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[SPEC] The Final Entry
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Cyan507
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I'm all down with a seemingly anticlimactic non-fight, if and only if

1. It's startling or jarring to watch and is unexpected and only seems like an anticlimax when we come on here to praise or rip it and MarbleHornets prepares more Eddie Murphy GIFs,

2. The fighting isn't substituted with talking (because while MH has had some very fine dialogue, this isn't the kind of thing one can really talk around), and

3. There's an element of danger that follows, if only for a brief time (e.g., there's an ambush or some sort of paranormal activity overload). There's nothing wrong with an ending or even a climax that at first doesn't feel like a climax.


I agree, I'm okay with there being no fight as long as that they can substitute it with something better. But once you take talking out of the equation there's not a whole lot you can put in it's place. Off the top of my head all I can think of is either one of them simply pulling a gun(which Tim won't do) or a trippy game of cat and mouse like #83. But I really like your third point, I want shit to hit the fan, I want everything to go haywire, there's been may too much tension building for TO not to go crazy, proper crazy.

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Let's quickly go over what we know about the next entry (assuming that it's the climax/final entry) from in game context and out of game context.

IN GAME

-Tim is looking for Alex

-Tim will be forced to use Troy's camera (as I pointed out before)

-Alex watches MH so he knows that Tim did not get burned in the fire

-The location will be somewhere that Alex knows that Tim is familiar with (so it's probably somewhere we know of)

OUT OF GAME

-there were multiple filming days in which they got everything they wanted within that day

-it is a very involved shoot

-Joseph almost said lines from this entry when imaging a Pro wrestling championship

-Joseph was present at the shoot from a couple of days ago

SPECULATION TIME

Okay I figure that they must have been filming in multiple locations which would explain the whole multiple days of them getting everything they needed as well as the comment that it is a very involved shoot.
The fight will definitely be next entry because the fact that Joseph almost the lines of the entry in the context of a pre-roll for a wrestling tournament.

So I think the next entry will go a little like this, Tim doesn't have any idea what Alex meant when he said the he knew where he would be ... so he starts looking in various places such as the hospital , the school , and finally the tunnel (I guess) where he meets Alex and then the confrontation happens. I have no idea as to how this will go down exactly Alex will definitely start off by spewing out more bullshit ... and maybe he might fall under Bond villian syndrome where Tim will just get him while he still has his angry monologue ... perhaps Tim will tackle him knocking him through the exit of the Tunnel and then ... they end up in the place where there is no light/the ARK ... and that's where the real fight will happen ... at one point the camera will be dropped ... and that's just about all I got.


I hope you don't mind me picking your theories, but I have no life and I'd like to add my two cents :S

IG:

Tim knows exactly where Alex is, as presumably the fandom does too.

Tim will use *Jay's camera. Troy just happens to look like Jay.

OOG:

When multiple days were mentioned I immediately thought doozy territory.

The term "involved" just cements this.

Was this business of Joseph slipping words from the posdcast?

I'd be surprised if Joseph wasn't in the next Entry tbh, if I may be so bold to say that photo of him with the turtle looks exactly like the tunnel in Rosswood. I'm not sure if Alex is prone to making the clichéd mistake of monologuing a second time, compare #52 to #80, he's learned from his mistakes. This of course is only worth considering if TO was not directly puppeteering Alex in #80 as some speculate.


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Ok we are almost at a month with no entry and they said it wont take a month to come out so when do you reckon entry 86 (final?) will come out

This has to be the fight/showdown.


You should probably read the news.

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lonsumtravlr
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Cyan507 wrote:
I agree, I'm okay with there being no fight as long as that they can substitute it with something better. But once you take talking out of the equation there's not a whole lot you can put in it's place. Off the top of my head all I can think of is either one of them simply pulling a gun(which Tim won't do) or a trippy game of cat and mouse like #83. But I really like your third point, I want shit to hit the fan, I want everything to go haywire, there's been may too much tension building for TO not to go crazy, proper crazy.


I wouldn't mind seeing that--I kinda think TO has to go a bit crazy as in the old days (of TO moving and stuff). There has to be one ep that recalls seasons one and parts of season two and the early part of season three. But I really want that climax to first seem like an anticlimax, and then, oh, holy shit, it ain't over.

Hard to explain it anymore. I'm sorta afraid to speculate because it's not my series, so I don't know what's in the writer's hive mind, but I also am hoping to be pleasantly shocked. I sorta want that ending to have the creeping burn of a ghost pepper. It starts off disappointing, and then the roof of your mouth is all blistery. I don't know if that makes sense. But I'm also wicked hungry. Thinking 'bout wings.

