sure, going through it all too... but not posting it on youtube on top of that. There's a point at which that would quickly feel pointless anyway, considering their circumstances. So the current trend of those two productions of slowing down the interaction makes sense to me in an IG sense. You're right though; following that logic, it doesn't make sense that they'd bother uploading videos anymore either. If it was all real, they would just stop and no one would ever know what happened. Real life can be abrupt and unsatisfying like that.

... And, as has been mentioned before, there would be a lot more cursing and the dialogue in general would be a lot different if MH happened IRL. Lots more cursing. I do think MH's laser-guided plot dialogue makes sense, though. If I knew this stuff was real and I was a target, I'd hardly be able to talk or think about anything else either.

(Also, hi everyone!)

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bbtango wrote:

I recently got into both MH and EMH (as in, within the last two weeks), so it was kind of a shock to go through the timelines on wikis and note how many tweets (and box/trial videos in the case of EMH) there were in the beginning vs. now for both these ARGs.

But... it also makes sense? I think the biggest thing that throws me off as far as immersion with MH (and the Slenderverse in general) is sharing the footage online. I can't believe someone would continue to post this stuff after all the hell these characters have been through, no matter how supportive a bunch of random people on the internet are about it. If I was living with the knowledge that a silent, horrifying presence was potentially stalking my every movement, I would hardly be able to sit comfortably in front of a computer screen for hours on end reviewing or editing footage. Like, no. No. I can hardly do it now without turning around because the shows alone have me spooked, and I know it's fiction. I can understand recording everything out of paranoia and sure, going through it all too... but not posting it on youtube on top of that. There's a point at which that would quickly feel pointless anyway, considering their circumstances. So the current trend of those two productions of slowing down the interaction makes sense to me in an IG sense. You're right though; following that logic, it doesn't make sense that they'd bother uploading videos anymore either. If it was all real, they would just stop and no one would ever know what happened. Real life can be abrupt and unsatisfying like that.

... And, as has been mentioned before, there would be a lot more cursing and the dialogue in general would be a lot different if MH happened IRL. Lots more cursing. I do think MH's laser-guided plot dialogue makes sense, though. If I knew this stuff was real and I was a target, I'd hardly be able to talk or think about anything else either.

(Also, hi everyone!)


Great post, nicely sums up how I've always felt about it. I like the current time blog/found footage way of doing it, but that has always been on my mind. I think a slender series that was done like a regular show rather than found footage would eliminate that problem, though then you'd lose all the cool camera effects like distortion, as there'd be no reason for it - didn't they talk about something like this on the 2nd posdcast, or am I misremembering?
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JAL13
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Lithp wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Lithp wrote:

Ghost shows, as a rule, ARE acted terribly & run by tool bags. Something seriously creepy & hard to explain only happens occasionally, so the vast majority of episodes in the vast majority of these series are just filler. To get people buying it, you need the "investigators" to really hype it up. It doesn't help that they're narrowing themselves down to such a small subject as ghosts.


I'm glad im not the only one who see it in that way. My guilty pleasure is Ghost Mine, but if it wasn't for the hot red headed woman I probably wouldn't watch it as often as I do.


I was really big on paranormal stuff back in the late 90's, & I find it interesting even now that I know the logical explanation for most of it. But what I really find interesting is something really creepy that's also hard to explain, & I just feel like the preponderance of copycat ghost shows has reduced them to mostly being all "Look at these orbs! And listen to our weird static! Ooooo sooo spoooookyyyyy!"

Oh, & when they are obviously faking it or get caught doing so, I do so loathe that. Just make a documentary-style horror series, don't lie & claim that shit is actually happening. At least gullibility is genuine.

Some things I will tune into every now & again in the hopes that I will be surprised, so it's not like I'm telling anyone not to watch.

I've never heard of Ghost Mine, but I have definitely watched shows for entirely that reason.


I agree completely haha! By the way: Young Vincent is awesome.

There's acting and then there is stage acting. I find a lot of them stage act which doesn't transfer well into movie or television show acting. "Looks at these orbs!" would be stage acting while the other type may say something less pronounced and obvious than that.

Trust me when I say you can tell stage acting when you hear it because it sounds unnatural when its not on stage.

