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[VIDEO] Entry #85
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lonsumtravlr
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Cyan507 wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?

The slendydoll.

was kinda hoping it'd prove as some form of voodoo doll of TO, i dunno

I kinda believe the idea floating around all the way back in Entry #60 that while the doll isn't necessarily "Good" or "Evil," it can offer some protection against TO. Because there is absolutely no way in bloody fucking hell that Jay should have gotten away from TO in the tunnel! Other escapes were plausible, but not that one. Even if it somehow attracted TO, it must have done something to help prevent TO from getting Jay.

I dunno, I want it to come back but it's realllly late now and we never saw Tim take anything but Jay's laptop from his car. Granted Alex could be at the college right now and Jay's car is still there unless it's either been towed or set alight, his stuff is still there for the taking. There's no Hoody to steal it now.

See... a lot of people want a lot of damn answers, but one I'd really love the answer to--or some sort of suggested answer to--is what the heck was up with that doll? And why, if it was a representation of TO, did it have eyes? I think I remember seeing on Unfiction or Reddit or some other board where MH has been discussed that there was a hypothesis about the doll attracting TO or being sort of his eyes the way cameras that have caught him seem to be. But I don't know about that. Whatever it is, it's so weird, and one of the creepiest parts of the series.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:25 pm

PieAvenger
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lonsumtravlr wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

lonsumtravlr wrote:

Ehh... I shouldn't say this, but you know what should return once more?

The slendydoll.

was kinda hoping it'd prove as some form of voodoo doll of TO, i dunno

I can agree with the Operator doll. It made its first appearance in Entry #18 but they brought it back in Entry #60. What's with this doll? Who made it? I'm guessing Hoody, but why? Maybe I'm fishing for too many answers. Maybe Hoody just wanted to scare Jay's stupid hat off Laughing

But do you know what's even creepier?

Amy.

Seriously, where did she go? Did Alex find her? Did she escape? She's possibly still alive. And if she's not, it might be the reason why Alex went crazy and decided to try and kill everyone. Especially angry at whoever summoned the Operator in the first place. Regardless, I think she's a significant character in the series, even though she has had very little screen time. Without her, Season 2 would not have happened. But still, it's weird that she just disappeared like that...

And Sarah? Sure she was a very minor character brought up in Season 1 when Trosephim had no idea MH would get this popular, but she was in the Season 2 DVD extra feature, so OOG she seemed available enough to film. Yet we never saw her go... "gone." I figured she was attacked by the hands of Alex, as he includes her in the list of people who are "gone" in Entry #22. Also, her name is crossed off on the paper found in Entry #72.
Even Seth's crossed off name can be found on a paper, although it is very brief! Rolling Eyes

But she could very much still be alive, we'll just never know.

Sarah-related rant:

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I kind of don't like how Sarah was just completely forgotten about. Yes her character was super minor, but even if she wasn't available to film, it would've been cool to have closure on her. Maybe not in a full entry dedicated to her, but even something like an implication that she was attacked by Alex at one point. Heck, even Seth appeared for at least 10 seconds in Entry #54. He was also talked about in #51 and #56, but never a mention of Sarah.

Also Jessica. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Her being "gone" was really fishy and I think that even though she was taken by the Operator, she's still alive. Alive in the slender universe...with a dead Jay and Hoody Crying or Very sad

But all extremely laughable theories aside, another thought I had was during Entry #60.5. I noticed how Tim's records state his mother as the primary caretaker, guardian, person Tim relies on, etc.. Page after page I see the signature of Janet W****...

Does Tim have no father?

If he doesn't, then this is creepy, considering that the Operator has the figure of a male...

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1. If Tim's parents divorced at a young age and left him emotionally scarred/traumatized somehow, then he might have done something as a child to summon the Operator into existence. Maybe as a child's wish to have a father figure?

2. If the story Alex told Jay in Entry #38 is true, then is it possible that Tim's ancestor was one of these criminals? Maybe the Operator originated from this scene in the 1800s, as Alex said, and proceeded to hunt the children of the village.

3. Why did the Operator begin to target and follow Tim?

4. Who else has been targeted by the Operator at a young age other than Tim? Hoody suggests that Alex has been targeted as a young age in Entry #37. Jessica recalls that she "keep[s] having these dreams, where [she's] a little kid and...something's watching [her]!" in Entry #32.

5. This is the secret that Tim is still clinging on to. The one that Brian/Hoody knows about. This is the information that would have ruined his relationship with Jay, which is why he kept it a secret from him, and from the viewers.

Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 11:38 pm
Last edited by PieAvenger on Tue May 27, 2014 9:29 am; edited 1 time in total

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PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:48 am

Cyan507
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Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

dolls are mainly a child's item (adding to the creepy factor) and the only person who experienced TO as a child was Tim. When we first saw the doll we first met Masky seconds later. I have a strong feeling this doll was Tim's or that it has some connection to him. Although he has never been put on camera with it at the same time, it would be interesting to see how he reacts to it.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 4:30 am

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Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

LOL I'm sorry, it is actually pretty cool. Cool

Cyan507 wrote:

That seems plausible! Tim had the doll when he was a child. It doesn't necessarily represent the Operator because it has eyes.

I don't want to suggest that Tim performed weird rituals with the doll and birthed the Operator, but you're right that it might have some importance. The only problem is that Tim supposedly watched all the entries and has seen the doll but said nothing about it. It throws a wrench into the theory as he didn't ask for it when Jay gave him back the medical documents in #63.

Edit: Not to mention that the doll looks like something used in witchcraft.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:23 am

MHLatecomer
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PieAvenger wrote:

Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

LOL I'm sorry, it is actually pretty cool. Cool

Cyan507 wrote:

I think it's more likely that the doll is somehow related to Brian. We know from the TTA video Addition that Hoody was in the house in Entry 16, and the second time the doll appeared was by Tim's medical documents which were put there by Hoody(I'm blanking out on where this was shown)

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:40 am

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MHLatecomer wrote:

It was Entry #60, in the tunnels, sitting above the documents Wink

And also in #60.5, when Jay showed it to us.

The real question is, does the doll have any significance or are we just overshooting it? I mean, it's just a doll Rolling Eyes

Staying on this thread's subject though, I noticed that there was slight distortion as Tim went back to grab his pills from the kitchen counter. Not sure why.

All in all, it was a silent fire. We usually get tons of distortion when something frantic happens, like a house being set on fire! It was almost as if the Operator wasn't standing/watching behind Alex...for once Surprised

Was it because of the fire?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:46 am

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PieAvenger wrote:

MHLatecomer wrote:

It was Entry #60, in the tunnels, sitting above the documents Wink

And also in #60.5, when Jay showed it to us.

The real question is, does the doll have any significance or are we just overshooting it? I mean, it's just a doll Rolling Eyes

Was it because of the fire?

Maybe making TO dolls was one of Hoody's hobbies.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:25 pm

Cyan507
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PieAvenger wrote:

Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

LOL I'm sorry, it is actually pretty cool. Cool

Cyan507 wrote:

I didn't say anything about rituals, but think back to Entry #66 when Tim said that every disorder was pinned on him, think about all the therapy that was tried and failed. Wouldn't it make sense that at one point he could have asked as a child or young adolescent what his hallucinations looked like? Drawings and sketches are the norm and while a doll seems a little extreme bear with me. Tim was seeing TO, he said nothing about being taken or attacked. Maybe TO was watching over Tim, keeping him safe like it is with Alex. Whenever Alex was confronted with danger like in Entry #67 who came to the rescue? I think TO protects his hosts. Although TO was clearly distressing Tim as a child maybe he slept with the doll at night?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:16 pm

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Cyan507 wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

LOL I'm sorry, it is actually pretty cool. Cool

Cyan507 wrote:

In hindsight that seems so glaringly obvious that I wonder why I haven't seen the idea posted here before. The doll was Tim's.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:12 pm

Cyan507
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gennerx wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Hazman wrote:

PieAvenger wrote:

Jay's hat isn't stupid

LOL I'm sorry, it is actually pretty cool. Cool

Cyan507 wrote:

In hindsight that seems so glaringly obvious that I wonder why I haven't seen the idea posted here before. The doll was Tim's.

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That seems plausible! Tim had the doll when he was a child. It doesn't necessarily represent the Operator because it has eyes.

And look, the doll has to replicate TO, it's tall, pale and it only short a suit. Sure it may have eyes but it's not like TO wasn't portrayed with eyes before, look at Memories by TTA.

