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DarkStorm · Veteran Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 76

Even worse, I'm sure they're only going to get high bids because of Halo 2. Like the case where someone got $500 for a Playstaion 2 box (because the bidder thought it was for a PS2, not just the box), someone could easily get a lot of money from people who see the "Halo 2" and "Xbox Live" logos on the disk and mistakenly think that this is Halo 2 itself (even if the auction says otherwise).

-DS-

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:58 pm

Mazian

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:03 pm

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NMZ · Boot Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Minnesota

Think about this logically:

Why would Microsoft, Bungie, or 4orty2two be unhappy if we copied & redistributed the material (for free)?

Benefits of copying:
-Free advertising for their games
-Free advertising for the companies themselves

Bad things of copying:
-None

I completely agree that selling the DVDs for a profit is both immoral and illegal. But copying the DVDs and redistributing for no more than the production & shipping costs is perfectly legal, and if not, Microsoft and Bungie shouldn't care because there are no negative effects to the companies if they are copied. There are, however, positive effects. Copying the DVDs will help Bungie/Halo, not hurt them.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:25 pm

Mazian

Superjerms posted something here.

I tentatively retract my concerns over free duplication of the DVD. Certainly the PMs review the forums, and I certainly expect they will say one way or another in response to the private email I sent asking.

I have no objections to being wrong, as long as the PMs and Microsoft do not consider this a violation of their Copyrights.

Cool

I'm glad to see that others are reporting Ebay auctions of the ILB DVD. It makes me all warm and fuzzy, like the first time I spoke to Kristen (Melissa).

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:29 pm

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NMZ · Boot Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Minnesota

Speaking of the eBay auctions, I'm keeping track of all of the violating numbers on my post on the first page. Go there for an up-to-date listing.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:31 pm

Mazian

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:34 pm

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NMZ · Boot Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Minnesota

Got this (automated) email once for each auction submitted:

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:48 pm

Thumper · Veteran Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

One thing I wouldn't have a problem with is if people put their training event lanyards up on eBay. That's one thing I missed because I couldn't make it to the training event.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:50 pm

TheDoctor · Boot Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 12

Ok, I'm going to take a contrarian opinion here, so roast me if you must. (No, I'm not selling anything - my DVD is my prize possession.) Smile

First, IANAL, so I don't know what the legalities of selling the ILB DVD on eBay are. eBay's page on selling promotional items is a bit vague (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/promotional.html), but it seems to deal more with things like illegal copies of "screener" or advance-promo DVDs rather than free giveaway products like the ILB DVD.

So unless there's something specifically in the law that forbids the sale of such DVDs, I'm going to assume that the ILB DVD can be considered a gift from MS to all who received it, and therefore is their property to do with what they want. The n00b who got one at the theater, then got mad that it wasn't a Halo2 disc and snapped it in half before stomping off may have been a jerk, but he wasn't acting illegally. It was his disc, and his to dispose of with as he pleased.

Similarly, the guys selling on eBay are just taking something that's theirs and disposing of it how they see fit. I don't know their motives - maybe they acted like jerks and snarfed up 10 copies yesterday just to sell. Or maybe they got it, watched it, and said "Huh, that was interesting", followed by "I wonder if I can sell this to anyone?"

I frankly don't see the problem with the marketplace doing it's supply/demand thing here. Perhaps another way to look at it would be like this. There's a guy selling his on eBay for $10 at the moment:

Were you unable to get a DVD yesterday? Did you really want one? Would have you paid a friend $10-15 if he/she would have gone and gotten one for you?

No - it would be too much to pay? Well, don't worry - it didn't happen.

Yes - it would be worth the cost? Then you're in luck! Someone did just that!

They'd like a little cash. You'd like to have the DVD. Is it so wrong to let capitalism kick in?

Just my opinion. So go ahead, flame away! Mr. Green

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:20 pm

midas777

this is wrong

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:24 pm

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**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:29 pm

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**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:39 pm

Lady Kata

Something interesting about one of these auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6337818349&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

The auction itself:

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:39 pm

NMZ · Boot Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Minnesota

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:04 pm

skilletaudio · Unfettered Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 515

Time is not a saleable good.
Effort put into acquisition is a factor in determining worth of a saleable good. But it doesnt turn a non-saleable good int a saleable one. It turns it into a souvenir.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:18 pm