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 		Maybe they took her to lure Jay there if he got away from Masky, and thing went horribly wrong.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:

The only thing that I can think of is that they were trying to get her to Hoody's hut. That is in Rosswood, right? Maybe they suspected that Alex knew where they were and that he was coming after them. I get the impression that it's a pretty small town and since Jay was throwing up videos left and right saying "hey, over here!", it's not outside the realm of possibility that Alex had figured out where they were and was coming to get them. And since they had no memory of what he had tried to do, they would have never seen it coming.

So enter Hoody and Masky. They know what's coming and they know where Jessica and Jay are. They take out Jessica first because she's easier to overpower. They get her out of there and Hoody stays with her in Rosswood to lead her to his shack where he thinks she'll be safe but things just go horribly wrong. Masky tries to get the jump on Jay to do the same to him but Jay fights back more than expected and since Masky forgot to put any talent points in his flashlight dodging tree, Jay gets away. But that's not a big concern anymore because they got Jay out of the hotel and back out on the run, which was their primary goal.

tl;dr: Hoody and Masky are the good guys, they're just really bad at it.
I've never been convinced hoody is a "good guy" simply from his methodology. He wants Jay to do what hoody plans, but doesn't want Jay (or Jay's audience) to know why. He also seems to want Jay doing certain things, and was content early on to let him flounder some for the sake of letting Jay think some things were his own ideas. He gets frustrated and a little impatient, then takes a hand in events himself, and even leading Jay where he needs to go more than once. But I'm not convinced his motives are pure or really even any better than Alex's. The biggest difference is that the only person Hoody has tried to outright kill is Alex (that we know of, at least).

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paladin181 wrote:
geekgirlinthefedora wrote:

The only thing that I can think of is that they were trying to get her to Hoody's hut. That is in Rosswood, right? Maybe they suspected that Alex knew where they were and that he was coming after them. I get the impression that it's a pretty small town and since Jay was throwing up videos left and right saying "hey, over here!", it's not outside the realm of possibility that Alex had figured out where they were and was coming to get them. And since they had no memory of what he had tried to do, they would have never seen it coming.

So enter Hoody and Masky. They know what's coming and they know where Jessica and Jay are. They take out Jessica first because she's easier to overpower. They get her out of there and Hoody stays with her in Rosswood to lead her to his shack where he thinks she'll be safe but things just go horribly wrong. Masky tries to get the jump on Jay to do the same to him but Jay fights back more than expected and since Masky forgot to put any talent points in his flashlight dodging tree, Jay gets away. But that's not a big concern anymore because they got Jay out of the hotel and back out on the run, which was their primary goal.

tl;dr: Hoody and Masky are the good guys, they're just really bad at it.
I've never been convinced hoody is a "good guy" simply from his methodology. He wants Jay to do what hoody plans, but doesn't want Jay (or Jay's audience) to know why. He also seems to want Jay doing certain things, and was content early on to let him flounder some for the sake of letting Jay think some things were his own ideas. He gets frustrated and a little impatient, then takes a hand in events himself, and even leading Jay where he needs to go more than once. But I'm not convinced his motives are pure or really even any better than Alex's. The biggest difference is that the only person Hoody has tried to outright kill is Alex (that we know of, at least).


Well, maybe I should have said "as good as anyone in this series ever is" because there ain't a single character that is anywhere near sainthood. I don't blame them for it because their situation is a little out of hand so they're probably gonna do some messed up things but I think they've all gone a little too far on more than one occasion.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
The only thing that I can think of is that they were trying to get her to Hoody's hut. That is in Rosswood, right? Maybe they suspected that Alex knew where they were and that he was coming after them. I get the impression that it's a pretty small town and since Jay was throwing up videos left and right saying "hey, over here!", it's not outside the realm of possibility that Alex had figured out where they were and was coming to get them. And since they had no memory of what he had tried to do, they would have never seen it coming.