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bbtango wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I was JUST thinking that EMH liked to toss out thank you comments every now & again, & it's one of those things that I think it does really well. Sadly, the participation element seems to have seriously waned since I joined. I was also thinking that an alternative explanation is that people might become so focused on their own problems that they start to take the audience for granted, see them as unhelpful, or even consider updating them to be a chore. Of course, if this were true, it wouldn't really make sense that Jay & Tim continued to upload things to YouTube.


I recently got into both MH and EMH (as in, within the last two weeks), so it was kind of a shock to go through the timelines on wikis and note how many tweets (and box/trial videos in the case of EMH) there were in the beginning vs. now for both these ARGs.

But... it also makes sense? I think the biggest thing that throws me off as far as immersion with MH (and the Slenderverse in general) is sharing the footage online. I can't believe someone would continue to post this stuff after all the hell these characters have been through, no matter how supportive a bunch of random people on the internet are about it. If I was living with the knowledge that a silent, horrifying presence was potentially stalking my every movement, I would hardly be able to sit comfortably in front of a computer screen for hours on end reviewing or editing footage. Like, no. No. I can hardly do it now without turning around because the shows alone have me spooked, and I know it's fiction. I can understand recording everything out of paranoia and sure, going through it all too... but not posting it on youtube on top of that. There's a point at which that would quickly feel pointless anyway, considering their circumstances. So the current trend of those two productions of slowing down the interaction makes sense to me in an IG sense. You're right though; following that logic, it doesn't make sense that they'd bother uploading videos anymore either. If it was all real, they would just stop and no one would ever know what happened. Real life can be abrupt and unsatisfying like that.

... And, as has been mentioned before, there would be a lot more cursing and the dialogue in general would be a lot different if MH happened IRL. Lots more cursing. I do think MH's laser-guided plot dialogue makes sense, though. If I knew this stuff was real and I was a target, I'd hardly be able to talk or think about anything else either.

(Also, hi everyone!)


Sorry about the double post, but just loved your comment a lot.

Anyway, I think EMH was even mentioned by the MH cast as being pretty good. I loved how they started out as a work out video, then thought someone was pranking them, made a threat to the prankster, and then hell broke loose from there. Not to mention the guy who plays Evan makes a great villain and his a good actor, but I agree when you say that most normal people would stop filming because it would be too hard to keep uploading your personal life and all the crap that's going on with it.

Jay had even tried to stop at one point, but was dragged back into it. EMH joined up with TriveTwelve OOG which, personally, I think ruined a lot of potential they had going for them which is also why the interaction decreased. I thought as a stand alone series that EMH was good.

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JAL13 wrote:
Sorry about the double post, but just loved your comment a lot.

Anyway, I think EMH was even mentioned by the MH cast as being pretty good. I loved how they started out as a work out video, then thought someone was pranking them, made a threat to the prankster, and then hell broke loose from there. Not to mention the guy who plays Evan makes a great villain and his a good actor, but I agree when you say that most normal people would stop filming because it would be too hard to keep uploading your personal life and all the crap that's going on with it.

Jay had even tried to stop at one point, but was dragged back into it. EMH joined up with TriveTwelve OOG which, personally, I think ruined a lot of potential they had going for them which is also why the interaction decreased. I thought as a stand alone series that EMH was good.


Thanks! I'm not used to posting on forums, so that's encouraging to hear right off the bat.

I only went on to watch EMH because it is noted on the TVTropes page as being one of the MH creators' favorites, and I'm happy I did. I don't have much experience with other ARG/shows so far but I have a feeling I'm going to look back on EMH's clever meta opening episodes with great fondness. It's a brilliant way to spin off an idea that's already made a significant mark online (and taking a refreshingly different approach). The moment EMH started working for me, however, is when (I don't know if this counts as a spoiler anymore, but hey...)
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HABIT posted the video revealing that the Hybrids were leaving significant things out of the videos--intentionally or not--and making it clear we were dealing with unreliable narrators. (At least, that's how I took it... some people theorize it's HABIT time traveling, though that seems like a shot in the dark to me.)
It worked because up until then it didn't make sense that they were becoming aware that supernatural creatures (plural!) were stalking them and yet they still felt comfortable doing things like chilling outside with friends at night. Really, guys?

Haven't started TribeTwelve yet so I don't know how influential it really is in EMH's story, but as long as EMH doesn't get so wrapped up in TT's business that they forget their own, they'll probably be okay story-wise.

