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lonsumtravlr
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gennerx wrote:
My guess is one. Didn't they say they were going to end in June.
That's why I had hoped for a little more in this entry.


They'd said June if possible. That doesn't mean they'll only release one more video. Troy said they'd try to pick up production, so there could be two or three. But there'll be no more than three.

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I wonder: will the next Entry (hopefully Tim vs Alex) be like Entries 65 and 83? Or will it be more like the scene where Brian actually died
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(I'm assuming here that he actually did die, despite my WMG on TvTropes that he's alive)
? I'm also guessing two entries. One to deal with Alex, and then one to resolve the series. That will be either:
- Tim posting a suicide note, saying he will end this and keep the Operator from spreading.
- Answers. Sweet, sweet answers. Even if it's just Tim talking to the camera and speculating, that would be fine. Also, if Tim says it, Serum will take it as truth, and that's good enough.
- Tim, possibly using his Masky state, defeats the Operator. It wouldn't be totally without precedent; in Entry 72 Tim was able to drive off the Operator. On the other hand, he only made himself last that long because he was protecting Jay. Now, he has nobody to fight for.

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Good God this entry. The trio really have evolved out of their "found footage" style and really put the effort into making great performances!

I like how they humanized the house before burning it down. Watching Tim do normal, human things made him already more lovable than that other guy who died... what was his name again? (lol jk Laughing)

Now what really startled me is

Alex: "I thought it was me, but you're the source!"

Is this because Alex watched Entry #84? If he did, then he probably noted that the Operator only started following him after he met Tim.

If you watch Entry #84, you'll notice that before Tim starts reading his lines and the screen goes black, there's a small glitch at the bottom of the camera. What could that mean? What else could there be in Entry #84 that would make Alex think that way?

Well whatever it was, Alex took note of that. And now he's blaming Tim for everything. But judging by how angry Alex is, it just seems like he wanted to find a reason to blame Tim for everything.

Alex: "Everyone is gone because of you! YOU left Jay! and YOU left Brian!

I can understand the first part of "you left Jay," but I can't really understand how Tim left Brian. Was it in Entry #51? Was it around the time that totheark posted "Isolation"? I'm not quite sure on that.

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Maybe he means Tim as Masky, left Brian as Hoody as TTA?

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I don't think Alex calling Tim the source of everything is just him trying to shift the blame off of himself.While I'm sure he likes blaming Tim it feels like Alex has pieced something together from all the entries. Alex is the source of all the original filming (Minus Tim's hospital tapes) so he's entirely likely to still have some info we don't know about. For all we know, he could've been referencing a hidden tape he has, much like #84 and Hoody having a secret tape he'd reference.
If I'm correct in my assumption that Alex has proof Tim's the cause of everything then I'm confident that "YOU KNOW where to find me" is talking about the hospital near Rosswood. That'd be the most fitting place for Tim to finally reveal his "secret". Plus, the really long hospital arc wouldn't feel so contrived any longer. It was the scene of Alex attacking Tim/Brian, the forming of TTA, Tim's medical history being revealed and his first contact with TO and the birth of Masky. Its really the source of all the hatred between Alex and TTA, so it feels fitting for Tim/Alex's final face-off to happen there and end the feud at last.

Alex may actually have motivation to upload the final entry then; he'd kill Tim and then post the footage alongside a tape proving Tim's the source of TO in order to justify his actions.
Alex would then probably give a final 'explanation' of the series from his point of view, explaining what Hoody's motive was, why Jay uploading the tapes was so terrible, and then write THE END, thus finishing the project he started so many years ago. Whether Alex turns himself into the police, gets slendernapped, or otherwise lives an empty isolated existence until he dies will be left to our imagination.

edit: To be clear, I'm implying that Tim's secret IS that he's the problem and he knew it. The whole series is really Tim letting Alex take the blame for his tragedy and watching all his friends get increasingly mental and killed off believing it.
At the very least, I expect Alex to

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Hazman wrote:
Maybe he means Tim as Masky, left Brian as Hoody as TTA?


