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[VIDEO] Entry #85
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Cool entry but I don't see why the showdown couldn't have just happened then and there

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Actually, Tim isn't alone. He's never alone.
He still has Masky.
And Masky has never hesitated to be violent towards Alex... whether or not those were direct orders from Hoody or not. Choking, punching, stabbing. I'm assuming the hatred he feels toward Alex is still present.

Maybe all Tim really needs to do is buy a gun and a knife and stop taking his meds. Oh, and leave Masky some detailed letters to let him know what's going on (unless Masky is actually aware of what's going on even when he's gone underground).

Sometimes I wonder who is the real "original" Tim... was it Masky? Maybe it was his headaches, speech difficulties, seizures, hallucinations and possibly violent tendencies that institutionalized him. Maybe he came first, and the Tim we know was born when Masky was medicated.

It seems like "current Tim" was not aware of the Operator until he started working with Jay. (The story is pretty obviously hinting now that the operator started with or was created by Tim.) If the Masky personality was dominant when Tim was a child, maybe, when he started taking the medication and Masky went "underground" the Operator couldn't find him anymore... then he started attaching himself to other people like Alex.

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Caffeinated Civet wrote:
I was thinking about what Alex meant by "it's all Tim's fault - he left them there." Alex sounds like he only recently found out about Tim's actions - "I thought it was me but it was your fault it happened." "It happened" was during the original filming so there must be some footage that we haven't seen but Alex has seen recently.

There were two sources of footage that we have seen, Alex's and Tim's. Alex recorded footage on at least two cameras, the one he shot most of his home footage on and the camera Seth had. Alex had the last footage that Seth shot before he was "taken" and presumably he saw all of the other footage - it didn't seem like Seth was interested in investigating anything on his own, he was just Alex's cameraman.

So, the footage must have come from Tim's camera. But Jay looked through the tapes that Tim had and he didn't post anything that looked like Tim was guilty of anything and nothing like he "left them there." So we've see all of the footage that was shot right?

Something occurred to me - what happened to the camera that Alex loaned Tim? How many tapes did Tim have the day that Alex attacked him? Tim didn't know how long Alex was planning to be at the hospital that day - he asked Alex whether he was going to do any filming and who knows how long that would take. It would make sense for him to bring several tapes. There wasn't any footage after that day, Jay would have uploaded it.

Wouldn't it make sense for Tim to switch out the tape at least one more time? He seemed determined to film himself in entry 57 and he was awake the next day. We know that cameras like that can record at least three tapes with one battery, entry 38 and the two tapes that make up entry 50 were recorded on the same charge.

What happened to Brian in entry 51? When the Operator appeared Alex disappeared and Brian was left with Alex's camera. Brian takes the camera and goes looking for Alex. He doesn't seem to have been affected at all by the Operator's presence or even to have noticed it - "Alex! Quit screwing around!" Brian then finds Tim coughing in a corner. The Operator appears and…

Alex's camera stops recording. This isn't unusual in the Operator's presence - sometimes cameras can record it, sometimes they can't. When the camera starts back up Alex is seen dragging an unconscious Brian into another room - and Tim is gone…

What happened while Alex's camera wasn't recording? Just looking at the footage that Alex's camera recorded it looks like Alex is guilty of something - after all he was the only one there after Brian was hurt. But wasn't someone there before Brian was hurt?

Alex didn't take back the camera he had loaned Tim that day - after dragging Brian into another room he immediately picks up his camera and immediately leaves. After this Tim didn't record any more footage and later said he didn't remember what happened to the camera.

So - who was left with the camera?

What footage haven't we seen?

What happened to Brian - and why does Alex say it was Tim's fault?


I've got a question: Where the hell have you been since cracking TTA's code on the "Program" thread?

You're talking about Entry #51... Tim didn't drag Brian into the room or take the camera out. That was Alex. That's how he got the tape. Look at the shoes. Blue canvas sneaks with white stripes and non-matching laces. Same as Alex has worn throughout the series--or at least since season 2... (Tim always wears what seem to be work boots--see Entry #59 when Jay's camera catches his and Tim's feet during Tim's "Who the hell's gonna care?" monologue or around 6:12 of Entry #85, when Tim reenters his house and finds himself standing in lighter fluid.) Much of the rest has probably been lost to Oppy distortion and selective editing.

