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lonsumtravlr
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JAL13 wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
People don't get that the whole point of Marble Hornets is subverting usual horror/mystery tropes for the sake of realism as a contribution to the atmosphere. Brian dies in a stupid, random, upsetting way because that's how people die in the real world. So does Jay. It's the same reason the series doesn't have very many jump scares, and spends half the first season running out of context slender man clips. That's how the series is. All the characters dying in random, sad ways is completely and utterly correct, at least in my eyes. Also, for the people really complaining about the lack of action, Tim just stabbed Alex to death with a pocket knife while screaming at the top of his lungs and then coughed up blood til he passed out. I mean really.


Best post I've seen in 18 pages. Thank you DHawk and I 100% agree. Goodnight everybody and thanks for coming. *Curtain Call*


Agreed. Nothing more to be said. Except that not showing every single random, sad death is also pretty realistic considering that the killer destroyed the majority of the evidence (I'm sure Sarah's death was on one of those melted tapes found in the static hole near the Red Tower, but I'm sure no one would really want to watch it--except for Serum).

I mean, would people actually want to see Alex put Amy down? Maybe come up to her to comfort her while she's crying or screaming or incoherent? Hug her? Maybe kiss her head? Hold her close? Then snap her neck? You're sick fucks.

EDIT: Plus, how would he hold the camera? Would he set it down? Or would he use the chest cam? Good lord.

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hachiman
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 		Even if Tim is still alive and did upload the entry, what if he's terminally ill now?
Btw Serum had his account deleted some time ago if you didn't know. Smile

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Has anyone pointed out yet how Tim wound up knowing way more than he ever shared with Jay or us? The stuff about containing the Operator vs. feeding it, doing what it wanted, Alex killing Amy, Tim didn't arrive at those conclusions based on the stuff he and Jay shared with us, he just knew it. Plus, like he finally admitted to Alex in this entry (and couldn't even 100% admit to Jay), he knew he had been dealing with it all his life. I'm kinda hoping that, if we do get another entry, it's going to be Tim doing some kind of confessional and coming clean with us.


See, I don't know that all of that was evidence of him holding everything back. The way I view Tim's story, he was counseled and drugged into believing that he was "sick." But the counseling and the drugging helped to some degree. Having a real person (Brian) in his life for the first time helped too. We don't know everything that happened from the MH project up to Tim's tirade in Entry #59, and I'll agree that he's not entirely trustworthy from Entry #65 on just because we (rightfully) may feel sorry for him because of all he's suffered. But it could be that he'd thought all of this was under control. Then taking part in the film project reawakens it and the symptoms (he may have thought that the TO appearance during the storm in his apartment was just a hallucination coming back) return. Then it gets under control when Alex stops filming, Brian and Jay are seemingly taken but are "reset" (though Brian's corrupted), and Alex tries to lead a normal life. Then Jay starts his Marble Hornets vlog and it's triggered again for a bit, and Tim really doesn't know everything and how it all fits together until he gets a third-person view in the form of the entries that Jay posts.

I'm not saying this is right, mind you; I'm saying that this is how I view what's been happening to Tim.

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lonsumtravlr
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hachiman wrote:
Even if Tim is still alive and did upload the entry, what if he's terminally ill now?
Btw Serum had his account deleted some time ago if you didn't know. Smile


Yes, I know. It actually makes me sad. I don't know if he had issues or what. The overwhelmingly negative response to his post suggesting, if only in post-speak, that another poster should kill himself seems to have been the catalyst.

I was just making a reference as a joke. I don't want to reopen anything else. I'll otherwise try to keep this on topic.

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 		The clean looking shot of Brian made me wonder...
Perhaps Alex killed Brian as we assume at the hospital, but his body lingered here instead of being teleported and became what is known as 'Hoody'.
Due to his altered state, Hoody is unable to vocally communicate and has abilities to perhaps use/manipulate time and space (or inter-dimensional) to jump around.
Hoody has been trying to let Jay know about Alex's plan to kill everyone else and used Tim as Masky to help out his cause.
Therefore, when Alex says that Brian died a slow death, he did not mean the literal fall that killed Hoody, but his whole journey to him diminishing as Hoody.

