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What do you want to see?/What are you sick of?
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Lithp
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The big problem with Morse Code to me is that it implies that Slenderman possesses normal human communication, he just can't articulate it, due to lacking a mouth. This begs the question of why he wouldn't just write things out. He doesn't fall over objects, so the excuse that he can't see is right out. Or, to be even more efficient, he could just beam letters straight into the camera.

Epiphanies are not necessarily lazy writing in & of themselves. The trouble is that it's hard to remove yourself from the plot, which you already know in intimate detail, & figure out how much a person could figure out on their own, based on logic alone. Also, without a character handing out plot answers like candy, it is difficult to communicate to the audience that this is the actual explanation.

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Cyan507
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I hate when Slenderman appears, there's distortion and then everyone wakes up somewhere like nothing happened.

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SilentMedusa
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Here's what I'm tired of: gratuitous mystery.

This is going to be long, but that's the only way I can say this without coming off as attacking people who have different preferences, which is dumb.

Every so often during a discussion of a Slender series, someone will express frustration that we don't have any grasp of what Slendy's doing, or why. Almost immediately, several other people will reprimand them, and assert that they're wrong; not knowing anything is what makes Slender Man scary, and as soon as you start explaining anything he's ruined and we might as well just find something else to do with our time. More often than not this assertion is followed up by questions about the intelligence and maturity of the complainant, because how else could they not already understand and enjoy this concept?

I'll explain how. First, I have to touch on something else. There is a trope called Nothing Is Scarier. That's what people are talking about. If you don't know, you have to just use your imagination, and that will always be scarier than anything someone else could come up with. The thing is, this trope only works if it's done well. And as with all things, the number of people who think they can do it well is much larger than the ones who actually can.

Now, I'll talk about why this concept (as far as the Slender Man goes, at least) doesn't work for me any more. When I discovered all of this a year ago, it did work. Just reading the Slender Man Mythos page at TV Tropes gave me trouble sleeping. When I worked up the nerve to start watching Vlogs I had to watch just a few, early in the day, so by the time bedtime rolled around I would have more pleasant things at the front of my mind.

But over time, I noticed that not much was happening. And that would've been ok, but there weren't even many hints. Or implications. I stopped being scared, because there was nothing to be afraid of. Just some guy that photo bombed college students, messed up electronics, and occasionally 'took' people.

Took them where? For what purpose? Why them and not others? Those are the questions I've been called wrong for wanting answers to.

It doesn't have to be that way. Whether you make a blog, a vlog, or straight narrative fiction, this is your story. So, what is your Slender Man in your story? The possibilities are endless: demon, angel, ghost, curse-stricken human, forest spirit, government experiment gone wrong-or horribly right, rouge death spirit, unconscious psychic projection, extra-dimensional traveler, etc. That's just what I could think of off the top of my head. You (the writer) should know this, because that will affect Slendy's motives, his motives will (or should) affect his behavior, and his behavior will affect the behavior of your protagonist(s).

Now, I'm not saying you should explain all of it to us, but you should know it yourself. And you can then drop hints and clues. Things that not only we, but your protagonist can pick up on. Hell, I wouldn't mind being gently, subtly, led into making a conclusion that turned out to be wrong, but just as plausible as as the truth. Which should be suitably horrifying. Or tragic; I can see a scenario where Slender Man is actually benevolent, but because he's so very different from us human, all his genuine attempts to help end in disaster.

And I'd like to address one more problem I have with the 'not knowing makes it scarier' argument. Most of the things that have scared me over the years were things I did know all about, be they books, movies, or even video games. Which makes it a blanket statement that can't possibly apply to everyone, and shouldn't be treated as if it did.

So, that's my rant. Bless you if you read all of that, and if not, well, at least I had my say.[/i]

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thatslenderdude
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[quote="Cyan507"]
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As for this mimicking video, here you go. Enjoy the cringe


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not these kids again............

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Lithp
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SilentMedusa wrote:
Here's what I'm tired of: gratuitous mystery.


I read that all, & I am on board with you 2000%. First of all, the problem is that this assumes that Slenderman is really that scary to begin with. Frankly, I think he's just slightly creepy & a lot of people don't find him scary at all.

And why? The answer that they almost always give is that they don't understand what they're supposed to be scared of. This was a frequent complaint leveled at Slender. "Did he kill me? All I saw was a burst of static? How is that scary?"

Keeping us in the dark about the whole plot makes us confused, not scared. Especially when they keep having run-ins with Slenderman & it keeps turning out fine. This is my problem with Marble Hornets. "Who cares? They'll just get away. Even if something bad DOES happen to them, they won't remember it."

Conversely, this is one of the things that I found WAS scary about Slender: The Arrival. It gives you a general understanding about Slenderman's MO. He stalks this area of Oakside Park & torments people until they either kill themselves or become his deformed slaves. Which sounds retarded when I say it, but they explained it better than I do! It also gives hints that there's a history behind this, as Slenderman is most likely the reason why the abandoned mine in Oakside was shut down.

