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Did You Enjoy Hoody's Unmasking?
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Lithp
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SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, I actually have a different, OOG reason for not liking this reveal: the bullshit bickering it's causing on these forums. I can usually overlook this stuff, but combined with the Crossover Clusterfuck happening in the forums for all the other Slender vlogs, it feels like there's just no end. And the only realistic solution for me is to stay off Unfiction, but I like this place. And it's really the only good place I've found to talk about this thing that I like so much Sad .


I feel similarly. I just don't care about this Entry, so I haven't been doing much in this subforum, & I'm wary of the Slenderman Mythos forum for shit that I'm being purposefully vague on in the hopes that it doesn't follow me here. That said, I clearly didn't like this Entry, & I also don't like the crossover...stuff.


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I haven't read all the replies yet, so sorry if someone has already said this.
I would have loved if they'd kept everything up to the moment when Tim and Brian are about to leave and then just have Brian put the hood over his head and say something like 'See you next time' (something better than that though, but still a nod to the audience.) Then cut to real life where the camera is on the table and we just see Tim slam his fist down on the table in anger, grab the camera and begin to leave, then cut to black.

It would make it so obvious, but not point it out like 'oh hey guys look he's wearing the hoodie'.


No one has said quite that, but a lot of people have been talking about the principle of "show, don't tell," & this is a perfect example. Putting up the hood would cue the viewer to the fact that they want you to see the hoody, while Tim's reaction could be understood as storming off without turning on the camera, & then later deciding to use it as his threat to Alex because it's easier than trying to talk about it. They'd be able to see if people "don't get it" & respond accordingly, but that's unlikely in hindsight, since the vast majority accepted this as a reveal.

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azureknight wrote:
I haven't read all the replies yet, so sorry if someone has already said this.
I would have loved if they'd kept everything up to the moment when Tim and Brian are about to leave and then just have Brian put the hood over his head and say something like 'See you next time' (something better than that though, but still a nod to the audience.) Then cut to real life where the camera is on the table and we just see Tim slam his fist down on the table in anger, grab the camera and begin to leave, then cut to black.

It would make it so obvious, but not point it out like 'oh hey guys look he's wearing the hoodie'.

While I don't think the reveal we got was all that bad, it was far from perfect, and I think your idea would have been far better for a reveal.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, I actually have a different, OOG reason for not liking this reveal: the bullshit bickering it's causing on these forums. I can usually overlook this stuff, but combined with the Crossover Clusterfuck happening in the forums for all the other Slender vlogs, it feels like there's just no end. And the only realistic solution for me is to stay off Unfiction, but I like this place. And it's really the only good place I've found to talk about this thing that I like so much Sad .


That crossover shit is one reason I avoid all the others except Everyman HYBRID--and even then there's apparently (just from my reading, I have never really followed TribeTwelve)
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Evan/HABIT showing up a bit in the latter--I think that's just stupid
). I did like the DarkHarvest00 guys making a cameo in a Hybrid entry, though.

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Lithp wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, I actually have a different, OOG reason for not liking this reveal: the bullshit bickering it's causing on these forums. I can usually overlook this stuff, but combined with the Crossover Clusterfuck happening in the forums for all the other Slender vlogs, it feels like there's just no end. And the only realistic solution for me is to stay off Unfiction, but I like this place. And it's really the only good place I've found to talk about this thing that I like so much Sad .


I feel similarly. I just don't care about this Entry, so I haven't been doing much in this subforum, & I'm wary of the Slenderman Mythos forum for shit that I'm being purposefully vague on in the hopes that it doesn't follow me here. That said, I clearly didn't like this Entry, & I also don't like the crossover...stuff.


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I haven't read all the replies yet, so sorry if someone has already said this.
I would have loved if they'd kept everything up to the moment when Tim and Brian are about to leave and then just have Brian put the hood over his head and say something like 'See you next time' (something better than that though, but still a nod to the audience.) Then cut to real life where the camera is on the table and we just see Tim slam his fist down on the table in anger, grab the camera and begin to leave, then cut to black.

It would make it so obvious, but not point it out like 'oh hey guys look he's wearing the hoodie'.


No one has said quite that, but a lot of people have been talking about the principle of "show, don't tell," & this is a perfect example. Putting up the hood would cue the viewer to the fact that they want you to see the hoody, while Tim's reaction could be understood as storming off without turning on the camera, & then later deciding to use it as his threat to Alex because it's easier than trying to talk about it. They'd be able to see if people "don't get it" & respond accordingly, but that's unlikely in hindsight, since the vast majority accepted this as a reveal.


Now THAT reveal would have been straight up COOL! I apologize for getting heated on here sometimes and bringing up "show don't tell" as I believe I started the bickering on that, but you shouldn't take it as a law. It should be more like show if you can, but tell if you must. Maybe Entry #84 proves this. Now thinking back, since we didn't get a Tim reaction video then telling would be the only other option.

Cross-over Subject:

I loved EverymanHybrid before TribeTwelve stuck their slimy fingers into them and cause a cross-over. It really should have been the other way around because, clearly, EMH was the better series all acting and writing considered. Cross-overs screw up continuity, make for too huge of a story to keep track of, and just screw up other people's stories because they always have to keep continuity with the rest of the SlenderVlogs. I typically don't mind cross-overs if they are done right, or if we find out later that two stories are in the same universe, but don't be an idiot about doing it. Don't just cross-over just to cross-over especially if one of them series has time travel. Don't do it. Just don't.

