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[VIDEO] Entry #86
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MarbleHead
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TheJoker wrote:
Again, please pay attention. That post wasn't a response to people who think the series is over, it was a response to people who felt that Brian's death was insufficiently climactic. That post did not accuse you of not "getting" it for thinking it's not over (I don't think it's over either, for that matter.)

Sidenote, did Alex not hit Tim a single time when he was shooting at him in the tunnel? I mean, Tim wasn't exactly moving that fast... he shouldn't have been that hard of a target to hit when firing multiple shots.


If you go back and listen to the gunshots, they're always accompanied by a burst of Operator-like static. I think TO was deflecting the bullets, or teleporting them away to keep Tim alive. It was pretty clear that Tim was no match for Alex from the start, and TO had to directly intervene several times to give him a fighting chance.

Also, if he'd have been shot, we'd have known it at some point. He'd be screaming in pain and he certainly wouldn't be in a position to tussle with Alex and eventually overpower him and stab him to death with the world's smallest knife.

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 		I don't think Tim is dead, because there's no reason for him to be. I'm confident he wasn't shot or stabbed by Alex, and I don't believe he stabbed himself at the end, either. See, if I was going to fatally stab myself to death, I'd use both hands. So Tim should've put down or dropped the camera first, and then fallen. But he didn't drop the camera until after he fell. And I don't believe anything or anyone got him from behind, since he didn't make any... vocalizations indicative of surprise. I think after a very stressful, traumatic, and physically draining event, he vomited, and then passed out. I thought nothing of the fact that there was no text at the end, because we've seen that before, from him and Jay. He probably figures we're smart enough to know that if he was dead, there would be no one left to upload the video.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
I don't think Tim is dead, because there's no reason for him to be. I'm confident he wasn't shot or stabbed by Alex, and I don't believe he stabbed himself at the end, either. See, if I was going to fatally stab myself to death, I'd use both hands. So Tim should've put down or dropped the camera first, and then fallen. But he didn't drop the camera until after he fell. And I don't believe anything or anyone got him from behind, since he didn't make any... vocalizations indicative of surprise. I think after a very stressful, traumatic, and physically draining event, he vomited, and then passed out. I thought nothing of the fact that there was no text at the end, because we've seen that before, from him and Jay. He probably figures we're smart enough to know that if he was dead, there would be no one left to upload the video.


I agree, though the one poster above did make what could be a significant observation that the tweet announcing Entry #86 doesn't have any description but only provides the URL. Of course, maybe IG Tim thinks it's clear everything's done, and then Entry #87 will be another installment of "Aw, not this shit again!"

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MarbleHead wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Again, please pay attention. That post wasn't a response to people who think the series is over, it was a response to people who felt that Brian's death was insufficiently climactic. That post did not accuse you of not "getting" it for thinking it's not over (I don't think it's over either, for that matter.)

Sidenote, did Alex not hit Tim a single time when he was shooting at him in the tunnel? I mean, Tim wasn't exactly moving that fast... he shouldn't have been that hard of a target to hit when firing multiple shots.


If you go back and listen to the gunshots, they're always accompanied by a burst of Operator-like static. I think TO was deflecting the bullets, or teleporting them away to keep Tim alive. It was pretty clear that Tim was no match for Alex from the start, and TO had to directly intervene several times to give him a fighting chance.

Also, if he'd have been shot, we'd have known it at some point. He'd be screaming in pain and he certainly wouldn't be in a position to tussle with Alex and eventually overpower him and stab him to death with the world's smallest knife.


Or that static could indicate both Alex's and Tim's heightened emotional states as well as the fact that they're both infected by TO.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
MarbleHead wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Again, please pay attention. That post wasn't a response to people who think the series is over, it was a response to people who felt that Brian's death was insufficiently climactic. That post did not accuse you of not "getting" it for thinking it's not over (I don't think it's over either, for that matter.)

Sidenote, did Alex not hit Tim a single time when he was shooting at him in the tunnel? I mean, Tim wasn't exactly moving that fast... he shouldn't have been that hard of a target to hit when firing multiple shots.


If you go back and listen to the gunshots, they're always accompanied by a burst of Operator-like static. I think TO was deflecting the bullets, or teleporting them away to keep Tim alive. It was pretty clear that Tim was no match for Alex from the start, and TO had to directly intervene several times to give him a fighting chance.

