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[LOCKED] [NEWS/META]Stabbing of 12-year-old in Wisconsin
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Hazman
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I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm curious to see how the media takes this. I posted this somewhere else and have finally got around to posting my thoughts here. I was thinking and it reminded me of Stephen King's It, now I haven't read the book, but I know the jist of it's about. Which made me think what would happen if the girls dressed up as clowns or even murdered/attempted to murder the girl and blame it on the clown from the book. Would Stephen King get a bad rep for twisting children's minds and believing that the clown is real and they need to sacrifice a child to him to appease him or stop him killing them? I don't know. But I reckon that it would be more on the parents for letting them read Stephen King at 12 years old, rather than the book or Stephen King, even though the parents may have it lying around and they pick it up and read it or something, there's nothing stopping them from doing that. It's the same principle here the stories on Creepypasta are just that, stories, same with any novel. But because books have been around longer than the internet, people won't want to say all books are bad based off one incident driven from a book. I hope this kinda makes some sense
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Lithp
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Cyan507 wrote:
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Blaming the parents really isn't any better. Unless there's an actual article detailing abuse or neglect.


Who are expected to be the responsible ones? The adults or the kids? I can't comment on the girls being trialed as adults but they are still children in the eyes of the law. If the parents aren't due any blame then there needs to be questions asked because this girl was close to death.


Blame for what? The murder? How did they contribute to it?

I don't really know what to tell you. I'm not okay with baseless scapegoating in any form, whether it's "Slenderman caused it" or "the parents caused it."

Yes, a girl almost died, which is why I agree with the perpetrators being tried as adults. If they can find some kind of psychological disorder that they can somehow treat instead of resorting to prison, even better. But I doubt it. At any rate, unless evidence appears implicating the parents somehow, I don't think it's valid to leap to the conclusion that they must have done something wrong.

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lonsumtravlr
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Hazman wrote:
I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm curious to see how the media takes this. I posted this somewhere else and have finally got around to posting my thoughts here. I was thinking and it reminded me of Stephen King's It, now I haven't read the book, but I know the jist of it's about. Which made me think what would happen if the girls dressed up as clowns or even murdered/attempted to murder the girl and blame it on the clown from the book. Would Stephen King get a bad rep for twisting children's minds and believing that the clown is real and they need to sacrifice a child to him to appease him or stop him killing them? I don't know. But I reckon that it would be more on the parents for letting them read Stephen King at 12 years old, rather than the book or Stephen King, even though the parents may have it lying around and they pick it up and read it or something, there's nothing stopping them from doing that. It's the same principle here the stories on Creepypasta are just that, stories, same with any novel. But because books have been around longer than the internet, people won't want to say all books are bad based off one incident driven from a book. I hope this kinda makes some sense


Hazman, I'm not sure how old you are, but I remember (I'm under 40 but over 25) in the 80's when people were pointing fingers at Stephen King and other writers for things that purportedly impressionable youth did. When Harold Bloom wasn't pointing fingers at him for purportedly hastening the decline of American letters. (Which is a shame, because Stephen King is one of America's great storytellers, in line with a lot of the people both King and Bloom revere--such as Nathaniel Hawthorne.) Some schools still ban King's books because of content.

I was originally thinking that one of the girls may have been mentally ill or developmentally disadvantaged. But one of the girls really could have been much more calculating and used whatever of the myth she knew as a "crazy" story that she could use as both a pretext and a defense. What Lithp says is highly plausible. As the kids are so young, the one at least could have just thought "I'll just say I was crazy and saw something on the big bad Internet that made me try to kill my friend. And my other friend's an idiot, so she'll go along with it." (That's not exactly what Lithp said. But the one kid could be the leader here, the catalyst, and could be a sociopath.)

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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Blaming the parents really isn't any better. Unless there's an actual article detailing abuse or neglect.


Who are expected to be the responsible ones? The adults or the kids? I can't comment on the girls being trialed as adults but they are still children in the eyes of the law. If the parents aren't due any blame then there needs to be questions asked because this girl was close to death.


Blame for what? The murder? How did they contribute to it?

I don't really know what to tell you. I'm not okay with baseless scapegoating in any form, whether it's "Slenderman caused it" or "the parents caused it."

Yes, a girl almost died, which is why I agree with the perpetrators being tried as adults. If they can find some kind of psychological disorder that they can somehow treat instead of resorting to prison, even better. But I doubt it. At any rate, unless evidence appears implicating the parents somehow, I don't think it's valid to leap to the conclusion that they must have done something wrong.