So you don't have to give everything away, just enough that there's actual plot development. And if you CAN think of a good origin for Slenderman, I say go for it. I've read a lot of Slenderman origin stories, like the "Tulpa Theory," for instance. Some of them I think are pretty good. The ones I think are bad don't affect my enjoyment of other stories, because I know they're not canon.

Also, I have a problem with the belief that not explaining the plot is SO DEEP. I don't want to use my imagination, I watch this shit to find out what happens.

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Cyan507
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I want to see less stabbings, I want the fandom that I found my home to not be the butt of a media agenda to blame someone for a violent act.
And I'm sick of people seeing people get hurt because children can't separate their fantasies from real life. It makes me sad, but at the same time give me a very sharp pain in my rear.

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As for this mimicking video, here you go. Enjoy the cringe


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not these kids again............


wait......AGAIN!?

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I'm nodding along with everything I'm reading, mainly because it's what I'm trying to not do with my own series. I like twists, I like a little bit of mystery, but I also love that OHHHHHH moment when everything comes together and there's some satisfaction to be had.
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knifebladepresents
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The thing is, I don't really find SLender Man that scary either. Once in awhile he'll spook me if it's done right, but mostly I am too, tired of the unsolved mysteries. The problem is, if one doesn't find a lot of these new series creepy, they don't stand on their own. There's no story beyond that.

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thatslenderdude
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Cyan507 wrote:


wait......AGAIN!?

Yes, I have seen these kids videos before and they are awful.
They make long extended videos where almost nothing happens. They also like to steal ideas from other series which is self explanatory.


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Gale
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I'm sick of seeing people ripping off other Slenderverse series and kids making very shitty videos as mention above.

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Cyan507
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Gale wrote:
I'm sick of seeing people ripping off other Slenderverse series and kids making very shitty videos as mention above.


Although it's hard to come up with really new stuff as a lot's been done, you can really tell when people just don't try.

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Cyan507 wrote:
Gale wrote:
I'm sick of seeing people ripping off other Slenderverse series and kids making very shitty videos as mention above.


Although it's hard to come up with really new stuff as a lot's been done, you can really tell when people just don't try.


It's not that it's hard--it's that a couple of groups come up with an idea or a couple of ideas, and then they gain popularity, and then everyone else who comes along either plagiarizes or writes thinly disguised fan fic thinkin' that they're cool.

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Peppercorn
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SilentMedusa wrote:
But over time, I noticed that not much was happening. And that would've been ok, but there weren't even many hints. Or implications. I stopped being scared, because there was nothing to be afraid of. Just some guy that photo bombed college students, messed up electronics, and occasionally 'took' people.


This is why I tell people to think about the way they use the Slender Man and what using him specifically means for the story... because there's regurgitating his common traits because a better series once used them, and then there's reworking them into something that has a reason to use them... the reason being that they convey a mystery with enough actual substance that people will care what the answers are. There's a line between being vague about what the monster is, and being vague about why we should care.

Have the character analyze the Slender Man. Let them discuss their guesses towards his motivations or origins. Having the character, themselves unsure, do this allows you to apply enough weight to the situation for the audience to care about answers, while still keeping it open-ended enough for intriguing questions. Or, if you are going to pull the Eldritchphant In The Room deal like Marble Hornets by rarely acknowledging him, make sure to define him clearly by his actions. And for the love of God, let events escalate. Our picture of what your Slender Man is should build up alongside the evident threat he poses. Work at the right pace to build the plot and atmosphere so that the appearances where he "doesn't do anything" are timed correctly and build tension, instead of leaving us at a stalemate because you don't have the balls to actually let him do something. Every time he appears should be gradually worse than the last, for one reason or another.

It's very important to consider the substance that made the Slender Man and his common traits ever creepy to begin with. I still stand by my suggestion for creators to make their series as if it was the first a new fan would watch.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
Gale wrote:
I'm sick of seeing people ripping off other Slenderverse series and kids making very shitty videos as mention above.


Although it's hard to come up with really new stuff as a lot's been done, you can really tell when people just don't try.


It's not that it's hard--it's that a couple of groups come up with an idea or a couple of ideas, and then they gain popularity, and then everyone else who comes along either plagiarizes or writes thinly disguised fan fic thinkin' that they're cool.

Sad really.

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Lithp
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Clairabel wrote:
I'm nodding along with everything I'm reading, mainly because it's what I'm trying to not do with my own series. I like twists, I like a little bit of mystery, but I also love that OHHHHHH moment when everything comes together and there's some satisfaction to be had.


This has nothing to do with the topic, but how do I find the starting point of your series? I kept hitting "go back" in the archives & never seemed to get anywhere.

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