That is a good question about the camera that Alex loaned Tim. I have no answer for that, because if I'm right about Alex taking the camera that captured Brian being dragged into the room, then what the hell happened to Tim when TO showed up? Did Brian merely faint when he saw TO? Did both get teleported and Brian ended up back there somehow only to be knocked out and left for dead by Alex? Entry #51's a beautiful entry for thickening the mystery and heightening the creepiness, but the chronology of events, of why TO apparently didn't take or knock out Brian (maybe he happened to be on the same meds as Tim? But there's no proof of that till after he became Hoody), and of what happened during the first time the camera picture cut out and the sound was distorted, and then when the camera froze, blacked out, and then restarted when Brian was dragged into that room.

My guess is that Tim had it with him. There's something odd about how cameras play such a crucial role in the lives of those affected by The Operator. After he woke up from getting clubbed by Alex with the rebar, he must have sought out the camera with which we saw the Entry #56 footage (or maybe it wasn't that dark yet, so he didn't have to worry about searching hard for it?). He really seemed to need it, because he carried it throughout Entry #57. Wouldn't be surprised if it were in his jacket pocket.

Maybe TO just dazed Brian and either wiped or abducted Tim again, and Alex came back to knock Brian out and had believed that both Brian and Tim were gone for good? I think this one will never be fully resolved to everyone's satisfaction (same with Entry #12 and "Impurity", goddammit).

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device wrote:
Sometimes I wonder who is the real "original" Tim... was it Masky? Maybe it was his headaches, speech difficulties, seizures, hallucinations and possibly violent tendencies that institutionalized him. Maybe he came first, and the Tim we know was born when Masky was medicated.

It seems like "current Tim" was not aware of the Operator until he started working with Jay. (The story is pretty obviously hinting now that the operator started with or was created by Tim.) If the Masky personality was dominant when Tim was a child, maybe, when he started taking the medication and Masky went "underground" the Operator couldn't find him anymore... then he started attaching himself to other people like Alex.


That's a great question. "Current Tim" seems mainly to be a product not only of the realization of his disorder and second personality, but also of the confirmation that there was a real basis to the purported hallucinations that traumatized him as a kid as well as of having the tougher, more sarcastic exterior that seems to be one he adopted after being cast in Alex's movie, broken down.

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For some reason I have an image in my head of Alex leaving a message on someone's phone saying something like "Hi Bob, it's Alex. I went to your house to drop off those books I borrowed. You weren't in so I burned your house down. See you later!"

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If Alex only recently came to the realization that Tim is to blame, and we know (or at least it has been assumed) that he watches the Marble Hornets footage, then Entry 84 could have tipped him off to that. He could have seen, like us, that when Tim appeared on camera, you get the first chronological instance of the visual tear, as well as the first chronological appearance (discounting Entry 37) of TO.

Entry 84, combined with the revelations in Entry 66, as well as Tim's medical records could point the finger at Tim being the one that "introduced" TO to the Marble Hornets crew.

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Dacad wrote:
As for why Tim didn't jump Alex, I was wondering that the whole time myself. This is the first time Tim has ever confronted a gun wielding Alex, though, so maybe he froze up.

Well, it isn't quite - remember the end of season 2? - but that was when he was in the middle of getting his mask on, and it's well established that he's more aggressive when he's in that state.

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A thought occurs: we do have at least one other reason to think that the idea that this is all Tim's fault and he's the source is merely a theory that Alex (and to a lesser extent Tim) have bought into, rather than the absolute truth, is the fact that Tim and Brian were buddies for years without Brian ever being "infected".

Regardless of whether The Operator is a physical manifestation of whatever's up with Tim, or whether he's an independent entity that just happened to latch on to Lil' Tim-Tims, if this is solely a matter of Tim being a plague carrier Brian should have been well and truly Slenderfied before Marble Hornets even began filming. He wasn't.

That suggests to me that something prompted the Operator to come out during the filming process. Possibly Alex had also had an Operator experience when he was younger which he had forgotten, and it was bringing Tim and Alex together which caused the outbreak (much like bringing two pieces of radioactive material together can kick off an uncontrolled chain reaction). Or maybe something happened which stopped Tim getting to his pills just long enough for the symptoms to come back. Either way, count me in with the "Alex is oversimplifying things way too much" camp: Tim can't be the sole factor in sparking what happened during the filming of MH, something more had to be going on.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
A thought occurs: we do have at least one other reason to think that the idea that this is all Tim's fault and he's the source is merely a theory that Alex (and to a lesser extent Tim) have bought into, rather than the absolute truth, is the fact that Tim and Brian were buddies for years without Brian ever being "infected".

