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I think the pills are some kind of anti-anxiety medication, which diminishes prevents the fear that TO feeds off of.


It would certainly seem like negative emotions seem in allure TO. I know it's cliché but it can almost definitely smell fear.

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For one, I don't think Hoody was an alter-ego of Brian. I think Brian was Hoody at all times, and maybe used that Tape we saw two entries ago to remember who he was (this could also explain that motif of the two lights (stoplights in the video) that symbolize the eyes of Hoodys mask as a way of identifying himself).


If Hoody isn't an alter ego, why would Brian need to remember who he is?
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Going off on sort of a tangent, I don't quite understand the pill's significance. For one thing, we see its abilities to fight off the effects of the Operator, and we also see its importance to Tim to prevent seizures, most likely fighting off the same effects. But what I don't get is why they are so important once you have Masky, or Hoody for that matter. When they are in that state, they STILL go tirelessly after those pills. Does it make them stop being Masky/Hoody? I doubt it, because we have seen Hoody take numerous pills and just remain Hoody.


Hoody's the only one who has gone after these pills. And don't forget how Hoody stole Tim's pills in #61 so he would go Masky. You could be right about Brian having knowledge about being Hoody because his behavior is much different from Masky's but the fact that Masky can be repelled by the pills similarly to TO is interesting as the persona of Masky was likely created by Tim to deal with TO.

What I'm trying to say is that Tim's Masky personality is technically one of the side-effects from TO. So by taking the pills he will not only nullify the presence of TO, but most side effects as well.

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Going off on sort of a tangent, I don't quite understand the pill's significance. For one thing, we see its abilities to fight off the effects of the Operator, and we also see its importance to Tim to prevent seizures, most likely fighting off the same effects. But what I don't get is why they are so important once you have Masky, or Hoody for that matter. When they are in that state, they STILL go tirelessly after those pills. Does it make them stop being Masky/Hoody? I doubt it, because we have seen Hoody take numerous pills and just remain Hoody.


Here's the thing--and this is a shot in the dark--but maybe there really is something special about Tim's situation so that those pills neutralize that Masky persona, while the pills don't have the same effect on Brian/Hoody because Brian/Hoody's condition is entirely different even though it has similar effects? Maybe Brian wasn't so completely fucked over by TO in the same way that Tim was? Tim has a long, long history with TO. Brian apparently doesn't until Kralie Productions began filming MH. Also, despite some major traumatic incidents in Tim's life, it seems that whatever happened during or after (or more likely both during and after) Entry #51 was so profound it shock and awed Brian for good. The pills had the effect of combatting effects of TO exposure, but who's to say they had the same effect on personality that they did on Tim?

The thing about MH is that everyone's a victim. That doesn't let a lot of the characters off the hook. Alex is a serial killer and a crazy fugitive. Brian was a mad Ahab trying to get justice or vengeance. Jay seemed like a good guy, but he did some crappy things (getting Jessica involved and posting Tim's medical history to YouTube). Tim isn't really innocent, even though he's had the longest history of TO exposure. He still may be holding something back (I know it came long after--both IG and OOG--Tim discovered Jay's Marble Hornets channel, but the start of Entry #83 can be interpreted as offering some evidence that Tim knew more about being Masky and his relationship with Hoody in that state--when he swats the mask away, for example). He did "infect" everyone else with TO. He isn't entirely to be trusted just because anyone feels sorry for him because he's lost his house, had a history of mental illness and possibly abuse, and really did care for Jay and want to protect him (I don't see any reason to doubt that).

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Hoody's the only one who has gone after these pills. And don't forget how Hoody stole Tim's pills in #61 so he would go Masky. You could be right about Brian having knowledge about being Hoody because his behavior is much different from Masky's but the fact that Masky can be repelled by the pills similarly to TO is interesting as the persona of Masky was likely created by Tim to deal with TO.

What I'm trying to say is that Tim's Masky personality is technically one of the side-effects from TO. So by taking the pills he will not only nullify the presence of TO, but most side effects as well.