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Cyan507
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
I agree, I'm okay with there being no fight as long as that they can substitute it with something better. But once you take talking out of the equation there's not a whole lot you can put in it's place. Off the top of my head all I can think of is either one of them simply pulling a gun(which Tim won't do) or a trippy game of cat and mouse like #83. But I really like your third point, I want shit to hit the fan, I want everything to go haywire, there's been may too much tension building for TO not to go crazy, proper crazy.


I wouldn't mind seeing that--I kinda think TO has to go a bit crazy as in the old days (of TO moving and stuff). There has to be one ep that recalls seasons one and parts of season two and the early part of season three. But I really want that climax to first seem like an anticlimax, and then, oh, holy shit, it ain't over.

Hard to explain it anymore. I'm sorta afraid to speculate because it's not my series, so I don't know what's in the writer's hive mind, but I also am hoping to be pleasantly shocked. I sorta want that ending to have the creeping burn of a ghost pepper. It starts off disappointing, and then the roof of your mouth is all blistery. I don't know if that makes sense. But I'm also wicked hungry. Thinking 'bout wings.


Trufax. We need more surprises and twists, a least a major one that will completely tip over our perspective on things, and if they can do this via referencing S1 and S2 splendid. But we cannot get an anticlimactic ending, we just can't.

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 		I do hope we get a nice very long entry with all the lingering plot threads - one perhaps, the boys have filmed over time in addition to completing the other entries. A slow immersion into the truth of it all Smile

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Gante
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 		Trosephim just sent an email to all the kickstarter supporters. The last few lines read like this:
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We have just one more shot of the upcoming entry to get before it's ready for editing. Hopefully it'll be up sometime later this week. If not that then early early next week. Can't wait for everyone to see it.

It's a doozy.


Return of the Doozy confirmed!

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lonsumtravlr
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Gante wrote:
Trosephim just sent an email to all the kickstarter supporters. The last few lines read like this:
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We have just one more shot of the upcoming entry to get before it's ready for editing. Hopefully it'll be up sometime later this week. If not that then early early next week. Can't wait for everyone to see it.

It's a doozy.


Return of the Doozy confirmed!


Hmm... I'm a backer but never received this email.

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 		Well, I can say with some confidence that the next entry (#86) will have some kind of fight or struggle between Alex and Tim. After that, I have next to no clue what will happen. Maybe Hoody will make a return, or some other character.

I mean, I definitely expect to have some answers given to us, that's for sure. Answers to questions like:

What exactly is the Ark?
What's Alex's goal and what's with his attachment to the Operator?
Where are Jessica, Brian, Seth, Sarah, and Amy?
Who is Hoody REALLY and what is his goal?

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Cyan507
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Gante wrote:
Trosephim just sent an email to all the kickstarter supporters. The last few lines read like this:
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We have just one more shot of the upcoming entry to get before it's ready for editing. Hopefully it'll be up sometime later this week. If not that then early early next week. Can't wait for everyone to see it.

It's a doozy.


Return of the Doozy confirmed!


called that shiz Very Happy

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 		I just rewatched the entire series and have some thoughts on the third season and podcast, though not exactly a lot of speculation.

- Season 3 opens with Jay, Jessica and memory loss
- This season is all about Tim
- Teleportation and the alternate "slenderverse" are irrefutably introduced
- Discovering new tapes is still a possibility, as we saw in #84
- Alex was not really trying to kill Tim with the fire, like the fire on Jay's apartment did not kill him either
- Alex really wants to end it all and seems to have information that could help achieve it...
- ...but we don't know for sure
- We are not sure what Alex means when he says everybody is "gone"
- The narrator has changed and can still change for the final entry
- We've seen the characters taking more drastic measures this time (Jay with a knife, Alex finally shooting Jay and setting the house on fire, Tim trying to catch Alex AND confronting TO)
- The guys really seem to want to end the series and move to new projects


This all leads me to belive that there won't be an open ending mainly because of the last point and the fact that they have visible aged, (entry #84 is barely believable if you pay attention to the physical appearance of Alex in the first entries, and to a lesser extent, Brian) leads me to believe that another tape from the past is unlikely to appear, unless it carries a (very) major revelation. At this point I am not sure if that would be fair.

The theme of memory loss seem too big to not be addressed again in some way. Also, we have seen the bodies of characters we presume dead, like Bruce and Hoody. It could mean something for Jay, and I must add the "last chance" message on Tim's mirror.

I have no idea how the series will end, but I think it will involve at least a couple of these elements. Personally I don't like the idea of an text epilogue entry (though it makes sense and would match the introduction). I'd much prefer a confrontation between Tim and Alex being disrupted by TO, when something is revealed about it in a short glimpse of action. But who would upload the entry and not provide additional insight in the form of text?

