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gennerx
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If this really was the last entry I'm a little disappointed regardless of how good the entry was, way too much was left unsaid (although the ending itself wasn't awful). There are bodies the operator took that we don't know what happened to, TTA claimed Jessica was still alive, we never found out what the ark was or why rosswood was shifting around, no way to figure out why tta would help tim sometimes and harm/tease him others.... but yeah. Every single person (besides Jessica according to TTA) is dead, so there's no reason to believe this could possibly continue.

I still think this was it. Alex tells Tim he has to stab himself, he starts laughing because he knows Alex is right, and then stabs himself and keels over as the camera falls down the steps. It falls into the typical horror story of "monster lives everyone involved dies" and we're supposed to just suspend our disbelief as to how it got uploaded (similar to paranormal activity). Brian is undoubtedly totheark/hoody, there's no way we're getting more from that account. Even if Tim wasn't dead when the film cut, there was nobody going to be looking for him in there, so he would have just bled out.

I don't want some cheesy epilogue where Tim says he got away and goes "the operator seems to finally be gone but at what cost" and then in the final frame you can see the operator behind him. That would be dumb. Would be better for the trio to just do a Q&A for unsolved mysteries that they didn't have time to get to.

Later today I will be typing out a full plot analysis. Stay tuned.


Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


I think most people just want someone to come on the screen and say "this is what the ark is" before it ends.

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gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
If this really was the last entry I'm a little disappointed regardless of how good the entry was, way too much was left unsaid (although the ending itself wasn't awful). There are bodies the operator took that we don't know what happened to, TTA claimed Jessica was still alive, we never found out what the ark was or why rosswood was shifting around, no way to figure out why tta would help tim sometimes and harm/tease him others.... but yeah. Every single person (besides Jessica according to TTA) is dead, so there's no reason to believe this could possibly continue.

I still think this was it. Alex tells Tim he has to stab himself, he starts laughing because he knows Alex is right, and then stabs himself and keels over as the camera falls down the steps. It falls into the typical horror story of "monster lives everyone involved dies" and we're supposed to just suspend our disbelief as to how it got uploaded (similar to paranormal activity). Brian is undoubtedly totheark/hoody, there's no way we're getting more from that account. Even if Tim wasn't dead when the film cut, there was nobody going to be looking for him in there, so he would have just bled out.

I don't want some cheesy epilogue where Tim says he got away and goes "the operator seems to finally be gone but at what cost" and then in the final frame you can see the operator behind him. That would be dumb. Would be better for the trio to just do a Q&A for unsolved mysteries that they didn't have time to get to.

Later today I will be typing out a full plot analysis. Stay tuned.


Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


I think most people just want someone to come on the screen and say "this is what the ark is" before it ends.


I thought it was pretty clear what the ark is. It's that dark world that an almost dead person or completely dead person gets teleported to by the operator which causes them to die slowly. The ark is essentially a graveyard for TO victims. What else is that dark place? Maybe, just maybe, it's possible to get there alive and well, and if you do, you can damage the operator. That's why Hoody was so obsessed with it.

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 		Do you think it can spread from becoming aware of it through youtube?

How did Tim get it?

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 		Or maybe, just maybe, the Ark is nothing, I've never even bothered thinking about it. I feel it's an abstract concept in tothearks mind. The ark is what he thinks will solve it in his mind. In this case, there can't be a "what is the ark" post, because only totheark can comprehend it.

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Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
If this really was the last entry I'm a little disappointed regardless of how good the entry was, way too much was left unsaid (although the ending itself wasn't awful). There are bodies the operator took that we don't know what happened to, TTA claimed Jessica was still alive, we never found out what the ark was or why rosswood was shifting around, no way to figure out why tta would help tim sometimes and harm/tease him others.... but yeah. Every single person (besides Jessica according to TTA) is dead, so there's no reason to believe this could possibly continue.

I still think this was it. Alex tells Tim he has to stab himself, he starts laughing because he knows Alex is right, and then stabs himself and keels over as the camera falls down the steps. It falls into the typical horror story of "monster lives everyone involved dies" and we're supposed to just suspend our disbelief as to how it got uploaded (similar to paranormal activity). Brian is undoubtedly totheark/hoody, there's no way we're getting more from that account. Even if Tim wasn't dead when the film cut, there was nobody going to be looking for him in there, so he would have just bled out.