Yes, but if what I say is true above (not saying that it is; just staying that I think it is), the Masky personality is a side effect that manifested in Tim. It didn't necessarily appear in Brian or Alex or even Jay. There's not strong evidence of that. Personality changes, memory loss, even mood swings and immediate withdrawal signs (such as when Tim takes Jay's camera in Entry #77). Alex was apparently able to go "clean" without any medication--all he had to do was put cameras away (I can't help but wonder whether he changed his major after leaving College town--he didn't seem to want to have any cameras around).

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Cyan507 wrote:
Going off on sort of a tangent, I don't quite understand the pill's significance. For one thing, we see its abilities to fight off the effects of the Operator, and we also see its importance to Tim to prevent seizures, most likely fighting off the same effects. But what I don't get is why they are so important once you have Masky, or Hoody for that matter. When they are in that state, they STILL go tirelessly after those pills. Does it make them stop being Masky/Hoody? I doubt it, because we have seen Hoody take numerous pills and just remain Hoody.


Here's the thing--and this is a shot in the dark--but maybe there really is something special about Tim's situation so that those pills neutralize that Masky persona, while the pills don't have the same effect on Brian/Hoody because Brian/Hoody's condition is entirely different even though it has similar effects? Maybe Brian wasn't so completely fucked over by TO in the same way that Tim was? Tim has a long, long history with TO. Brian apparently doesn't until Kralie Productions began filming MH. Also, despite some major traumatic incidents in Tim's life, it seems that whatever happened during or after (or more likely both during and after) Entry #51 was so profound it shock and awed Brian for good. The pills had the effect of combatting effects of TO exposure, but who's to say they had the same effect on personality that they did on Tim?

The thing about MH is that everyone's a victim. That doesn't let a lot of the characters off the hook. Alex is a serial killer and a crazy fugitive. Brian was a mad Ahab trying to get justice or vengeance. Jay seemed like a good guy, but he did some crappy things (getting Jessica involved and posting Tim's medical history to YouTube). Tim isn't really innocent, even though he's had the longest history of TO exposure. He still may be holding something back (I know it came long after--both IG and OOG--Tim discovered Jay's Marble Hornets channel, but the start of Entry #83 can be interpreted as offering some evidence that Tim knew more about being Masky and his relationship with Hoody in that state--when he swats the mask away, for example). He did "infect" everyone else with TO. He isn't entirely to be trusted just because anyone feels sorry for him because he's lost his house, had a history of mental illness and possibly abuse, and really did care for Jay and want to protect him (I don't see any reason to doubt that).

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Hoody's the only one who has gone after these pills. And don't forget how Hoody stole Tim's pills in #61 so he would go Masky. You could be right about Brian having knowledge about being Hoody because his behavior is much different from Masky's but the fact that Masky can be repelled by the pills similarly to TO is interesting as the persona of Masky was likely created by Tim to deal with TO.

What I'm trying to say is that Tim's Masky personality is technically one of the side-effects from TO. So by taking the pills he will not only nullify the presence of TO, but most side effects as well.


Yes, but if what I say is true above (not saying that it is; just staying that I think it is), the Masky personality is a side effect that manifested in Tim. It didn't necessarily appear in Brian or Alex or even Jay. There's not strong evidence of that. Personality changes, memory loss, even mood swings and immediate withdrawal signs (such as when Tim takes Jay's camera in Entry #77). Alex was apparently able to go "clean" without any medication--all he had to do was put cameras away (I can't help but wonder whether he changed his major after leaving College town--he didn't seem to want to have any cameras around).


Alex is a special case. For some reason he's able to be near TO without suffering any physical effects. He can chase TO around the playground when everyone else falls to the ground in a coughing fit.

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Alex is a special case. For some reason he's able to be near TO without suffering any physical effects. He can chase TO around the playground when everyone else falls to the ground in a coughing fit.


Alex coughed a lot in Season Two. Even started spitting up blood after coughing. Not denying that he's a "special case"; rather, I'm wondering about how he's a special case.

Also, about Jay's first coughing fit all the way back in Entry #16--do we really know that that was his first coughing fit? Maybe something happened in 2006? We don't really have a way to know for certain, but maybe he started coughing like that because of some prior exposure? It's already clear that he was involved with the doomed MH film project early on and that Alex tried to bump him off after giving him the tapes.