So enter Hoody and Masky. They know what's coming and they know where Jessica and Jay are. They take out Jessica first because she's easier to overpower. They get her out of there and Hoody stays with her in Rosswood to lead her to his shack where he thinks she'll be safe but things just go horribly wrong. Masky tries to get the jump on Jay to do the same to him but Jay fights back more than expected and since Masky forgot to put any talent points in his flashlight dodging tree, Jay gets away. But that's not a big concern anymore because they got Jay out of the hotel and back out on the run, which was their primary goal.

tl;dr: Hoody and Masky are the good guys, they're just really bad at it.

General logic is sound, and I agree that since they didn't seem like they were trying to lure out Alex but clearly took her to Rosswood for some specific purpose, the Hut was probably involved. That said, keep in mind that we have no idea why they'd want to take her to the Hut- we don't know that it's safe, or that safety was in any way their motivation in taking her there. We don't know why Hoody took Jay and Masky there way back when, for that matter. Their intentions are still ambiguous, and we have no way of knowing just how "good" their agenda really was.

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 		Thinking about that, I think that to determine the "goodness" of hoody would be chaotic good if you were to put it in terms of d&d.
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 		A small speculation
I couldn't help but Jessica seemed kind of calm when she woke up to see Hoody
I think that maybe Hoody and Masky knew that Alex knew where they were and planned to hurt them so Masky got Jessica first and went back to get Jay. However, Jay got away so they didn't worry about him.

I'm starting to think that Hoody (or totheark) might be Seth. I mean, Tim and Seth were at the abandoned hospital when Alex attacked them. It makes sense.

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 		Re: A small speculation
I couldn't help but Jessica seemed kind of calm when she woke up to see Hoody
Girlwholovesherelves wrote:
I think that maybe Hoody and Masky knew that Alex knew where they were and planned to hurt them so Masky got Jessica first and went back to get Jay. However, Jay got away so they didn't worry about him.

I'm starting to think that Hoody (or totheark) might be Seth. I mean, Tim and Seth were at the abandoned hospital when Alex attacked them. It makes sense.


Brian was at the same hospital when he got attacked, why is Seth more likely?
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 		Re: A small speculation
I couldn't help but Jessica seemed kind of calm when she woke up to see Hoody
Girlwholovesherelves wrote:
I think that maybe Hoody and Masky knew that Alex knew where they were and planned to hurt them so Masky got Jessica first and went back to get Jay. However, Jay got away so they didn't worry about him.

I'm starting to think that Hoody (or totheark) might be Seth. I mean, Tim and Seth were at the abandoned hospital when Alex attacked them. It makes sense.


Brian and Tim were at the abandoned hospital at the same TIME when attacked, so per your logic in this particular instance, doesn't that make Brian more likely? Wink

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 		I was just rewatching the series start to finish, and whilst watching Entry 27 I noticed something cool. The stairwell Jay goes up to get to his room is the same as the one TiMasky carries Jessica down in this Entry, so filming location as same hotel IRL confirmed. Pretty awesome, I recall it being speculated that they might've not had access to the same hotel location - in fact, they did/do. Awesome!

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 		I just posted this on another thread--in the discussion of why TO followed Tim as a child--and thought it probably was more appropriate for right here.

Entry #76 is one of the entries I don't care for, but that's because I find them problematic. (Has nothing at all to do with the quality--it's more that they're likely designed by the trio to throw the audience off, but I'm attempting to speak IG here.) Like Enttry #37, which is pretty damn bizarre even for a horror/paranormal mystery series told largely in found footage style, Entry #76 seems to have been heavily edited IG, though I don't know whether it was done by totheark. The appearance of The Operator when Jessica disappears and is supposedly abducted by him is very different than that when Bruce and then Troy get abducted by him. He's not shown as being present, but there's a negative of the frames of his appearance before Jessica in the woods. But also, why was there a camera there? And who filmed it? It's almost as if whoever made it was trying to implicate Tim in Jessica's disappearance (more than he already is implicated by taking her from her hotel room out to the woods while Masky).