Can't agree with you there. They're way too young, despite the severity of the crime. Maybe the one girl's impressionable, developmentally disordered, etc., and even a sociopath (they really do start around preadolescence). But I do agree about how the parents should be considered innocent until proven in any way guilty here.

This does raise legitimate questions of at what age children should be allowed to use the Internet unattended. But even then, many kids (hell, most) are responsible enough that they both know that Slenderman's a fuckin' myth and don't see him as an opportunity for mischief or worse.

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lonsumtravlr
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SignerJ wrote:
This is absolutely horrific, and I'm shocked that these kids did something like this.

Nevertheless, this is in no way the responsibility of the mythos. And it would seem that the comments on the CNN article agree. The majority of the comments don't even mention the mythos's involvement. And virtually none of them blame the mythos in any way for what happened.

EDIT: It's on the Times: http://time.com/2817524/slender-man-murder-charge-waukesha/

Mr. Faceless was half of the article. Instead of focusing on the kids who did this, the article instead focuses on poorly describing the Tall Man.


Oh, come on. It was a matter of time before something like this happened. I'm surprised it's taken five years, frankly.

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censura_umbra
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I just realized something. What if these girls were members on this forum? They seem to have a decent knowledge of proxies, and this crime played out almost exactly like a slendervlog (minus Slendy).

Anyone notice how similar these girls look? I think one of these girls is an incurable sociopath, and the other one is extremely impressionable and a follower.

I don't know if anyone here is a sociopath or knows one, but they disregard human life and often imagine what it would be like to take one. They are very good at acting normal. And add that to the impressionability of being 12 and the strange psychological fascination that Slenderman demands.

Hell, even when I discovered Slenderman at 21, I was paralyzed with fear sometimes, leaving my lights on, not sleeping. Afraid to leave my living room, or enter the bathroom. I knew it was fake and made up. I even read the whole thread that created it, but there is something about him that fucks with our heads. Isn't that why we are all here?

Obviously I've become jaded to it by now, but I can only imagine what it would have been like to discover it at the age of 12.

I remember all the silly things my friends and I made up and convinced ourselves were real when we were 12. Most of those things were harmless, but I can definitely see this happening.

These two girls basically became a cult like in many of these vlogs. They wanted to sacrifice someone to bring Slenderman to them.

A lot of people here are strangely against believing that these kids could actually believe what they are saying, but that is just your anger at them pointing a finger towards something you like.


Yes, these girls have psychological issues, and I'm okay with them being treated as adults, because these psychological issues won't go away by age 25 and will just get worse while in prison.

And we can't blame the parents. Yes, better parents could have seen this coming, or could have taught life lessons that may have prevented it, but that isn't negligence. The parents are not criminally liable.

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I'm just going to jump in really fast and say - if you find out these girls are indeed members of the forums here, please keep that information to yourself. Don't out them, don't contact them. Thank you.
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I don't know if anyone here is a sociopath or knows one, but they disregard human life and often imagine what it would be like to take one. They are very good at acting normal. And add that to the impressionability of being 12 and the strange psychological fascination that Slenderman demands.


Pretty sure they don't all do that, but yeah.

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Hell, even when I discovered Slenderman at 21, I was paralyzed with fear sometimes, leaving my lights on, not sleeping. Afraid to leave my living room, or enter the bathroom. I knew it was fake and made up. I even read the whole thread that created it, but there is something about him that fucks with our heads. Isn't that why we are all here?


This is just my own personal guess, but I think that fear does not progress in a linear fashion. There were some things that I was scared of at 12 that don't make sense now & some things that I didn't blink at back then that I'm suddenly scared of. Plus there are the people who just aren't scared of Slenderman at all & don't even understand the reaction. I don't know if there's a "point" to anything that I just said, per se.

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I remember all the silly things my friends and I made up and convinced ourselves were real when we were 12. Most of those things were harmless, but I can definitely see this happening.


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A lot of people here are strangely against believing that these kids could actually believe what they are saying, but that is just your anger at them pointing a finger towards something you like.


Ah, no. You just said that you suspect 1 of them as a sociopath. Part of being a sociopath is lying & manipulation. And to add to that, "Slenderman is real" is one thing. "Slenderman is telling me to kill my friend" is totally different. I guess that maybe, if you believe that Slenderman exists, then you might think that you can earn his favor by killing people. But overall, the explanation that they lied just seems simpler. Hell, maybe they didn't even make it up for the reason that I said earlier. Maybe it's as simple as they thought that it made them sound cooler.

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booba
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Pixiestix wrote:
I'm just going to jump in really fast and say - if you find out these girls are indeed members of the forums here, please keep that information to yourself. Don't out them, don't contact them. Thank you.