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Here's the thing--and this is a shot in the dark--but maybe there really is something special about Tim's situation so that those pills neutralize that Masky persona, while the pills don't have the same effect on Brian/Hoody because Brian/Hoody's condition is entirely different even though it has similar effects? Maybe Brian wasn't so completely fucked over by TO in the same way that Tim was? Tim has a long, long history with TO. Brian apparently doesn't until Kralie Productions began filming MH. Also, despite some major traumatic incidents in Tim's life, it seems that whatever happened during or after (or more likely both during and after) Entry #51 was so profound it shock and awed Brian for good. The pills had the effect of combatting effects of TO exposure, but who's to say they had the same effect on personality that they did on Tim?


I think the fact that Tim has been around TO longer actually gives it less of an effect on Tim. Kind of how being exposed to a allergen for a extended amount of time can help the human body develop an intolerance to it (e.g. I have asthma and coeliac disease, yet over the years the effects of being around smoke/dust and eating wheat haven lessened). Plus TO haunted Tim, it never "attacked" him. I don't think it attacks a host but rather parties who get involved or prey the host lures. This might explain why Tim didn't in #64-#64, because he probably should have.

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Yes, but if what I say is true above (not saying that it is; just staying that I think it is), the Masky personality is a side effect that manifested in Tim. It didn't necessarily appear in Brian or Alex or even Jay. There's not strong evidence of that. Personality changes, memory loss, even mood swings and immediate withdrawal signs (such as when Tim takes Jay's camera in Entry #77). Alex was apparently able to go "clean" without any medication--all he had to do was put cameras away (I can't help but wonder whether he changed his major after leaving College town--he didn't seem to want to have any cameras around).


What if everyone has a different way of coping with TO? Tim has Masky, Brian has Hoody, Jay filmed and towards the end displayed symptoms similar to Alex like obsessions with filming everything and becoming irritable and violent. Like you said everyone experienced personality changes. Even so far as withdrawal goes Jay experienced in #78. But back to the point you're making, Alex never took medicine and was never shown to take any. The term "going clean" wouldn't make sense in relation to him because we never saw him taking any meds. Although if he had he may not have been as violent.

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Cyan507 wrote:
I think the fact that Tim has been around TO longer actually gives it less of an effect on Tim. Kind of how being exposed to a allergen for a extended amount of time can help the human body develop an intolerance to it (e.g. I have asthma and coeliac disease, yet over the years the effects of being around smoke/dust and eating wheat haven lessened). Plus TO haunted Tim, it never "attacked" him. I don't think it attacks a host but rather parties who get involved or prey the host lures. This might explain why Tim didn't in #64-#64, because he probably should have.


I think there are some good insights here--particularly your distinction between haunting and attacking (except--except--the Entry #65 chest cam footage shows what sure as heck looks like an attack on Tim). It could be that somehow Tim built up some sort of tolerance. Maybe the development of the Masky persona helped here too?

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What if everyone has a different way of coping with TO? Tim has Masky, Brian has Hoody, Jay filmed and towards the end displayed symptoms similar to Alex like obsessions with filming everything and becoming irritable and violent. Like you said everyone experienced personality changes. Even so far as withdrawal goes Jay experienced in #78. But back to the point you're making, Alex never took medicine and was never shown to take any. The term "going clean" wouldn't make sense in relation to him because we never saw him taking any meds. Although if he had he may not have been as violent.


Yeah, I was being flip there with the term "going clean." The thing is, though, it's not clear that Brian really "coped" with anything--at least not very well. I don't see someone coping by somehow establishing a persona as a mechanism. I see someone far gone.

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I think there are some good insights here--particularly your distinction between haunting and attacking (except--except--the Entry #65 chest cam footage shows what sure as heck looks like an attack on Tim). It could be that somehow Tim built up some sort of tolerance. Maybe the development of the Masky persona helped here too?


No doubt about it, the Masky persona helped it. My original point was that I think Tim manifested Masky to deal with the mental trauma of TO. And while it seemed that #65 was an attack, it appeared to me like he simply toyed with him like in #83. To me, an attack is like the hotel room in #52 or whatever happened to Brian in #51.

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Yeah, I was being flip there with the term "going clean." The thing is, though, it's not clear that Brian really "coped" with anything--at least not very well. I don't see someone coping by somehow establishing a persona as a mechanism. I see someone far gone.