I interpreted that as him saying that because Tim set everything into motion, it was ultimately Tim's fault. Though we don't know what the hell happened to Tim after Brian found him in Entry #51. Also, Tim did leave Brian (assuming, safely I believe, that Brian is Hoody) in Entry #83 after he fell from the second floor, when TO appeared.

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ToTheArcanine wrote:
Alex may actually have motivation to upload the final entry then; he'd kill Tim and then post the footage alongside a tape proving Tim's the source of TO in order to justify his actions.
Alex would then probably give a final 'explanation' of the series from his point of view, explaining what Hoody's motive was, why Jay uploading the tapes was so terrible, and then write THE END, thus finishing the project he started so many years ago. Whether Alex turns himself into the police, gets slendernapped, or otherwise lives an empty isolated existence until he dies will be left to our imagination.


I hope there isn't some long explanation like that. That's one thing the trio isn't that adept at doing. They're better with rapid dialogue, snarkiness, irony, showing their characters interact with their situation. They're not that adept at writing long monologues--not yet, anyway, at this stage in their careers. (Though I loved Tim's performance of it, the "What if I'm responsible!" speech in Entry #66 seemed a bit forced, though I also thought that's because Troy seemed to be feeding Tim lines rather than portraying Jay as someone physically present when the other pours his heart out.)

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I still feel like too much in the series contradicts those lines, and they didn't plan this entry out well enough both in plot and dialogue.

"Everyone is gone because of you. YOU left Jay. YOU left Brian"

But Alex was the one that shot Jay and shot at Jessica. Even if you want to argue Alex was in a masky state when he shot Jay, he clearly wasn't when he pulled a gun on Jessica and in entry 52 as well. And even if he was, Masky saving Jay from Alex shows that the masked figures are in control of their own actions.

As far as the source line goes, how is Alex just finding out about that now? We found this out months ago during the hospital visit, and in game Alex watches the MH channel. This begs the question of why he didn't just kill Jay/Tim when he had the chance in entry 64 if he wanted them dead.


I really hope they go out with a bang. The reveal of Brian as Hoody was incredibly lackluster and the fact that all they had to show us in a penultimate entry was Tim's house being burned down to me says that they lack the creativity to go out with the bang I am expecting. I'm not saying that they aren't talented, just that they need to do things on a bigger scale than they have been.

I just want the past 5 years of watching to have a payoff. I don't need a happy ending or a realistic ending, I just need closure for these characters and an explanation as to why they were acting the way they were, both in and out of a masked state. If it just ends with Tim killing Alex and going on to live his life as the operator stalks him in the background unknown to him, I will never recommend this series to anyone else.

They need to cut down on worrying about focusing on moments that are eye-catching (like setting a house on fire) and worry more about fleshing out the details of the plot and characters before this is all over.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I still feel like too much in the series contradicts those lines, and they didn't plan this entry out well enough both in plot and dialogue.

"Everyone is gone because of you. YOU left Jay. YOU left Brian"

But Alex was the one that shot Jay and shot at Jessica. Even if you want to argue Alex was in a masky state when he shot Jay, he clearly wasn't when he pulled a gun on Jessica and in entry 52 as well. And even if he was, Masky saving Jay from Alex shows that the masked figures are in control of their own actions.

As far as the source line goes, how is Alex just finding out about that now? We found this out months ago during the hospital visit, and in game Alex watches the MH channel. This begs the question of why he didn't just kill Jay/Tim when he had the chance in entry 64 if he wanted them dead.


It's not clear to me, at least, that Alex is just finding this out now. He doesn't seem to be any consistently methodical killer. The best ruse he had was shooting B-roll or scouting locations and waiting for the others to show up. It seems that for whatever reason he's finally taking a course of action to get Tim. As for the all of this happened "BECAUSE OF YOU!" I don't see why that can't just be Alex, whether out of madness or anger or a perverse sense of justice or addled memory or TO's influence or some combination of all of them, saying that to deflect blame from himself, if only for himself--sort of "I did this and I'm fucked up, but I'm fucked up (ultimately) because of you, and so I did this (ultimately) because of you." It's not the soundest logic (although it does bear some truth), but it's not as if it isn't to be expected from someone caught up in a pretty damn horrible process that has him doing things he otherwise likely wouldn't do.