Excellent advice.


I haven't visited thus sub-forum since the early Marble Hornet days, yet when I saw my first blurb about a "fictional internet character" my first thought was of Slenderman, but I dismissed it as "couldn't be." But it was.
The media will do what the media does, throw out a bunch of quick research as facts, play the blame game for a while (example: http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2014/05/29/were-going-to-blame-movies-for-this-again-really ) and then move on to the next event they find newsworthy.

My heart goes out to all the people who's lives have been irrevocably changed by this tragic event.

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censura_umbra
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It seems most people aren't trying to blame the mythos. Here is a picture and caption from an ABC article.



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Checkmite
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AssassinB wrote:


So what you're saying is that the media doing a half-ass job is cool with you? I mean if you don't care that's all fine and dandy but I personally would like to see media cover ALL stories of EVERY kind with more accuracy, it's probably one of the biggest problems plaguing America right now.


If you think my proposed summaries of what "Slender Man" and "creepypasta" are, are not accurate, please explain why they were incorrect. If you feel more detail is necessary, please explain why you think it would be germane.

When the news reports that the President is visiting France to speak with their prime minister, should the press be including a history of France or a biography of said prime minister in that report?

I think the facts I gave about slenderman and creepypasta are perfectly sufficient and the limit of relevance.

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Checkmite wrote:
AssassinB wrote:


So what you're saying is that the media doing a half-ass job is cool with you? I mean if you don't care that's all fine and dandy but I personally would like to see media cover ALL stories of EVERY kind with more accuracy, it's probably one of the biggest problems plaguing America right now.


If you think my proposed summaries of what "Slender Man" and "creepypasta" are, are not accurate, please explain why they were incorrect. If you feel more detail is necessary, please explain why you think it would be germane.

When the news reports that the President is visiting France to speak with their prime minister, should the press be including a history of France or a biography of said prime minister in that report?

I think the facts I gave about slenderman and creepypasta are perfectly sufficient and the limit of relevance.


What did anything I said have to do about what your summary of Slenderman is? I was just voicing how the MEDIA (not you) tends to skip over details and cut corners to either make the story "more edgy" or because they're too lazy to do the full research. I'm not sure why you're taking that personally.

Also that was a terrible example, we all know what the fuck France is, not many people know what Slenderman is.

EDIT: Anyway, it's not relavant anymore because I see from censura_umbra's post that the media is actually going pretty light on the mythos. So actually I'm happy with their description this time.

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Lithp wrote:

Ah, no. You just said that you suspect 1 of them as a sociopath. Part of being a sociopath is lying & manipulation. And to add to that, "Slenderman is real" is one thing. "Slenderman is telling me to kill my friend" is totally different. I guess that maybe, if you believe that Slenderman exists, then you might think that you can earn his favor by killing people. But overall, the explanation that they lied just seems simpler. Hell, maybe they didn't even make it up for the reason that I said earlier. Maybe it's as simple as they thought that it made them sound cooler.


Deciding that they're lying might "seem" simpler; but it really isn't because now there needs to be some other theory of the crime, and since we've rejected out-of-hand everything the assailants have told us about why they did it, we can only create such a theory out of whole cloth - i.e, completely making things up, which makes any alternative we come up with no more credible than the original story.

It's also pretty arbitrary to accept what the girls have said about planning the murder as perfectly believable, but reject everything they've said about their motive.

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Actually, some of the recent articles are not at all bad. I think some editor added the "ghoulish" title to this pretty well informed article.
http://www.abc-7.com/story/25690660/ghoulish-stabbing-raises-question-who-is-slenderman#.U4918vldXvc

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booba wrote:
Actually, some of the recent articles are not at all bad. I think some editor added the "ghoulish" title to this pretty well informed article.
http://www.abc-7.com/story/25690660/ghoulish-stabbing-raises-question-who-is-slenderman#.U4918vldXvc


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Thanks for that article booba...but I'm kind of concerned about this part:

"Knudsen, too, has lamented losing control of his creation.

"I feel like less of a creator and more of an administrator, in a lot of respects, or the manager," he told NPR in the interview from January. Knudsen, who could not be immediately reached for comment, has filed for a copyright on the character.

"I feel like I'm Slenderman's manager, and he's out there doing his thing, and I need to just kind of watch him and take care of him."

Is Victor Surge going to take back Slendy via legal action? This could possibly be a large road bump for creators...Or maybe not, I have no idea what he has in store if he ends up getting that copyright. I hope he doesn't stop our fun because he's most likely under scrutiny now by rando's who feel the need to bitch at the source.

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