If Brian is conscious of being Hoody than maybe he doesn't cope, maybe he simply survives. He's found a way to keep mobile and stay safe. He is certainly so far gone that he no longer speaks or uses any conventional means of communication.

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No doubt about it, the Masky persona helped it. My original point was that I think Tim manifested Masky to deal with the mental trauma of TO. And while it seemed that #65 was an attack, it appeared to me like he simply toyed with him like in #83. To me, an attack is like the hotel room in #52 or whatever happened to Brian in #51.


I can see that. But it's not clear to me that TO "toys" with anyone or anything. It seems to have some other reason for what it does. Except for the climax of Entry #23 (where someone or something chuckles and then TO regurgitates Jay's "Hello?" back at him three times) and the now-noncanonical Entry #37 (the one as an extra feature on the Season 2 DVD), there's really never been an instance of TO showing any sort of bemusement. Maybe TO was trying to get Tim injured so it could take him to the dark world and keep him there? Maybe it had something else to do? Maybe it wanted him as a host again?

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If Brian is conscious of being Hoody than maybe he doesn't cope, maybe he simply survives. He's found a way to keep mobile and stay safe. He is certainly so far gone that he no longer speaks or uses any conventional means of communication.


Right... just kept flashing everyone "that stupid smile." Which he'd shown since his first appearance in Entry #7 (and through much of Entry #51, right up till he became wicked creeped out by the presence of TO).

I kinda get the sense for each of the main characters of MH of being stuck in one point of time, whether it's the trauma of having been stalked (or otherwise) by TO or of trying to forget (even if only with meds and a hard-ass, blue-collar persona that you only picked up for the movie) TO or of not remembering any damn thing about TO. Brian and Alex seem to have suffered this the worst (of anyone from the MH project still alive or otherwise not in some liminal creepy place).

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I can see that. But it's not clear to me that TO "toys" with anyone or anything. It seems to have some other reason for what it does. Except for the climax of Entry #23 (where someone or something chuckles and then TO regurgitates Jay's "Hello?" back at him three times) and the now-noncanonical Entry #37 (the one as an extra feature on the Season 2 DVD), there's really never been an instance of TO showing any sort of bemusement. Maybe TO was trying to get Tim injured so it could take him to the dark world and keep him there? Maybe it had something else to do? Maybe it wanted him as a host again?


I never saw the bonus Entry but I'm aware of it, could you summarize it? Maybe it did want him as a host but if 64-65 was an attack on Tim, and TO's intentions were to kill Tim it would have just killed him.

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Right... just kept flashing everyone "that stupid smile." Which he'd shown since his first appearance in Entry #7 (and through much of Entry #51, right up till he became wicked creeped out by the presence of TO).

I kinda get the sense for each of the main characters of MH of being stuck in one point of time, whether it's the trauma of having been stalked (or otherwise) by TO or of trying to forget (even if only with meds and a hard-ass, blue-collar persona that you only picked up for the movie) TO or of not remembering any damn thing about TO. Brian and Alex seem to have suffered this the worst (of anyone from the MH project still alive or otherwise not in some liminal creepy place).


I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say there but to me it would seem that Tim has suffered the most. If what Alex says is true in #85 and Tim is the source, perhaps he spreads TO to other people without having any knowledge or intention of doing so. It's possible that whenever Tim is around other people TO will attack anyone who comes close to him. Which means Tim will never be truly able to socialize or communicate with people, because they will only get roped into this and become either paranoid like Brian, a psychopath like Alex or dead like Jay. If these thoughts crossed Tim's mind like in Entry #66 it must be unbearably isolating and depressing, along with Jay dying and Alex spotlighting the issue whilst torching everything Tim has.

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I can see that. But it's not clear to me that TO "toys" with anyone or anything. It seems to have some other reason for what it does. Except for the climax of Entry #23 (where someone or something chuckles and then TO regurgitates Jay's "Hello?" back at him three times) and the now-noncanonical Entry #37 (the one as an extra feature on the Season 2 DVD), there's really never been an instance of TO showing any sort of bemusement. Maybe TO was trying to get Tim injured so it could take him to the dark world and keep him there? Maybe it had something else to do? Maybe it wanted him as a host again?