As I said, I don't know whether it's totheark or Alex or Tim who'd do this. But we have two distinct and divergent reactions from Jay to the tape, and I wonder whether either is actually borne out by what plays out on it.

EDIT: Clarified that I had meant to say that I believe this entry seems heavily edited in game.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
I just posted this on another thread--in the discussion of why TO followed Tim as a child--and thought it probably was more appropriate for right here.

Entry #76 is one of the entries I don't care for, but that's because I find them problematic. (Has nothing at all to do with the quality--it's more that they're likely designed by the trio to throw the audience off, but I'm attempting to speak IG here.) Like Enttry #37, which is pretty damn bizarre even for a horror/paranormal mystery series told largely in found footage style, Entry #76 seems to have been heavily edited, though I don't know whether it was done by totheark. The appearance of The Operator when Jessica disappears and is supposedly abducted by him is very different than that when Bruce and then Troy get abducted by him. He's not shown as being present, but there's a negative of the frames of his appearance before Jessica in the woods. But also, why was there a camera there? And who filmed it? It's almost as if whoever made it was trying to implicate Tim in Jessica's disappearance (more than he already is implicated by taking her from her hotel room out to the woods while Masky).

As I said, I don't know whether it's totheark or Alex or Tim who'd do this. But we have two distinct and divergent reactions from Jay to the tape, and I wonder whether either is actually borne out by what plays out on it.


What? Its all from Hoody's camera in #76. Or wait. What?

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Sha Noran wrote:
Its all from Hoody's camera in #76.


Not sure about that. It seems fabricated to look as if it all came from one camera. But some of the distortions and jumps and places where the picture fades out and then back in don't make much sense if it is. What doesn't make sense to me:

Hoody's camera showing that Alex not only has his gun back but has apparently just used it.

Hoody's camera showing Jessica lying in the pathway.

Hoody's camera showing TO abducting Jessica.

Hoody's camera showing distortion of TO at that moment of abduction that comes from earlier in the tape rather than the flashes and crackles that accompanied TO abductions in other entries.

Hoody's camera showing the longish take of the scene where Jessica (purportedly) recently had been and then showing Tim stagger out in a daze and trying to get his bearings.

If TO showed up to abduct Jessica, why did the camera capture an earlier frame rather than a manifestation of him on that path (something similar seems to have occurred on an earlier entry--I think it was in the 40s?--but the circumstances were different)?

If TO showed up with Hoody watching and filming, why did Hoody (and maybe Tim?) stay rather than run from him as they apparently did earlier?

Why the distorted jump to that scene of Jessica on the path?

Why was Alex getting his gun back shown on the camera at all?

It's all very odd, and possible evidence of at least one other camera. And it smells of a set up to me--but a set up by whom?

EDIT: Check from about 8:46 on. That's where TO appears on screen and Jessica screams. Then much distortion till the tape shows Alex with the gun again, then a glitched jump to Jessica's body on the path. It's a problem of cinematographical perspective, and it seems too big for it to have been an accident on the part of the filmmakers (because it would be shoddy storytelling). Even if it is all from one and only one camera, it seems as if there's been some IG editing.

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 		I should clarify: I think whether all the footage came from Hoody's camera is ultimately irrelevant, because there seems to be a radical shift in the camera person's perspective. The perspective works fine for a dream sequence or for a show or film with an omniscient third-person narrator/author/camerapreson. But purportedly coming from the camera of a person who is definitely supposed to be working against Alex and may be working against The Operator in some degree, it doesn't add up. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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 		Not sure if anyone noticed this but I just noticed it myself.

Check out Entry #26 (about 21 seconds in)

and then Entry #76 (about 46 seconds in)

Looks like the same location.
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 		Uh, that does look like the same location. Huh
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