Also, if he'd have been shot, we'd have known it at some point. He'd be screaming in pain and he certainly wouldn't be in a position to tussle with Alex and eventually overpower him and stab him to death with the world's smallest knife.


Or that static could indicate both Alex's and Tim's heightened emotional states as well as the fact that they're both infected by TO.


It's easier to think that TO was helping him, considering how many random teleportations seemed to go his way. Also, the fact that Alex was about 10 feet away from him when he took 3-4 gunshots at a target who ran directly away from him. Not even a novice with a gun would miss that many times. It's just not probable.

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Marble Hornets
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 		In retrospect, a lot of new things make sense to me. I'm going to write a long post about a plot analysis sometime later, but for now here are some key takeaways



- Alex concludes that because Jay encountered the operator in entry 23/return, even though he thought he killed everyone involved, that someone had to still be alive in order for Jay to encounter the operator. He concluded it was masky, and uses Jay to lure Tim out and break his legs.

- Hoody's message throughout the series is ultimately "there is nothing you can do to stop this, you just have to learn how to deal with it, filming it and getting more people involved is just making things worse" - his ultimate goal is to prevent alex from killing people and expose the truth behind tim's lies. he feels that he has to kill alex, but also probably feels that that would make him no better than alex

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sp103
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 		I think Alex missed numerous times with the shots because the majority of his bullets were fired in the dark tunnel-remember the night vision was on but Alex didn't have that.

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Geneaux486
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 		Okay, so who did Alex miss? Watching it again, after Alex went through the list of people who had been exposed, Tim said "You missed one". Then Alex said "If he's still alive, you have to kill him, then yourself." So who could it be?

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fezstudios wrote:
thisistheend wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
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Who Uploaded Entry #86?




I got it here:
http://gr8ce.tumblr.com/post/88971881402/the-the-operator-uploaded-86-theory-i-put


i died

so did alex


Why must you hurt me in this way?
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Lithp
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The post was a response to someone who was not-sarcastically whining about the supposed anticlimacticness of the death of Brian. So, yes, you missed something.


He didn't say, "Not enough action," he said "Anticlimactic death." So there's 1 guy making that complaint. If that. And it makes even less sense to try to refute a complaint about Brian's death with a scene from this Entry. It's also not really clear if he mentions the height of the fall as a complaint about the drama, the realism, or both.

As for the deflected bullets thing...there's absolutely no indication of it--audio distortion does not count, that shit happens all of the time--& The Operator has never protected anyone from Alex before, so no, I don't agree that this is more probable than Alex just plain missed.

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Geneaux486
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 		Shit man, I'm starting to think that the skull-mask might be worn by another dude. Was there anyone else on any of the Marble Hornets sets in season 1?

"This isn't over, you see how it spreads. If he's still alive, you have to kill him, then yourself."

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Okay, so who did Alex miss? Watching it again, after Alex went through the list of people who had been exposed, Tim said "You missed one". Then Alex said "If he's still alive, you have to kill him, then yourself." So who could it be?


I keep repeating this but, when TimmyTams says that i assume he means that Alex missed Tim. And im still surprised that the guys didnt transcribe this entry. (which will clear this up) but i hear "its still alive, you have to kill it, then yourself"
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Osttle wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Okay, so who did Alex miss? Watching it again, after Alex went through the list of people who had been exposed, Tim said "You missed one". Then Alex said "If he's still alive, you have to kill him, then yourself." So who could it be?


I keep repeating this but, when TimmyTams says that i assume he means that Alex missed Tim. And im still surprised that the guys didnt transcribe this entry. (which will clear this up) but i hear "its still alive, you have to kill it, then yourself"


Alex listed Tim though, when going down the line of people who he's killed. In any case, even if you don't think Alex says "If he's", if you listen closely you can hear two distinct syllables, so it isn't "It's" either. But I'm pretty sure he's saying "If he's still alive".

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 		Plus it wouldn't make sense for Tim to have to kill himself if he succeeds in killing the Operator.

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 		Didn't Alex mention at some point this season that he had a roommate at the house he lived in during the summer of 06?

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