I never saw the bonus Entry but I'm aware of it, could you summarize it? Maybe it did want him as a host but if 64-65 was an attack on Tim, and TO's intentions were to kill Tim it would have just killed him.

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Right... just kept flashing everyone "that stupid smile." Which he'd shown since his first appearance in Entry #7 (and through much of Entry #51, right up till he became wicked creeped out by the presence of TO).

I kinda get the sense for each of the main characters of MH of being stuck in one point of time, whether it's the trauma of having been stalked (or otherwise) by TO or of trying to forget (even if only with meds and a hard-ass, blue-collar persona that you only picked up for the movie) TO or of not remembering any damn thing about TO. Brian and Alex seem to have suffered this the worst (of anyone from the MH project still alive or otherwise not in some liminal creepy place).


I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say there but to me it would seem that Tim has suffered the most. If what Alex says is true in #85 and Tim is the source, perhaps he spreads TO to other people without having any knowledge or intention of doing so. It's possible that whenever Tim is around other people TO will attack anyone who comes close to him. Which means Tim will never be truly able to socialize or communicate with people, because they will only get roped into this and become either paranoid like Brian, a psychopath like Alex or dead like Jay. If these thoughts crossed Tim's mind like in Entry #66 it must be unbearably isolating and depressing, along with Jay dying and Alex spotlighting the issue whilst torching everything Tim has.


I think I deleted part of what I was trying to write and they typed over it. I meant that Alex and Brian suffered the most of those who ended up caught in his own respective trauma or suffering. Even as Tim stated, he was able to get on medication and was doing fine and could go to school and work steadily for a bit. But when Alex started getting haunted by TO, he became erratic and then violent. And as for Brian... he seemed fixated on justice for what had happened to him at any cost, which is different from the jokey yet in-control goofball that he seemed to be up to and during the MH filming (at least to the events of Entry #51). If you're looking at the amount of suffering and the overall length, then, yes, you could say Tim had.

I didn't see the bonus entry either, but someone uploaded a transcript to a non-canon thread. Basically,
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Jay is in his car waiting for Alex to call him after what happened in Entries #35 and #36. He has the camera on the dash and pointed toward him and inadvertently fixated on a light post or something behind his car, and he mentions how angry he is. Then distortion stuff happens, and Jay gets a phone call from a strange number that's a bunch of static. The camera notes a familiar tall figure behind the car and walking toward him. He notices just in time and apparently gets his car started and seemingly escapes. The entry ends with a note about how seeing things like this make Jay want to abandon watching the tapes any further
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I can see that. But it's not clear to me that TO "toys" with anyone or anything. It seems to have some other reason for what it does. Except for the climax of Entry #23 (where someone or something chuckles and then TO regurgitates Jay's "Hello?" back at him three times) and the now-noncanonical Entry #37 (the one as an extra feature on the Season 2 DVD), there's really never been an instance of TO showing any sort of bemusement. Maybe TO was trying to get Tim injured so it could take him to the dark world and keep him there? Maybe it had something else to do? Maybe it wanted him as a host again?


I never saw the bonus Entry but I'm aware of it, could you summarize it? Maybe it did want him as a host but if 64-65 was an attack on Tim, and TO's intentions were to kill Tim it would have just killed him.

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Right... just kept flashing everyone "that stupid smile." Which he'd shown since his first appearance in Entry #7 (and through much of Entry #51, right up till he became wicked creeped out by the presence of TO).

I kinda get the sense for each of the main characters of MH of being stuck in one point of time, whether it's the trauma of having been stalked (or otherwise) by TO or of trying to forget (even if only with meds and a hard-ass, blue-collar persona that you only picked up for the movie) TO or of not remembering any damn thing about TO. Brian and Alex seem to have suffered this the worst (of anyone from the MH project still alive or otherwise not in some liminal creepy place).


