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Ristar
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I like it but i have to say that based on what we have seen so far in the series it's more likely that the ''sickness'' effects are related to drowning.
Think about it, they cough because they are running out of air, and water seems to be like some sort of medium between TO's world and the real world, is like Constantine where they explain they can use water to transport to hell.
And you are also right about the lack of oxygen although this is also a side-effect from drowning wich is, like fires, lack of oxygen
Water has been a theme used a lot in MH, especially TTA's videos, i will admit tho your theory made me think that maybe you are true, and somehow TO represents fire, while TTA represents water (It's a longshot but it came in my mind as i was typing this). But i think it's more likely that drowning has more to do with TO's than fires.
The only mentions of fires throughout the series are; the hospital fire, Jay's apartment's fire, and the basement (Wich to this day i'm not sure if it's just old or burned down)
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:41 pm
Marble Hornets
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I posted a theory a while ago that depicted the feeling of drowning when the symptom that causes coughing sets in. One of the early TTA videos shows a lung expanding and contracting.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:01 am
Geneaux486
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Joined: 17 Mar 2011 Posts: 2423
Marble Hornets wrote:
I posted a theory a while ago that depicted the feeling of drowning when the symptom that causes coughing sets in. One of the early TTA videos shows a lung expanding and contracting.
Yeah I believe that was a dog's lung. Guess we know what happened to Rocky.
Also, I like this "smoke inhalation" theory as the OP presented it, that the coughing is symbolic. I think that if the Operator were literally emitting some kind of gas that caused choking, Jay, Tim, or someone else would have mentioned something about it by now. Plus that wouldn't adequately explain the audio/video distortion.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:15 am
Hep Alien
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Joined: 09 Apr 2014 Posts: 2
Glad this seems to have provoked some discussion. I've been a long time lurker and have enjoyed the theorizing here immensely. Feels nice to contribute.
I thought with the supposed recent reference to the fire when Tim was chasing Hoody and ended up in the abandoned hospital, and the fact that the hospital fire was introduced after Season 1 (so they sort of knew where they were going), that Trophesim might be alluding to this fire being very significant, and phantom smoke would seem to fit.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:41 pm
Sidenote
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Joined: 24 Nov 2013 Posts: 240 Location: Scotland
I like this theory, but I think it's something worse than smoke due to the several times in which Tim has coughed up blood (and quite a considerable amount)
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:46 pm
Sha Noran
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Props to Ristar for beating me to the punch on drowning. That has been my theory on the coughing since 65, with various TTA dialogue really helping that along. Seeing Tim get dunked several times in what looked like a lake pretty much sealed the deal for me.
Trying to suggest that TO emits a gas that causes the sickness makes MH into a four year fart joke. Despite the alarming likelihood of that given Trosephim's nature, that would be disappointing, so no.
Radiation sounds good on paper but it is too logical an explanation for my taste. The Operator seems much too abstract an entity to me to be releasing a quantity of radiation we could measure. TO seems immeasurable to me.
The coolest spectrum of this smoke inhalation theory to me is the symbolism of Tim smoking cigarettes tying into it. Cigarettes are basically a chronic habit of smoke inhalation.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:44 pm
Ascalondion
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Sha Noran wrote:
The coolest spectrum of this smoke inhalation theory to me is the symbolism of Tim smoking cigarettes tying into it. Cigarettes are basically a chronic habit of smoke inhalation.
When I read your remarks I couldn't help but think of how this symbolizes that maybe Tim is the source of all this trouble: Like a smoker, he not only causes himself harm, he also (and maybe even more) puts the health of the people surrounding him at risk; they'll start coughing too, due to passive smoking.
You know, I don't want to say this is a thing, but I had to smile a bit when I thought of that symbolism, and therefore thought I'd share it with you, regardless of how far off the mark it is.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:07 pm
lonsumtravlr
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Sha Noran wrote:
Radiation sounds good on paper but it is too logical an explanation for my taste. The Operator seems much too abstract an entity to me to be releasing a quantity of radiation we could measure. TO seems immeasurable to me.
Well, I didn't mean to say it was the only reason for the coughing. I think there's trauma involved, and Tim at least had some direct connection with the fire at the hospital (rather, it seems pretty apparent--and Entry #83 has pretty much clinched it).
Nor did I mean to say that this was radiation that could be measured. Granted, EMH came up with the concept of "Sigma radiation" to work around the cause of coughing being unrelated. We don't know what TO is or where it comes from, and it obeys its own laws of physics, so it could be some sort of radiation that contaminates its surroundings. Tim and Alex are those who have had the most prolonged exposure to TO, as they've coughed up blood.
Your comment about Tim's cigarette smoking made me think of Entry #64, where the coughing increases the further Tim and Jay go in the wooded area of Rosswood Park, and it's difficult to tell
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
until they get to the tunnel
whether the coughing is from Tim's intense smoking or something else.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:29 pm
JAL13
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Marble Hornets wrote:
I posted a theory a while ago that depicted the feeling of drowning when the symptom that causes coughing sets in. One of the early TTA videos shows a lung expanding and contracting.
No. That theory was wrong. Sorry try again.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:38 pm
Cyan507
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whether the coughing is from Tim's intense smoking or something else.
well that was pretty much the theory I had.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:40 pm
Marble Hornets
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Cigarettes could make you cough up blood, but again, not nearly as much as Tim has been shown coughing up. Alex coughing up blood also debunks that theory since he doesn't smoke.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:58 pm
Ristar
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Marble Hornets wrote:
Cigarettes could make you cough up blood, but again, not nearly as much as Tim has been shown coughing up. Alex coughing up blood also debunks that theory since he doesn't smoke.
It strikes me as weird that this theory is based on smoke instead of fire, i dont know why
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:24 am
knightmare
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I've always thought the coughing was just a physical manifestation of the slendysickness, similar to headaches, seizures, and memory loss. I see it as more of a supernatural cause than a physical one.
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:57 pm
gennerx
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knightmare wrote:
I've always thought the coughing was just a physical manifestation of the slendysickness, similar to headaches, seizures, and memory loss. I see it as more of a supernatural cause than a physical one.
It is but that doesn't mean it can't be related to an event in Tim's past. It could be a supernatural recreation of the event that brought TO into everyone's lives, the hospital fire. I'm still going with the assumption that Tim unleashed Slendy and this theory ties into that nicely.
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:15 pm
Marble Hornets
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Ristar wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Cigarettes could make you cough up blood, but again, not nearly as much as Tim has been shown coughing up. Alex coughing up blood also debunks that theory since he doesn't smoke.
It strikes me as weird that this theory is based on smoke instead of fire, i dont know why
We've seen fire a handful of times, never really directly linked to the operator himself just loosely associated, and he surely doesn't have any power to produce fire out of thin air or we'd have seen it already
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:26 pm
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