Regardless of whether The Operator is a physical manifestation of whatever's up with Tim, or whether he's an independent entity that just happened to latch on to Lil' Tim-Tims, if this is solely a matter of Tim being a plague carrier Brian should have been well and truly Slenderfied before Marble Hornets even began filming. He wasn't.

That suggests to me that something prompted the Operator to come out during the filming process. Possibly Alex had also had an Operator experience when he was younger which he had forgotten, and it was bringing Tim and Alex together which caused the outbreak (much like bringing two pieces of radioactive material together can kick off an uncontrolled chain reaction). Or maybe something happened which stopped Tim getting to his pills just long enough for the symptoms to come back. Either way, count me in with the "Alex is oversimplifying things way too much" camp: Tim can't be the sole factor in sparking what happened during the filming of MH, something more had to be going on.


I was going to argue that Brian may have had symptoms that we didn't know about, but I think you might be on to something. The Brian we saw from the old Marble Hornets tapes was a cheerful, well adjusted person who liked helping his friends. Definitely not what we see from Alex, Jay, and Tim.

Here's my theory. As a child, Tim was stalked by the Operator. At some point, however, his psychiatrists did.... something.... that made him functional. The Operator didn't go away, but he/it was weakened to the point that nobody was even aware it existed. Enter the film project. Alex accidentally captures the Operator on camera. Rather than ignore this weird camera glitch like most people have up to this point, he investigates. Somehow, this empowers the Operator and enables him/it to grow stronger. Rather than appearing as a figure at the end of a street far away, it can appear right outside a window, and eventually in a house.

If this theory is accurate, then what I really want to know is this: what happened to Tim as a child that made him temporarily a normal person? We do know that he was somewhat functional prior to the events of the student film.

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not sure if we're going to get the ending we all want though.


Since we don't all want the same ending, that goes without saying.

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If Tim or Jay went to the police, they would probably get thrown in an asylum if they mentioned anything about TO or claimed they thought what was on the tapes was real, the cops just wouldn't believe them.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
One thing that's pretty dumb is Alex says "you know where to find me"

Which isn't true, otherwise Tim wouldn't have spent 6 weeks waiting around...


I have to assume dumb is what they're going for. I mean the guy was literally surrounding himself with lighter fluid in an enclosed space and challenging someone who, for all he knew, had gone crazy again. I think Alex is just in "IDGAF" mode at this point.

And this isn't really relevant to anything, but I think they were on to something when they had Tim playing the banjo. In-game it wouldn't have made sense to do this, but if they had put the audio of him playing over the next couple of clips of him, that would have been pretty cool.


How is it dumb for Alex to say that when so much of the series--including the sites of Alex's attacks on other members of the MH cast and crew, many TO appearances, and much of the warping in Entry #83--took place at Tim's old hospital or the woods of Rosswood Park near the hospital? Those are the most logical guesses. Tim had been trying to draw Alex out, not the other way round.

Agreed on Alex's mood. But I think it's fair to say he's been in that mood for a while. (Or that if he gives a fuck about anything, it's doing what he thinks will end this.)

Geneaux486, were you making a duelling banjos reference? Otherwise, I'm not sure I follow you.


It's obviously dumb because like I said, if Tim knew where to find Alex, he wouldn't be sitting on his ass. Alex saying "you know where to find me" implies Tim is just gonna magically "remember" where to find Alex or something dumb like that


Nah, its not dumb.

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On the subject of "why Tim won't call the cops"

Tim doesn't have to show the police all eighty five videos including ones where he may have broken the law, he could just be like "Hey, here's this video of a guy setting my house on fire - that same house that was on the news last night burning down. Please go arrest him."

I'm pretty sure even Tim would agree that the entire Tuscaloosa PD (or wherever we are IG at this point) would stand up better against Alex+TheOperator than just Tim alone.

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Magyk wrote:
On the subject of "why Tim won't call the cops"

Tim doesn't have to show the police all eighty five videos including ones where he may have broken the law, he could just be like "Hey, here's this video of a guy setting my house on fire - that same house that was on the news last night burning down. Please go arrest him."

I'm pretty sure even Tim would agree that the entire Tuscaloosa PD (or wherever we are IG at this point) would stand up better against Alex+TheOperator than just Tim alone.

True, but knowing how police operate, they would ask too many questions about why Alex was after him in the first place. And you always have to wonder if TO would step in and prevent it somehow.

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Zarggg wrote:
This sort of post is not appropriate here. Consider this a warning.

People keep telling that to Marble Hornets with no consequences, why are they not getting warnings?

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