I don't want some cheesy epilogue where Tim says he got away and goes "the operator seems to finally be gone but at what cost" and then in the final frame you can see the operator behind him. That would be dumb. Would be better for the trio to just do a Q&A for unsolved mysteries that they didn't have time to get to.

Later today I will be typing out a full plot analysis. Stay tuned.


Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


I think most people just want someone to come on the screen and say "this is what the ark is" before it ends.


I thought it was pretty clear what the ark is. It's that dark world that an almost dead person or completely dead person gets teleported to by the operator which causes them to die slowly. The ark is essentially a graveyard for TO victims. What else is that dark place?


Just leaves open the question why Hoody/Brian was searching for the ark? Even if you assume he was just a shell and suicidal, why did he want to die in the ark? Why would regular death not suffice? Why did he went through all those shenanigans if he could have been search out TO and die for years? What was so special about Jay to him?

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Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
If this really was the last entry I'm a little disappointed regardless of how good the entry was, way too much was left unsaid (although the ending itself wasn't awful). There are bodies the operator took that we don't know what happened to, TTA claimed Jessica was still alive, we never found out what the ark was or why rosswood was shifting around, no way to figure out why tta would help tim sometimes and harm/tease him others.... but yeah. Every single person (besides Jessica according to TTA) is dead, so there's no reason to believe this could possibly continue.

I still think this was it. Alex tells Tim he has to stab himself, he starts laughing because he knows Alex is right, and then stabs himself and keels over as the camera falls down the steps. It falls into the typical horror story of "monster lives everyone involved dies" and we're supposed to just suspend our disbelief as to how it got uploaded (similar to paranormal activity). Brian is undoubtedly totheark/hoody, there's no way we're getting more from that account. Even if Tim wasn't dead when the film cut, there was nobody going to be looking for him in there, so he would have just bled out.

I don't want some cheesy epilogue where Tim says he got away and goes "the operator seems to finally be gone but at what cost" and then in the final frame you can see the operator behind him. That would be dumb. Would be better for the trio to just do a Q&A for unsolved mysteries that they didn't have time to get to.

Later today I will be typing out a full plot analysis. Stay tuned.


Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


I think most people just want someone to come on the screen and say "this is what the ark is" before it ends.


I thought it was pretty clear what the ark is. It's that dark world that an almost dead person or completely dead person gets teleported to by the operator which causes them to die slowly. The ark is essentially a graveyard for TO victims. What else is that dark place? Maybe, just maybe, it's possible to get there alive and well, and if you do, you can damage the operator. That's why Hoody was so obsessed with it.


I still think it's obvious that the ark is death and that people will continue to argue over what it is because they deliberately left it vague.

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Sidenote wrote:


so yeah


LOL

Why did I laugh so hard at that!?

Moral of the story: Don't make student films! Plain and simple.

Sidenote wrote:
Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


Final entry my butt! Razz
Tim has been dealing with the Operator his entire life. Why stop now?

The series just gave him the biggest dilemma of all! The Operator is still messing with Tim, and I don't think the series will end until either Tim *VISIBLY* dies/stabs himself or the Operator disappears.

Also this can't be the last entry because totheark's Null still hasn't been deciphered :3 It's not that I don't want the series to end, it's just really weird if it did after giving Tim a very important mission.

Also, about the screencaps that I included earlier...the images of Jay's dead body are from Entry 83, correct? But that's strange because those images were picked up by the chest camera, not Jay's camera.

Confused I don't get it. Can someone speculate on that?

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PieAvenger wrote:
Sidenote wrote:


so yeah


LOL

Why did I laugh so hard at that!?

Moral of the story: Don't make student films! Plain and simple.

Sidenote wrote:
Agreed. to be honest, i think a lot of people are saying this isn't the end because they don't want to end. in the end, maybe the uploader doesn't matter. maybe this isn't the end, maybe there will be more entries.
but i won't be waiting for it. in my mind, this is the last entry.


Final entry my butt! Razz
Tim has been dealing with the Operator his entire life. Why stop now?

The series just gave him the biggest dilemma of all! The Operator is still messing with Tim, and I don't think the series will end until either Tim *VISIBLY* dies/stabs himself or the Operator disappears.

