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[SPEC] Then vs. Now: The Relevance of Older Entries/TTA Vids
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evanx275h
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[SPEC] Then vs. Now: The Relevance of Older Entries/TTA Vids
How much do they matter now?

This thread is meant to be all about callbacks. Marble Hornets does it a lot, especially after the beginning of Season 3, revisiting areas like the Red Tower and a big portion of the locations from Season 1. But the big question that starts to come up as a result of this is:

How RELEVANT are the events of Season 1?

I don't mean the simple plot elements that progressed the story in that season. I'm talking more about the messages, the unanswered questions, the small things that came and went that had little to no effect on the series at the time - but meant something later on. Such examples as the Static Hole stand as the largest proof of this concept, originally having been a one-off theory that ended up being revisited in Entry #69.

The one I wanted to talk about, though, involves a TTA video.

In Season 3 - specifically Entry #60.5 - Tim's medical documents shows the date "1/10", and nothing else on that particular sheet. After looking into it, I found that the TTA video Attention was actually uploaded on January 10th - and suddenly its message actually corresponded perfectly to what was happening in the plot at that moment.
It said things like "Return to us" and "awaiting your arrival"... and then, to my astonishment, Entry #61 showed Tim being re-recruited as Masky by Hoody, perfectly exemplifying the "Return to us" message. That shit made me think.

My question is, what else could we be overlooking? What TTA videos, Season 3 Entries, and possibly even tweets from these past two or so years could be pointing towards past events, making them more relevant than they were?

And at that, what in Season 1 was left unanswered, or appeared once and never had relevance again? Maybe those things will be revisited soon, as the series won't last much longer.

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Re: [SPEC] Then vs. Now: The Relevance of Older Entries/TTA Vids
How much do they matter now?

evanx275h wrote:

In Season 3 - specifically Entry #60.5 - Tim's medical documents shows the date "1/10", and nothing else on that particular sheet. After looking into it, I found that the TTA video Attention was actually uploaded on January 10th - and suddenly its message actually corresponded perfectly to what was happening in the plot at that moment.
It said things like "Return to us" and "awaiting your arrival"... and then, to my astonishment, Entry #61 showed Tim being re-recruited as Masky by Hoody, perfectly exemplifying the "Return to us" message. That shit made me think.


Wow, I like that combination. It's a bit iffy, but I really like the thought.

Especially since some weeks ago some proposed to rethink who the addressee of TTA was, I've been thinking about that. A lot of the earlier TTAs have been decoded, but their message had not been figured out – or at least not by me. Take Impurity for example. To what does the "there was more" refer? There was more on the tape from #12? But why is this never picked up again?

And not to speak of Program. Even the much praised TTA Decoded hasn't figured that one out. Though I have absolutely no lead on them, I hope that they are relevant, and are not just there because of some early installment weirdness, where Trosephim just threw out stuff to see what sticks and what not. Maybe we have much more clues at our hands than we realize...

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Yeah, the old unanswered TTA videos have me wracking my brain - like, what could they all FULLY mean?

My best bet on reference material to Program is to revisit Entry #55 - it's the only Entry that features the buildings like the one in Program, so I'm scanning the video piece-by-piece to see if there's anything I'm missing.

It doesn't help that I still don't know what the numbers mean, though, so I'm just blindly stabbing at the air at the moment.
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There was a theory posted about it in the Program thread, and it makes some sense

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28526&start=165

Another TTA video that I don't understood is Deluge, I could never figure out its meaning

Another thing that bugs me is the meaning of the names behind TTA videos (although this kinda spans all seasons), yeah, there's a lot that make sense, but a few of them are pretty ambiguous, like Exit, Impurity, Deluge, Version, etc

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I think this is actually an important thing to look at as well, but with caution. I feel like, since they weren't really going in a clear direction with the series in season 1, somethings are purposely forgotten about because OOG Troy thought it wouldn't make for a good story. So getting too caught up with things from Season 1 could lead us astray. As for later on, I think anything is fair game.

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With the events of Entry #80, the "Do I Help or Do I Kill" from TTA's Inquiry gives me chills.

