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cherrytree98765
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ads123 wrote:
Russell_k wrote:
Well since we dont have a little programme to play around with this week im wondering whether we should be pushing Nick for a much more secure communication method, although if this is his past then he may think we are crazy ><


Earlier on we were told that we need to push Maria for the most secure communication method, I believe.

EDIT: Yeah
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develop encrypted communication system via m
so that's who we should be pushing. I already brought it up but she brushed me off.


Actually that's a bit off. I know I had mentioned something like that before a couple of pages ahead, but I'm pretty sure I got the timeframe wrong. I assume the "encrypted communications" is from Maria in the future. She's sending the files (reports) and emails through "Awakening" which seems to be able to edit data in the past if it's been stored. As such she's been sending us Nick's old games, and maybe editing them with those reports. I'm not sure if our objective is still going to be implanting the device or fracturing at least Nick to drive him off the team.

On the subject of the player number. I think it was referencing not releasing the identity in the future. As well when you hear the lead programmer that made the LUNAR system was killed by the same company. Well that would be a unholy PR nightmare.

Though this is just all my speculation up to this point.

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ads123
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Well, yes that snippet did come from "the future" in (I believe) one of those weird e-mails?

Quote:
total control
surveillance people
no difference real fiction
hostile
warn n m
help d lm
develop encrypted communication system via m
hostile agent present
detected our communication
careful who trust
limited time to communicate
project awakening"


So I read that as a shopping list of what we need to do Razz Also, in regards to the release of the player number surely if he released the identity now then that's just as bad as if he released it a couple years down the line? I think for now we'll have to go with the little info that we've got on this and just assume all the warnings and such are targeted towards us to help people in the present.

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cherrytree98765
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ads123 wrote:
Well, yes that snippet did come from "the future" in (I believe) one of those weird e-mails?

Quote:
total control
surveillance people
no difference real fiction
hostile
warn n m
help d lm
develop encrypted communication system via m
hostile agent present
detected our communication
careful who trust
limited time to communicate
project awakening"


So I read that as a shopping list of what we need to do Razz Also, in regards to the release of the player number surely if he released the identity now then that's just as bad as if he released it a couple years down the line? I think for now we'll have to go with the little info that we've got on this and just assume all the warnings and such are targeted towards us to help people in the present.


We got that information from an "EVIDENCE" file. The same that were picked up when Nick was killed. Honestly I'm pretty sure this was a warning to someone to warn Nick and Maria that there was an hostile agent among their group who had detected their communication (as referenced in the new newsletter, they somehow found out about Maria and Nick's plans which I assume was because the hostile agent detected their message(s), and informed George(?) of it. That led to them wanting to develop an "encrypted communication system via M" so that they could talk without fear, and that now they didn't have much time to actually communicate anymore.

Actually we're trying to stop LUNAR from becoming what it is in the future. So the public knowledge of Nick's number is a good thing. The more who know the bigger the stink would be in the future for LUNAR who now control people completely (according to the email).

*Shrugs* That's just my honest opinion. I mean the PM's have pretty much said an "encrypted communcation system, and not releasing the number was not important so that leads me to believe that we don't need to worry about that. I could be wrong but I don't see how Nick's number being released hurts our cause in the start. If anything us saying we need these things might tip of Liam who I'm pretty sure is a countermeasure to "Awakening" Maria in an email I got recently pretty much seems to point to that

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Liam, hm I don't talk so much with him, but he is ok - a bit quite lately, which is a bit weird for a PR guy, no? Moreover, he is constantly in contact with George and he makes sure that George focuses 100% on the new "vision" of the LUNAR project.




To be honest, I am not really sure what he is doing all day. (You didn't hear this from me Wink )


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[OFF TOPIC]

Haven't been able to keep up with this for a few days, and I see we've made progress. Great job all!

Gonna try to get caught up now, and great job updating the wiki Thunderwolf and Russell! I'll try to help out more now that I finally have a day off

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Russell
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Welcome back Natas, I am sadly also back after my excursion to a tropical island =(sadly not so hot in the UK at the moment.

I have been wondering whether we should email back to the lunarinfo address using the same code to establish contact but it seems such a simple code as to not want to tip our hand....

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cherrytree98765
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Re: [Off Topic]

Russell_k wrote:
Welcome back Natas, I am sadly also back after my excursion to a tropical island =(sadly not so hot in the UK at the moment.