The idea was likely not posted before because the doll first appeared long before Tim took center stage in the series. And while the doll reappeared with Tim's files (making it all the more obvious) I suppose we just passed it off as a nod to the fandom and nothing more. Maybe we didn't pry enough, maybe we're prying too much now. But it's weird how the doll first appeared in a Tim scene too.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:43 pm

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In a lot of hospitals, when you stay a long time, you are given craft projects to do as part of your therapy, for example my mother was given pieces of felt to stitch together to make a blanket, others were given soft leathery stuff to make moccasin-type houseshoes, etc. Maybe the kids in the mental ward where Tim lived were given cloth and probably glue, nothing sharp, to make dolls? Tim made his in a representation of what he saw in his hallucinations, maybe to try to show people what he saw?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:48 pm

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Cyan507 wrote:

Yes! It all makes so much sense Very Happy

Tim must have had the doll as a child, but he couldn't remember because of the numbing amounts of medication (#66). This is why he didn't ask Jay to give it back to him (#63). Considering how close he and Hoody were in Season 1, Hoody must have taken it at any time!

There's a good chance we're right, but if not, we had some great speculation anyway Wink

gennerx wrote:

In hindsight that seems so glaringly obvious that I wonder why I haven't seen the idea posted here before. The doll was Tim's.

I can't believe I never thought of that either! Like Cyan507 said, it is pretty obvious when you take into consideration that the doll was found near Tim's medical documents. It was Tim's Premium Maintenance Tunnel History Corner Deluxe and it completely passed me Razz

elford wrote:

This cements the theory even more. Very helpful insight, thank you!

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:55 pm

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Cyan507 wrote:

[And look, the doll has to replicate TO, it's tall, pale and it only short a suit. Sure it may have eyes but it's not like TO wasn't portrayed with eyes before, look at Memories by TTA.

The idea was likely not posted before because the doll first appeared long before Tim took center stage in the series. And while the doll reappeared with Tim's files (making it all the more obvious) I suppose we just passed it off as a nod to the fandom and nothing more. Maybe we didn't pry enough, maybe we're prying too much now. But it's weird how the doll first appeared in a Tim scene too.

About "Memories": You mean that weird head with the stars for eyes, the stunned, toothy mouth, and the operator symbol that appears over it at about 0:16? I don't think that's TO. Stars for eyes are often used in cartoons to show that someone's in a daze or a trance or is stunned or otherwise out of his or her head. And the Oppy Symbol appearing over it after a couple of seconds, and show up right before the TTA tells us that "SO MUCH MORE THAN TIME HAS BEEN TAKEN." I think that's supposed to represent either someone (my guess would be either Alex or Hoody/TTA/Brian himself) being victimized and having his mind wiped (or else otherwise being brought under TO's control--hence the symbol appearing over the face as if to cancel it out or cross it off), or Jay (because it does look a bit like a tongue-in-cheek, self-effacing Troy Wagner head) getting absolutely nowhere (especially after trying to figure out what the hell happened to seven years of his life--oh, right, Slendywiped, and apparently not for the first time).

(That's not meant to sound contentious, but I realize it may come off that way.)

But otherwise, Cyan507, I think you're very right about the doll having been Tim's. It showed up for the first time when Masky attacks Jay and then seizes out. Then it shows up to lead Jay a particular way through the house he warps through (after seeing Masky). Then it shows up with Tim's medical records. There has to be a connection--and maybe Masky was trying to initiate Jay into a much deeper, more intimate truth about TO? Maybe that's what Brian was trying to do to when he got the doll and left it with Tim's records? It's a whole new way of looking at the thing (as well as possibly providing much more canonical continuity early on).

And elford, I was thinking something similar: it could be that Tim made the thing in therapy. Either that, or it was used for something else that was supposed to be therapeutic, and Tim wound up with it somehow (became attached to it, etc.). But why the eyes? I wonder whether they were added by someone else? Maybe suggested by a counselor or care worker because the doll looked too morbid otherwise?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:55 pm

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lonsumtravlr wrote:

Cyan507 wrote:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the Memories thing, as TTA video content is much more subjective than the entries given their enigmatic nature.

And while it would be nice if having this doll appeared to lynchpin a stronger connection with TO, it likely won't come into play in the final Entry or two we have left, if it were we would have seen it the background at least of other entries. I think this will be one of the many areas open for speculation once the series is done.

To coincide with my Memories theory, perhaps the eyes were added by Tim as an early development of this "ALWAYS WATCHES" motif in the TTA videos.They're not physical eyes but rather an emphasis on the horror of being watched by something. One of Alex's pages mentions eyes in the end of Entry #50 I think. A lot of the language used in TTA videos resembles Alex's scribblings as well and vice versa. Perhaps the eyes were added by a doctor because the prospect of a tall man with no facial features seemed too preposterous. Or that as part of Tim's treatment facial features were added to give TO more human-like qualities, thus rendering him less scary.

Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:38 am

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