To bring this back on topic, if Marble Hornets was real, imagine the awkwardness of Jay having the camera rolling while he pees (since he's got to film at all times, right?). And imagine the reactions of people who see a guy blatantly bringing a video camera into the men's restroom.

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bbtango wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I was JUST thinking that EMH liked to toss out thank you comments every now & again, & it's one of those things that I think it does really well. Sadly, the participation element seems to have seriously waned since I joined. I was also thinking that an alternative explanation is that people might become so focused on their own problems that they start to take the audience for granted, see them as unhelpful, or even consider updating them to be a chore. Of course, if this were true, it wouldn't really make sense that Jay & Tim continued to upload things to YouTube.


I recently got into both MH and EMH (as in, within the last two weeks), so it was kind of a shock to go through the timelines on wikis and note how many tweets (and box/trial videos in the case of EMH) there were in the beginning vs. now for both these ARGs.

But... it also makes sense? I think the biggest thing that throws me off as far as immersion with MH (and the Slenderverse in general) is sharing the footage online. I can't believe someone would continue to post this stuff after all the hell these characters have been through, no matter how supportive a bunch of random people on the internet are about it. If I was living with the knowledge that a silent, horrifying presence was potentially stalking my every movement, I would hardly be able to sit comfortably in front of a computer screen for hours on end reviewing or editing footage. Like, no. No. I can hardly do it now without turning around because the shows alone have me spooked, and I know it's fiction. I can understand recording everything out of paranoia and sure, going through it all too... but not posting it on youtube on top of that. There's a point at which that would quickly feel pointless anyway, considering their circumstances. So the current trend of those two productions of slowing down the interaction makes sense to me in an IG sense. You're right though; following that logic, it doesn't make sense that they'd bother uploading videos anymore either. If it was all real, they would just stop and no one would ever know what happened. Real life can be abrupt and unsatisfying like that.

... And, as has been mentioned before, there would be a lot more cursing and the dialogue in general would be a lot different if MH happened IRL. Lots more cursing. I do think MH's laser-guided plot dialogue makes sense, though. If I knew this stuff was real and I was a target, I'd hardly be able to talk or think about anything else either.

(Also, hi everyone!)


Hello and welcome! I think a lot of the shows have a protagonist who continues the vlog to avoid feeling completely isolated and alone. In MH specifically, Jay developed almost a fetish for filming his every action and finally could barely be removed from his camera for any time at all without him becoming hysterical. It seems to be a form of detaching himself from the situation so that he can mentally cope with the cthulu-esque shit going on... Tim's got his mask, Hoody has his hoody, and Jay has (had =[) his camera.

Also, as a counter point, if this were truly real and the channel went silent, there's no way there wouldn't be a fairly large group of people following it who decided to try and figure out what happened. Hell, the folks here at unFiction are used to being much more actively participatory in the stories here (ala ARG); MH is just more of a show than an ARG so that isn't really what's up with this one. We typically are SUPPOSED to be finding addresses in real life and the like, so if Slendy were real, I'm quite sure the stories on these YouTube channels would not fade into obscurity at all.

Finally, judging by your remarks, I'm guessing you would really enjoy Tribe Twelve and its protagonist Noah. You should definitely check it out, its the other really major Slenderman vlog along with MH and EMH. They're sort of the big 3, and if there was a big 4, the 4th would be DarkHarvest00. I'd recommend you look into TT though for sure, if you think it'd be more realistic if there were some swearing going on. =P

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 		Lot of interesting stuff in this thread. Unfortunately, had to ignore some of it, to keep on topic. Mostly.

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I recently got into both MH and EMH (as in, within the last two weeks), so it was kind of a shock to go through the timelines on wikis and note how many tweets (and box/trial videos in the case of EMH) there were in the beginning vs. now for both these ARGs.


I look at Marble Hornets a lot like a TV show, but EverymanHYBRID like I'm supposed to forget that HABIT is fake & thus cannot be lurking right outside my door. I can see the "cast" of EMH decreasing interaction with their "fans," but a lot of the interaction came from HABIT. Like that 7 Trials of HABIT thing. That is going to come back, right? And overall, I'm just disappointed that, by the time I finally got into it, I couldn't really get INTO it.