I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say there but to me it would seem that Tim has suffered the most. If what Alex says is true in #85 and Tim is the source, perhaps he spreads TO to other people without having any knowledge or intention of doing so. It's possible that whenever Tim is around other people TO will attack anyone who comes close to him. Which means Tim will never be truly able to socialize or communicate with people, because they will only get roped into this and become either paranoid like Brian, a psychopath like Alex or dead like Jay. If these thoughts crossed Tim's mind like in Entry #66 it must be unbearably isolating and depressing, along with Jay dying and Alex spotlighting the issue whilst torching everything Tim has.


I think I deleted part of what I was trying to write and they typed over it. I meant that Alex and Brian suffered the most of those who ended up caught in his own respective trauma or suffering. Even as Tim stated, he was able to get on medication and was doing fine and could go to school and work steadily for a bit. But when Alex started getting haunted by TO, he became erratic and then violent. And as for Brian... he seemed fixated on justice for what had happened to him at any cost, which is different from the jokey yet in-control goofball that he seemed to be up to and during the MH filming (at least to the events of Entry #51). If you're looking at the amount of suffering and the overall length, then, yes, you could say Tim had.

I didn't see the bonus entry either, but someone uploaded a transcript to a non-canon thread. Basically,
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Jay is in his car waiting for Alex to call him after what happened in Entries #35 and #36. He has the camera on the dash and pointed toward him and inadvertently fixated on a light post or something behind his car, and he mentions how angry he is. Then distortion stuff happens, and Jay gets a phone call from a strange number that's a bunch of static. The camera notes a familiar tall figure behind the car and walking toward him. He notices just in time and apparently gets his car started and seemingly escapes. The entry ends with a note about how seeing things like this make Jay want to abandon watching the tapes any further
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You could be right about the whole Alex/Brian thing, though the fact that Tim was able to return to normal life and that it was taken away again makes it all the more tragic. I found the non-canon Entry #37 earlier this afternoon and read the entire thread including transcript and seen screencaps. I'm not sure if I really want to see this or if I don't. I'm getting the boxset anyway so hopefully I'll know by August.

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You could be right about the whole Alex/Brian thing, though the fact that Tim was able to return to normal life and that it was taken away again makes it all the more tragic. I found the non-canon Entry #37 earlier this afternoon and read the entire thread including transcript and seen screencaps. I'm not sure if I really want to see this or if I don't. I'm getting the boxset anyway so hopefully I'll know by August.


I'm getting the box set too! I really can't wait for it.

I don't think the transcript of the non-canon Entry #37 detracts. I'm kinda sorry it wasn't made canon, even though apparently the Oppywalk looked ridiculous.

Not at all meaning to say above that Tim's situation isn't tragic. It is. I also don't think it's really fair to compare suffering here, because everyone involved with MH has suffered. But Alex and Brian had their lives violently ripped away from them and were completely fucked up (that is, if I've been following the series properly and if any of my interpretations are valid) because of it. That's what I was trying to get at.

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You could be right about the whole Alex/Brian thing, though the fact that Tim was able to return to normal life and that it was taken away again makes it all the more tragic. I found the non-canon Entry #37 earlier this afternoon and read the entire thread including transcript and seen screencaps. I'm not sure if I really want to see this or if I don't. I'm getting the boxset anyway so hopefully I'll know by August.


I'm getting the box set too! I really can't wait for it.

I don't think the transcript of the non-canon Entry #37 detracts. I'm kinda sorry it wasn't made canon, even though apparently the Oppywalk looked ridiculous.

Not at all meaning to say above that Tim's situation isn't tragic. It is. I also don't think it's really fair to compare suffering here, because everyone involved with MH has suffered. But Alex and Brian had their lives violently ripped away from them and were completely fucked up (that is, if I've been following the series properly and if any of my interpretations are valid) because of it. That's what I was trying to get at.


No I respect your opinion and how it varies from mine Smile I don't think the transcript detracts either, I've been avoiding them for a last year or two though because I wanted to see the Entry for myself but then I realized unless I bought the DVD I'd never see it, I just had to know. Half the people on the thread here think the walk looks goofy and other think it looks terrifying, so I've my mind open on the matter. If the walk is as bad as people say is it I could see why it wasn't made canon.

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 		What is this non canon entry you guys are talking about? I've never heard of it.

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What is this non canon entry you guys are talking about? I've never heard of it.


It was the intended Entry #37, but Troy felt it looked goofier than it did creepy.

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