Marble Hornets wrote:
I really hope they go out with a bang. The reveal of Brian as Hoody was incredibly lackluster and the fact that all they had to show us in a penultimate entry was Tim's house being burned down to me says that they lack the creativity to go out with the bang I am expecting. I'm not saying that they aren't talented, just that they need to do things on a bigger scale than they have been.


I don't think anyone would accuse you of accusing the trio of having no talent, and I don't think it's a matter of talent. Or of creativity, really. It seems that MH became a lot bigger than they'd thought, they were still feeling their way around developing longer narratives and more complex characterization, a lot of stuff came up and waylaid conclusion of the series, and now they've got some pressure both to move on and yet to wrap this up in a way that won't alienate all of their fans. They probably both love the series and yet can't wait to have it off their backs so they can move on, and yet they don't want to drop the ball and lose it. Practically, DVD and box set sales are on the line. But so's reputation and also their fanbase--especially those who want to see more MH style work from them and those who love everything and anything they do. They did confirm on their Kickstarter that they're going to attempt two different series--one that's more in the horror/mystery mode and one that's comedy.

In the next one I'm hoping for a little more cursing. Nothing along the lines of TribeTwelve, which in this respect overdoes it and shows a lack of creativity with dialogue. But no one could've faulted them for a few S- and F-bombs now and then.

Marble Hornets wrote:
I just need closure for these characters and an explanation as to why they were acting the way they were, both in and out of a masked state. If it just ends with Tim killing Alex and going on to live his life as the operator stalks him in the background unknown to him, I will never recommend this series to anyone else.


I wouldn't go that far, though that would be a letdown, yes. Up to and including Entry #72, the series run (minus a few episodes) has contained some of my personal favorite things ever filmed, and I'd say more than a couple of their entries are in the running for some of the best things ever filmed. They're trying to bring this in for a landing, and it's arguably been a sort of laboratory for them to experiment, too, with the techy stuff, with acting styles, with dialogue writing...

Marble Hornets wrote:
They need to cut down on worrying about focusing on moments that are eye-catching (like setting a house on fire) and worry more about fleshing out the details of the plot and characters before this is all over.


Agreed, but the fire was pretty damn cool, and I don't think it's only an "eye-catching" stunt. It has its place in a series in which fire has already played a pretty big thematic role.

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They need to cut down on worrying about focusing on moments that are eye-catching (like setting a house on fire) and worry more about fleshing out the details of the plot and characters before this is all over.


I think they'll be able to do both; give us eye-catching, seat-gripping tension and plot closure.

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Cyan507 wrote:
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They need to cut down on worrying about focusing on moments that are eye-catching (like setting a house on fire) and worry more about fleshing out the details of the plot and characters before this is all over.


I think they'll be able to do both; give us eye-catching, seat-gripping tension and plot closure.


That's the hope!

I admit, I have it.

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Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?






The slendydoll.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?






The slendydoll.


was kinda hoping it'd prove as some form of voodoo doll of TO, i dunno

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Cyan507 wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?






The slendydoll.


was kinda hoping it'd prove as some form of voodoo doll of TO, i dunno


I kinda believe the idea floating around all the way back in Entry #60 that while the doll isn't necessarily "Good" or "Evil," it can offer some protection against TO. Because there is absolutely no way in bloody fucking hell that Jay should have gotten away from TO in the tunnel! Other escapes were plausible, but not that one. Even if it somehow attracted TO, it must have done something to help prevent TO from getting Jay.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?






The slendydoll.


was kinda hoping it'd prove as some form of voodoo doll of TO, i dunno


I kinda believe the idea floating around all the way back in Entry #60 that while the doll isn't necessarily "Good" or "Evil," it can offer some protection against TO. Because there is absolutely no way in bloody fucking hell that Jay should have gotten away from TO in the tunnel! Other escapes were plausible, but not that one. Even if it somehow attracted TO, it must have done something to help prevent TO from getting Jay.


I dunno, I want it to come back but it's realllly late now and we never saw Tim take anything but Jay's laptop from his car. Granted Alex could be at the college right now and Jay's car is still there unless it's either been towed or set alight, his stuff is still there for the taking. There's no Hoody to steal it now.

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