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(Also, hi everyone!)


Hey.

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I agree completely haha! By the way: Young Vincent is awesome.


Thanks. It was Grumplestiltskin's idea, but she hasn't posted in a while. Had something to do with the suit being reminiscent of Slenderman, & I most likely mentioned that Vincent is my favorite FFVII character. Thought all of that was very appropriate for an avatar, so I went with it.

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Anyway, I think EMH was even mentioned by the MH cast as being pretty good.


As I recall, Troy said that he doesn't like to watch Slendervlogs because it seems masturbatory, but he also explained that he didn't think that they were bad. He mentioned that he took a look at EMH & thought it was pretty interesting. It's tough for me to say this, but I think that fans overblew that comment a bit. They COULD be huge EMH fans, or Tribe Twelve, or anything else for that matter, I don't know, because they're not really specific, & this was a long time ago anyway. I know that the reverse is definitely true, the EMH cast are huge fans of Marble Hornets both in & out of game. Which is pretty cool.

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To bring this back on topic, if Marble Hornets was real, imagine the awkwardness of Jay having the camera rolling while he pees (since he's got to film at all times, right?). And imagine the reactions of people who see a guy blatantly bringing a video camera into the men's restroom.


I never thought of it that way. Seeing that he points that camera in everyone's face regardless of the context & never has a good excuse, I can totally see him doing this. Jay would never have a normal life again for that reason alone.

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Hello and welcome! I think a lot of the shows have a protagonist who continues the vlog to avoid feeling completely isolated and alone. In MH specifically, Jay developed almost a fetish for filming his every action and finally could barely be removed from his camera for any time at all without him becoming hysterical. It seems to be a form of detaching himself from the situation so that he can mentally cope with the cthulu-esque shit going on... Tim's got his mask, Hoody has his hoody, and Jay has (had =[) his camera.


Another thing that I never thought about before, but makes a lot of sense. I could also see Tim continuing the series as a way of keeping Jay's memory alive.

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I'd recommend you look into TT though for sure, if you think it'd be more realistic if there were some swearing going on. =P


The argument could be made that there are people who never swear & people who swear a ton, but I think that EMH reflects the balance that most people would do. Marble Hornets is a bit too G-rated, but I don't usually notice that, in fairness. With Tribe Twelve, I think that Noah goes way overboard, & it is noticeable.

I don't want to turn anyone off, though. Like Nostalgia Critic put it, "My opinion is bullshit, just like anyone else's."

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 		The way it is for me, Lithp, is that I swear excessively in real life, so Noah's swearing in TT never even phases me as unrealistic or immersion breaking. Like when people point it out, I feel confused, because I personally would be swearing at least as much as him in the situations depicted. Especially if I was genuinely getting teleported through both space and time and my life (and the lives of most of my loved ones) was completely ruined. I would definitely flip off Slendy if I had a journal that made me invincible to him, fuck Slendy, no one really knows what he wants but he just rolls in while you sleep and that is very rude. Also, his Slendy has tentacles which just makes it a way more nightmarish creature (again in my opinion) - all of this is insane and ridiculous and if that was really happening to me, I would lose some sanity, cry and laugh at the same time, and not hesitate to point out how fucking fucked the whole fucking thing is. Also, if I was trapped in the dark and Slendy was coming, I would probably start saying "fuck" over and over, if I was alone and if I was to say anything at all. That, or "oh shit". I find Noah to be a completely believable character, but I suppose that is just the type of reaction I feel I would have, when I try to be realistic. There wouldn't really be footage of me being a total super badass and confronting cultists in the woods and shooting at Slendy... it would be a shitty cell phone video of me saying "WHAT THE FUCK? FUCK! OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCK RUN!" for like 2-5 minutes. And I mean, I'm kind of a badass - not much scares me. But no fuckin way am I dealing with some Slenderman actually existing. Nightmare fuel no ty.

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fuck Slendy, no one really knows what he wants but he just rolls in while you sleep and that is very rude.


Yeah, & he always ruins pictures by photobombing them. What a fucking asshole.

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Also, if I was trapped in the dark and Slendy was coming, I would probably start saying "fuck" over and over, if I was alone and if I was to say anything at all.


I'm pretty sure I would just do a lot of incoherent yelling.

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