Tim coming to terms with the fact that he must sacrifice himself does not seem that unlikely to me.

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kurazaybo2 wrote:
I just rewatched the entire series and have some thoughts on the third season and podcast, though not exactly a lot of speculation.

- Season 3 opens with Jay, Jessica and memory loss
- This season is all about Tim
- Teleportation and the alternate "slenderverse" are irrefutably introduced
- Discovering new tapes is still a possibility, as we saw in #84
- Alex was not really trying to kill Tim with the fire, like the fire on Jay's apartment did not kill him either
- Alex really wants to end it all and seems to have information that could help achieve it...
- ...but we don't know for sure
- We are not sure what Alex means when he says everybody is "gone"
- The narrator has changed and can still change for the final entry
- We've seen the characters taking more drastic measures this time (Jay with a knife, Alex finally shooting Jay and setting the house on fire, Tim trying to catch Alex AND confronting TO)
- The guys really seem to want to end the series and move to new projects


This all leads me to belive that there won't be an open ending mainly because of the last point and the fact that they have visible aged, (entry #84 is barely believable if you pay attention to the physical appearance of Alex in the first entries, and to a lesser extent, Brian) leads me to believe that another tape from the past is unlikely to appear, unless it carries a (very) major revelation. At this point I am not sure if that would be fair.

The theme of memory loss seem too big to not be addressed again in some way. Also, we have seen the bodies of characters we presume dead, like Bruce and Hoody. It could mean something for Jay, and I must add the "last chance" message on Tim's mirror.

I have no idea how the series will end, but I think it will involve at least a couple of these elements. Personally I don't like the idea of an text epilogue entry (though it makes sense and would match the introduction). I'd much prefer a confrontation between Tim and Alex being disrupted by TO, when something is revealed about it in a short glimpse of action. But who would upload the entry and not provide additional insight in the form of text?

Tim coming to terms with the fact that he must sacrifice himself does not seem that unlikely to me.


We don't, but I really think that everyone's "gone" in the sense of "dead or dying and preserved in Oppy Town for whatever bizarre purpose that Oppy takes and preserves them there."

I don't know, but my theory (and this isn't wholly original to me, but it's mine just because it's what I promote) is that Alex somehow realized what was going on and came to the conclusion that to stop TO from spreading he had to eliminate everyone involved in the MH shoot (not that he's always consistent in this--I think that in Entry #64 he phoned Jay to tell him to leave the tunnel so TO could take Tim). But Tim (who'd been through that before and, as Alex found out far later, was "the source"), Brian, and Jay weren't taken for good for some reason (or at all--it seems they were repeatedly Slendywiped). And Alex felt he had to stop it.

I can see why some have thought of him as a "proxy" and how the notion of a "proxy" may have been inspired by MH, but it doesn't really seem to fit Alex. He's not a mindless drone, and even when he seems to be doing something on TO's behalf or at least seems more comfortable with (or resigned to?) TO, he still doesn't seem to be damn happy about it. The end of Season Two and all of his appearances in Season Three have seemed to be Alex trying to finish what he'd started and to stop TO. (Maybe. Not positive, but hopefully the last entries will clarify some o' this.)

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 		The real trouble with trying to figure out the "end" of MH is the fact is both Alex and Tim have been portrayed as the "bad guys" so the series really can go either way.

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The real trouble with trying to figure out the "end" of MH is the fact is both Alex and Tim have been portrayed as the "bad guys" so the series really can go either way.


And they're both conflicted. And they're both victims. Trosephim wrote themselves into a nice big moral dilemma here.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
sp103 wrote:
The real trouble with trying to figure out the "end" of MH is the fact is both Alex and Tim have been portrayed as the "bad guys" so the series really can go either way.


And they're both conflicted. And they're both victims. Trosephim wrote themselves into a nice big moral dilemma here.


There's no dilemma if they both die.

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kurazaybo2 wrote:

- Season 3 opens with Jay, Jessica and memory loss


- Alex was not really trying to kill Tim with the fire, like the fire on Jay's apartment did not kill him either

- ...but we don't know for sure



Season 2 opened with memory loss. By the time S3 started in the timeline Jessica Dead.

AlexKraile wrote:
If you dont do the right thing and BURN TO DEATH
That speaks for itself really


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 		[quote="Osttle"]
kurazaybo2 wrote:

- Season 3 opens with Jay, Jessica and memory loss


- Alex was not really trying to kill Tim with the fire, like the fire on Jay's apartment did not kill him either

- ...but we don't know for sure



Season 2 opened with memory loss. By the time S3 started in the timeline Jessica Dead.


You are right, sorry for the typo. My point is that I feel the memory loss has to be explained or expanded to a certain extent at this point.

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