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TheManPF wrote:
Another thing that bugs me is the meaning of the names behind TTA videos... a few of them are pretty ambiguous, like Exit, Impurity, Deluge, Version, etc


If there's something to the "THERE WAS M0RE" at the end (and it's a direct response to Entry #12, which has an ambiguous but sinister ending), then "Impurity" may make some sense--especially if it's somehow related to The Operator taking notice of and plaguing the MH crew.

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I was under the impression that "Do I help or do I kill" was one of the notes that Alex was scribbling, and totheark got ahold of one. You can just barely make one out in Entry 46.

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I'm not too sure if the older TTAs are relevant. Most of the time, they we're responses to the entries just uploaded and pertained to just those, or they we're teasing an upcoming Entry, like Null for instance.

Unless we get some kind of hint/clue that indicates we need to look back to previous Entries/TTA vids for some kind of puzzle/code/answer/etc., then I'd say they aren't relevant now.

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Troy plan on discontinuing the TTA channel, but due to high demand and the fan's love for decoding they kept it around? It did add a lot to the game, but I feel as if the previous TTA videos may not carry over to Season 3 because, as previously stated, they were responses to Entries.

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The thing to keep in mind is, they claim to have had no real plan back when they made S1. With maybe the exception of a few plot elements that I could believe were part of their vision even back then, I'd say if anything from then proves relevant now, it's because they at some point in the last two seasons revisited it and decided to incorporate it into the bigger plot in a new way.

For instance, the static hole. Did they think it was going to be relevant back when it first showed up? Maybe, maybe not. Did they already plan for it to have a cache of burned tapes, as revealed in entry 69? Almost certainly not. Most likely they decided much later (possibly even due to the fan theories about the matter) to bring it back and make it relevant.

Now that said, the entry 12 thing. It was actually addressed one other time- in a YT message back when Jay still responded to those.

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Anyway, yes, what happens after that clip is VERY important. Unfortunately, the girl operating the camera at the time stopped recording as Alex walked on screen. There was a little bit of time left on the tape (around 4 or 5 minutes) after this clip, but it's blank. I'm not sure if Alex changed tapes early or not, because I have yet to find another tape that "matches" with this clip. It's frustrating to say the least.


I think that this seems to indicate that even back then, when they were apparently making it up as they went along, they had some idea that something crucial took place after Entry 12. Whether or not they had already decided what that was, they seemed to have intended to revisit that eventually.

Now that was back in S1, and it's possible that they didn't know where it was going and abandoned the idea, or had a plan for a follow-up but cut it once they started planning more of the series. But because of the significance Jay drew to it in his message, I *could* believe (though I don't, because it's still a pretty big stretch) that they had planned out a follow-up to Entry 12 which was actually especially crucial to the plot and that they never abandoned that idea, but rather left it alone because that particular reveal needs to be near or at the end of the series to work.

I have no idea if what I just said made sense.

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I realize that a majority of season 1 was made with little to no rhyme or reason. However the whole Attention/Entry #60.5 and the Static Hole bits make me think they're TRYING to make it all relevant, so as not to render any entries insignificant.

They may not do it with every old Entry, but those few things do sort of make you do a double-take on season 1.

It's something I'd like to see happen, anyways... being a mystery series I like to think all the entries have some relevance. And even if they haven't yet, they sure are doing a lot of referencing to season 1, which they admitted they weren't completely sure about where the story was headed at the time.
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I personally think a lot of the season 1 stuff was scrapped. Most notably the bullet casing, blood on alex's head, and jay walking through a door and not coming out the other side. Same goes for a few of the TTA videos

They didn't know how the story was going to pan out at that point, and while most of it stuck, I do think there are things that they are clearly not using anymore.

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^^ doubt it. I think they would work around it.

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work around what? if they were going to use those things we'd have seen them again by now. they are able to do callbacks like the hole in the ground in the park, but past that i don't think a lot of the stuff from season 1 has much bearing on the real story they wanted to tell once they knew how it was going to pan out

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