Or not.

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lonsumtravlr
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hachiman wrote:
Even if Tim is still alive and did upload the entry, what if he's terminally ill now?
Btw Serum had his account deleted some time ago if you didn't know. Smile


I wouldn't be surprised if this pushed him over the bloody edge. The last thing Tim ever seemed to be was a killer (unless patients died in the hospital fire). Masky's a brute and a goon, and Tim has largely talked bigger than he was willing to walk (not that he hadn't had his moments of bravery--for example, Entry #72). But both personae had always balked at actually following through with a deed like that.

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 		I like the idea of the final entry being just Tim doing a confessional, maybe while driving to stay in the theme to signal the end. A further explanation of what TO is, what TO does to you and how sorry he is etc, etc.

I don't think an Operator Vs. Tim ending is needed. At no point has the Operator ever been vulnerable to anything or shown any type of weakness unless you count the pills Tim takes. At the least it keeps him away. All of a sudden making TO susceptible to being attacked weakens the idea of the Operator.

Although you could obviously flip my idea in the notion that in other Slendy series he's been attacked without anything happening (Tribe Twelve with the gun, Evan with the Bat in EMH).

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ziggazern wrote:
The clean looking shot of Brian made me wonder...
Perhaps Alex killed Brian as we assume at the hospital, but his body lingered here instead of being teleported and became what is known as 'Hoody'.
Due to his altered state, Hoody is unable to vocally communicate and has abilities to perhaps use/manipulate time and space (or inter-dimensional) to jump around.
Hoody has been trying to let Jay know about Alex's plan to kill everyone else and used Tim as Masky to help out his cause.
Therefore, when Alex says that Brian died a slow death, he did not mean the literal fall that killed Hoody, but his whole journey to him diminishing as Hoody.

Or not.


Plus the altered state gave birth to Hoody, the tortured cinematic genius. "TTA" is a tremendous auteur.

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sp103 wrote:
I like the idea of the final entry being just Tim doing a confessional, maybe while driving to stay in the theme to signal the end. A further explanation of what TO is, what TO does to you and how sorry he is etc, etc.

I don't think an Operator Vs. Tim ending is needed. At no point has the Operator ever been vulnerable to anything or shown any type of weakness unless you count the pills Tim takes. At the least it keeps him away. All of a sudden making TO susceptible to being attacked weakens the idea of the Operator.

Although you could obviously flip my idea in the notion that in other Slendy series he's been attacked without anything happening (Tribe Twelve with the gun, Evan with the Bat in EMH).


Not against the road trip confessional. I am against any statement about what TO "is." Who says that Tim really knows?

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thisistheend wrote:
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Who Uploaded Entry #86?




I got it here:
http://gr8ce.tumblr.com/post/88971881402/the-the-operator-uploaded-86-theory-i-put


i died

so did alex

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Lithp
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JAL13 wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
People don't get that the whole point of Marble Hornets is subverting usual horror/mystery tropes for the sake of realism as a contribution to the atmosphere. Brian dies in a stupid, random, upsetting way because that's how people die in the real world. So does Jay. It's the same reason the series doesn't have very many jump scares, and spends half the first season running out of context slender man clips. That's how the series is. All the characters dying in random, sad ways is completely and utterly correct, at least in my eyes. Also, for the people really complaining about the lack of action, Tim just stabbed Alex to death with a pocket knife while screaming at the top of his lungs and then coughed up blood til he passed out. I mean really.


Best post I've seen in 18 pages. Thank you DHawk and I 100% agree. Goodnight everybody and thanks for coming. *Curtain Call*


How is that such an amazing post? Unless I missed something, the only people "complaining about a lack of action" are the people mentioning it sarcastically.

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 		The post was a response to someone who was not-sarcastically whining about the supposed anticlimacticness of the death of Brian. So, yes, you missed something.

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Also they battled and chased one another across space and time. It was actually pretty freaking epic, without breaking the show's own story-telling boundaries.