Also this can't be the last entry because totheark's Null still hasn't been deciphered :3 It's not that I don't want the series to end, it's just really weird if it did after giving Tim a very important mission.

Also, about the screencaps that I included earlier...the images of Jay's dead body are from Entry 83, correct? But that's strange because those images were picked up by the chest camera, not Jay's camera.

Confused I don't get it. Can someone speculate on that?

I guess with the strage 3rd person view from 83 we ultimately passed the point where there is a "rational" explanation of equipment malfunction that causes all those distorted imageses and ...things.
Alex seemingly being able to control the warping also indicates that the crazyness (such as those overlayed screens) are kind of conjured by the characters, rather than a technical malfunction.

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 		I just can't figure how there's people actually thinking Tim is dead and this is the final entry. You can clearly hear him breathing at the end. Moreover, he wasn't mortally wounded; everyone is dead, so no one could've uploaded this.

If Tim'd stabbed himself before dropping the camera, the blood on the knife wouldn't have been almost dry.

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BetaPix wrote:
I just can't figure how there's people actually thinking Tim is dead and this is the final entry. You can clearly hear him breathing at the end. Moreover, he wasn't mortally wounded; everyone is dead, so no one could've uploaded this.

If Tim'd stabbed himself before dropping the camera, the blood on the knife wouldn't have been almost dry.


Well, we are speculating on possible explanations/interpretations of things we saw. I, for example, can't figure how people actually think that things are straightforward and obvious. Wink

But good call out on that possible breathing, I missed that totally. I'm still not sure whether or not it actually IS breathing, but there is definetly a sound. I've ineptly tried to remove some of the noise, and now it sounds more like a bird outside, but hear for yourself:
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Don't have time to write out all my thoughts right now, but aside from that random tumblr guy's post (not sure who that is or how exactly I ended up there, to be honest), I will say this: HOLY SHIT.

Also, it sounds to me like he says "If it's still alive, you have to kill it and then yourself." I could be wrong, but it definitely sounded to me like "it" and not "them" or "anyone" or any such thing.

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 		If they were gonna have Tim try to kill the operator it would have been then and there while the operator was in front of him with a knife in his hand. Plus, what, do you want them to show Tim stabbing/shooting the operator and having it keel over and die on camera? yeah right

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TheJoker wrote:
http://gay-potato-fun.tumblr.com/post/88920020241

Don't have time to write out all my thoughts right now, but aside from that random tumblr guy's post (not sure who that is or how exactly I ended up there, to be honest), I will say this: HOLY SHIT.

Also, it sounds to me like he says "If it's still alive, you have to kill it and then yourself." I could be wrong, but it definitely sounded to me like "it" and not "them" or "anyone" or any such thing.


I heard "them." Just rewatched that particular scene a couple of times to try to confirm it.

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 		Saying that the ARK is death is completely missing the fact that Hoody listed it separately from death in decay, "HE WILL LEAD ME TO YOU;LEAD ME TO DEATH;LEAD ME TO THE ARK" it's sort of like that guy who made the theory of Tim being the ark, in the way that it makes no since within the context in which it's used (because Tim said that Jay would lead in to the ark in Entry##### which doesn't make since considering Tim should't need to be lead to him self).Also saying that Hoody is the only one that can understand what it is is ridiculous because Masky was also in search of the ARK as he straight up says in Entry#####.While think it could be the concrete place where Oppy takes people when they die that brings up the quest "Why did TTA refer to it as the place where there is no light instead of the ARK?"

Tim couldn't have died he probably just passed out due to overdoes and exhaustion.If you look at where he was shot you can tell that it did't hit a major vessel because it seems to be more on side of his leg then on the front of it (where the major vessels are) also if it did hit any sort of major vessel there would be a shit ton of blood coming from his leg and he would have died a lot sooner.

The strange behavior with the twitter an what not could because he's finally gone Masky, but who really knows Dunno

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He may be referinf to the opeator. Also when tim says "LOOKS LIKE YOU FORGOT SOMEONE." i see that As tim mocking alex for not killing him yet


That's what it seemed like, too. It was a sort of tough-guy cataclysmic fight line, maybe stock but not cliche. It comes in the context of Tim asking Alex whether he felt completely "in control" when he was killing others. Then the fist and knife to the neck!

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