I have been wondering whether we should email back to the lunarinfo address using the same code to establish contact but it seems such a simple code as to not want to tip our hand....


Welcome back to to both of you guys.

As far as I understand how "Awakening" works. I don't think emailing the info address would work. To the context we've received it sounds like "Awaken" stores old data, and then can edit it and inject it into the past. The limitation being it must have been "stored" before hand? (Not sure how Maria managed to store all that data.) It could be possible it's only a one way communication system, as if we emailed the info address. Somehow A. Liam would need to not notice the email and B. For Liam not to delete the email himself after it is recieved. (I think Liam is the one running the info address, could be wrong.) That is if that doesn't cause a kind of time paradox in and of itself.

My best shot at "communicating" would be to send an email to Maria and Nick and tell them to "store" the data away for a later date. If by chance it does get to the future. They may be able to respond back in a response. Maybe the email response from them (?). It's kind of confusing to know if it would work or not, because most likely Nick and Maria would notice the tampering in an email. Just like they noticed Newsletter 2 was tampered with.

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All sounds plausible, just feels like we should be moving something along and are missing something

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arthurdent11389
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After looking through the last newsletter e-mail, and seeing how the message is hidden, I think there may be some more information to "decode".

1. for instance, "tMqAqDqFqSqAqGqEqDt" is interpreted to be "MANAGED", even though it decodes as "MADFSAGED"

more:

2. before "MANAGED", the words are "h(h$x)§x # kTk ~ x"x= eIdRe # uEu ^ rFr *", which should be the person who "managed", but it is encoded differently, and "()§ T " IR E F" doesn't make sense.

3. later in the same sentence, "lByLl$o§"o$sEcNcDs" is decoded as "BLEND", but is literally "BL$§"END"

4. later in the same sentence "xGy4y3y2y4yAyMyDyAySyEx" is decoded to "GAME", but is literally "G4324AMDASE"

- Note: SAD,SDA,DAS seem to show up a lot in the literal decodings"

5. later in message, there is "p@NaDp", which could decode as "@ND", but doesn't make sense in the sentence

6. still later, "k)k$m"§AhSm - wD'Sw % hPpRpOpTpOpTpYpPpEh" is decoded only as "PROTOTYPE", but whose prototype? ")"§AS D'S" ?

7. then, "y"§y$r)("§)r$m"§Im$dEd : rRwEwAwLwIwZwEwDr" is decoded as "REALIZED", but who realized? ""§ )("§) "§I E" ?

8. then at the end, before connection lost, "mHcOcUcRcSc9c3c8c2m $ f9d0dUdOdJdLdKdAf..tDt.gShAhDhAhShDhAhSg" is decoded as "HOURS", but is more fully decoded as "HOURS9382 90UOJLKA. D. SADASDAS"

can "9382 90UOJLKA. D. SADASDAS", possibly mean be decoded further ?

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I don't think the decoding is necessarily just via alternate letters though. The way I decoded it was with a python script:

Code:
print("".join(letter for letter in string where letter.isupper() or letter.isspace())


Of course that could mean that I've missed something, but where similar methods were employed in previous newsletters and "weird emails" I couldn't find anything relevant.[/code]
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cherrytree98765
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Okay, so just to see about what you were talking about Russell, I emailed Nick (since he is the original creator of the program) and asked his opinion about the logic I mentioned here. (Plus it was a convienent way for the PM's to give a wink or not) Anyways I explained the logic as a story I'm creating (sci-fi) just so he wouldn't go running to Liam or anyone. This was his response

Quote:
wow sounds like an interesting sci-fi story!

hm that's a tricky question, but i guess if these people can access old data and manipulate it so it affects the past, then actually all data changed in the past, should be accessible to the people in the future. means: if you leave a message somewhere in the past, this message should reach the group in the future (sry if i am totally wrong!)

this time traveling thing is always tricky, but who knows what technology in the future will be capable of!

you should keep me updated with your little story, i love sci-fi!

-nick


Jumping right into it all. I've emailed Maria and left two messages on the email. I also told her to keep the messages in a safe place and respond to them in (2044). Hopefully she doesn't just delete it and just think I'm some pyschiatric ward patient. If it works, then I may actually get a response from Maria from the future, as if she did "store" it she should be able to use it in conjuction with Awaken. (Hopefully)

That's all dependent on if my original theory is correct. Though with the reference "Speak with me" on the last core it has a high probablity of being at least partially correct?