This so much. It was as epic as could be done within the series conventions, and besides Tim and Brian came to blows no less than three times during their chase. That entry and this one were as climactic as they come in MH.

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I mean, would people actually want to see Alex put Amy down? Maybe come up to her to comfort her while she's crying or screaming or incoherent? Hug her? Maybe kiss her head? Hold her close? Then snap her neck? You're sick fucks.

...Right. Yeah. That's sick, who'd want to see that? Not me. Definitely not. That's most certainly not exactly the sort of thing I wanted to see because I take a warped pleasure in seeing characters do truly horrific dark things. Definitely not.

....Why are you looking at me like that?

Also wanted to touch on the fact that the changes in setting seemed to often occur in sync with key points in Alex and Tim's confrontation, usually when the dominant speaker changed or whenever they began fighting.

-It starts in the tunnel with Tim saying that it's never going to stop, and then they warp to Rosswood exterior right before Alex begins to respond exactly how he intends to stop it.

-Then they end up in the building (was that the Hut? Or Hoody's lair? Can't remember) right when Tim attacks Alex, and have their first actual fight in there.

Now here's the interesting part:

-Tim ends up in the hospital when he starts to talk about how he's been haunted by TO his whole life. And where did that haunting initially take place? The setting fits his point quite well.

-And similarly, when Alex responds by talking about what happened to Brian, where should they end up but the location of Brian's corpse? Both of these times, the teleportation seems to relate directly to the train of their conversation.

The remaining teleports also occur at points when the speaker in the conversation changes.

Significant? Not necessarily, but I thought it was interesting.

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Lithp wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
People don't get that the whole point of Marble Hornets is subverting usual horror/mystery tropes for the sake of realism as a contribution to the atmosphere. Brian dies in a stupid, random, upsetting way because that's how people die in the real world. So does Jay. It's the same reason the series doesn't have very many jump scares, and spends half the first season running out of context slender man clips. That's how the series is. All the characters dying in random, sad ways is completely and utterly correct, at least in my eyes. Also, for the people really complaining about the lack of action, Tim just stabbed Alex to death with a pocket knife while screaming at the top of his lungs and then coughed up blood til he passed out. I mean really.


Best post I've seen in 18 pages. Thank you DHawk and I 100% agree. Goodnight everybody and thanks for coming. *Curtain Call*


How is that such an amazing post? Unless I missed something, the only people "complaining about a lack of action" are the people mentioning it sarcastically.


I completely agree. This post wasn't great or amazing at all, and I've read all 18 pages and didn't see one person honestly complaining about lack of action. Everyone's collective response has been that their minds have been blown and it's awesome.

And I don't understand why we all of a sudden don't get the show because we want answers about things. I also see absolutely NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that this is the last update. Like, none. Tim is obviously still alive. The dude just passed out. He was never fatally wounded and there was zero reason for him to just up and die unless the Operator gave him an aneurysm of something like that, and if that happened I'm sure we would have gotten him holding his head and yelling out or something to symbolize that much.

Everyone just ASSUMES this is over. I defy anyone to post one good reason that it actual is, or that Tim's dead. Yes, there's blood on Tim's hand. There's also the knife in Tim's hand. You know, the knife he just fucking STABBED SOMEONE TO DEATH WITH.

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 		Guys, I don't think Tim died. I think he instead, turned into Masky and Masky uploaded Entry 86. The next entry is going to be a TTA-style epilogue with Masky explaining some of the events or doing a recap. At least that will be the final entry, doesn't have to be the next one.

I do think Tim, if alive, turned into Masky.

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 		Again, please pay attention. That post wasn't a response to people who think the series is over, it was a response to people who felt that Brian's death was insufficiently climactic. That post did not accuse you of not "getting" it for thinking it's not over (I don't think it's over either, for that matter.)

Sidenote, did Alex not hit Tim a single time when he was shooting at him in the tunnel? I mean, Tim wasn't exactly moving that fast... he shouldn't have been that hard of a target to hit when firing multiple shots.

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