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 		But EMH also has time travel.

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Lithp wrote:
But EMH also has time travel.


DONE

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Lithp
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JAL13 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
But EMH also has time travel.


DONE


Eh? Kind of a bizarre reason to drop a series. Especially when you've probably already passed that point. Unless my theory about the Mining Town 4 is correct.

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 		Thanks for the cool responses on my alternate version. I liked the episode, just thought there was room for improvement. My favourite thing about this series is that you have to work to find answers. It seemed very out of character to have someone say 'hey look at this' about something so important.

As for the crossover stuff, I have no idea what's going on, I only follow MH. Is it just a fandom thing or are the actual shows starting to mix now?

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Lithp wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
But EMH also has time travel.


DONE


Eh? Kind of a bizarre reason to drop a series. Especially when you've probably already passed that point. Unless my theory about the Mining Town 4 is correct.


EMH has done a pretty great job with the time travel too, so it wouldn't have been . MH never gave any solid indication of time travel (except for Alex's plagiarism of the "Zybourne Clock" intro at the start of his trailer), so it would be cheap in MH's case (it would have had to have been pretty solidly added at least early in season two, if not earlier, for it to have been anything other than cheap).

To azureknight: Actual series/ARGs are crossing over, yes, and it's screwing up some of the better series.

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Lithp
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 		Pretty much every series is crossing over with every other series, some more than others. Marble Hornets is the exception. There's a chart somewhere. Opinions are harshly divided on the issue. Part of this may be due to it being the internet, where people are more willing to act like dicks, & even if they aren't trying to act like dicks, they're still more likely to be misinterpreted as dicks. Also, dicks.

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EMH has done a pretty great job with the time travel too, so it wouldn't have been


I'm not really sure what you mean, here.

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Lithp wrote:
Pretty much every series is crossing over with every other series, some more than others. Marble Hornets is the exception. There's a chart somewhere. Opinions are harshly divided on the issue. Part of this may be due to it being the internet, where people are more willing to act like dicks, & even if they aren't trying to act like dicks, they're still more likely to be misinterpreted as dicks. Also, dicks.

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EMH has done a pretty great job with the time travel too, so it wouldn't have been


I'm not really sure what you mean, here.


Wrong choice of words there. Not time travel, but cutting up and playing around with time in a way that MH doesn't. I haven't followed EMH the way I have MH, so I don't follow all the theories and shit and never get involved in the gaming aspect. When I watched it through (from the first ep up to "Lexi," I think it's titled, where
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HABIT reveals to Vinnie that "the Big bad Stick in the Mud" was stalking the girl that Vinnie became interested in
), I saw some jumping around and skewing of the narrative flow and what seem to be leaps from another time (or another dimension). But not time travel itself. You're right there. My mistake. I like what they do, but I'm not invested enough in EMH to follow it much (and the TribeTwelve tie-in started to turn me off, though I did keep watching).

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 		No, I mean that I literally don't know what that sentence is supposed to mean, because it just says, "Wouldn't have been," & then seemingly trails off.

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Also, I was referring to the time that they saw Corenthal in the storage shed. There are arguably a few other cases, but that is a confirmed instance of them experiencing something from the past.


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Lithp wrote:
No, I mean that I literally don't know what that sentence is supposed to mean, because it just says, "Wouldn't have been," & then seemingly trails off.


Pfft... that's what happens when I try to balance my Unfiction, my job, and my other internet browsing and shit. I need to learn how to multitask. I don't quite remember my entire thought--I think I accidentally blocked that and deleted by mistake.

As for
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Corenthal, yeah--there's that, then there's, what's his name, Nick I think, showing up right before Habit captures Jeff (saying "He's got you, bro," I think). There's stuff with time skipping and flashbacks and events from the past somehow resurfacing at an important point in the present--just as there are the weird scenes of the guys entering doors and being teleported to a different place and time, and a couple of these are actually done better than some of the teleports in MH. But as for time travel... that's very much a TribeTwelve thing, right? With future versions of characters influencing their past? Not that I have anything against it--I just find it dull after a point. I do like the iteration theory and Corenthal building a safe space against "the monsters"--that's pretty well done. But I'm glad that isn't in MH, because MH and EMH are so radically different.
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JAL13 wrote:
pestoner wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
TheOperator--Hoody could talk: he muttered "Oh, shit!" when he was rummaging Tim's house for pills and saw Alex opening the attic.


thats the Sound of the wooden box he found the tape in, as he moves it.
an "oh shit!" from hoody would ruin any immersion, also the guys have a strict rule of no cursing in the series.


Not to Noah in TribeTwelve. More swearing = More immersion. Rolling Eyes

Off topic:
The swearing in TribeTwelve didn't feel excessive or immersion-breaking to me. It felt natural; some people just swear very casually. Besides, if you were in the messed up situation Noah was in, wouldn't you be swearing a lot as well?
EDIT: Messaged Adam Rosner about this. His response here.

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I enjoyed the "unmasking." Right when I'm about to watch a new entry, I get all hyped up about what could happen. So when Brian walked in wearing the tan hoody we know so well, it was a big "oh shit" moment for me. The rest of the entry was spent think about how Tim was going to react at the end. And I think that if they did a dramatic unmasking, it wouldn't fit well with the series. I think the way they executed it was superb, but it probably wasn't what most of the fans wanted.

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