Also I'm wondering if I should continue to feed Nick the "story" and then jump the trap and tell him it's all about them. Because if the virus was never finished, how are they supposed to implant it into the prototype.

At the moment, my real thought is that we need Nick to leave the group or destroy the prototype itself.


Also one final point. In the newsletter, "SDA" is mentioned. I assume it might be just some made up reference. But there is an actual SDA (Self Decrypting Archive). So I'm wondering if that might be referencing that itself. Just seemed a tad bit odd to me. I've already tried SDA as a url just in case but nada.

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Good cover story cherry! That should work quite neatly Wink let us know what response you get.

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arthurdent11389
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I have gone back to look at the "warning" file that was analyzed earlier.

it looks like this:
Quote:
>?subject1 199.487.683.739.463 109.1021.317.863.857.653.1009 67.877.503.1063.11.149.163.1009.2.173.937.599
>?st2 491.761.487.181.821.127 479.331 593.283.953.769.599.503.431.173.937.11 349.269.241.641 769.149.587.863.449.331.1019 281.179.859.683.449.311.127

>?request1 1069.739.673.647 827 467
>?rq2 139.431.463.659 7 163.1009
>?rq3 263.11.1063.127.463.653.491 269.479.751.1039.1091.491.521.11.7 109.179.313.643.691.647.149.5.2.683.449.653.317 677.907.197.199.781.167 1063.449.401 313

>?note 281.179.859.683.449.311.127 571.439.127.1019.683 181.193.269.677.599.827.521
>?note 941.599.863.269.5.683.599.113 179.523.673 257.179.313.643.691.647.149.5.2.683.449.653.317
>?note 937.241.349.127.131.877.1009 883.971.829 683.503.691.343.863
>?note 311.449.313.149.683.761.7 199.149.643.431 683.331 257.179.313.643.691.647.149.5.2.683.11

>?acc 181.193.331.809.11.5.863 2.83.919.31.431.317.23.43.17



and has been decoded as this (with one minor change I have made - changed an "M" to an "L" as 1009 is an "L" in 2 other cases):

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>?subject1 TOTAL CONTROL SURVEILLANCE
>?st2 PEOPLE NO DIFFERENCE REAL FICTION HOSTILE

>?request1 WARN N M ------------------------------------------------------> (meaning warn nick & maria, as previously discussed)
>?rq2 HELP D LL -------------------------------------------------------------> (previously decoded as HELP D LM) (meaning help destroy?/design?/develop?/delete? lunarlabs?)
>?rq3 DEVELOP ENCRYPTED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM VIA M --------> (meaning develop encrypted comm. system via Maria, as previously discussed)

>?note HOSTILE AGENT PRESENT
>?note DETECTED OUR COMMUNICATION
>?note CAREFUL WHO TRUST
>?note LIMITED TIME TO COMMUNICATE

>?acc PROJECT AWAKENING


What else can "HELP D LL" mean ?

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Good catch! (I wonder where the program glitched...) That was one of the most mysterious phrases. LL makes so much more sense!
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maybe HELP D LL means help destroy lunar labs or something like it?

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So, just got an email from Maria. Who responded you may ask?

Future Maria! Though it seems that she completly avoided the questions I asked. haha.

Anwyays there's quite a bit of junk in the email so here's the cleaned up version.

Quote:
IT WORKED!
HE FOUND US.
LIMITED TIME.
HE IS WATCHING YOU.
YOU AND YOUR ALLIES ARE IN DANGER!
STAY TUNED.
I'LL BE BACK.


I seem to have pissed off someone(What's new?). Otherwise Russell I guess you have your answer from the PM's.

I'm guessing that I just have to wait for another email from her, or we wait until the next newsletter. I think we may want to avoid all of us sending Maria weird emails. It would seem I've already kicked the hornet's nest Smile Otherwise I'll keep emailing Maria and maybe start to feed her the same story I'm feeding Nick.

Also I'll continue to feed Nick the story and maybe try to stick my hand in the time space continuim by trying to avoid Nick's death. I think I have an idea what may have caused it.

EDIT: I also just noticed that it wasn't included in our email conversation but a seperate email convo. Which seems a tad bit strange, as Awaken is only supposed to work on old data, so I was expecting one from Maria's response. Maybe she went and edited my email to Maria also. haha.

I think it's about time I start emailing Liam, I want to kick that hornet's nest a couple more times.

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