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knightmare
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 		If I try to force myself to hear "If they're still alive, you have to kill them, and then yourself." I can hear that. However, if I'm just listening and not particularly listening for anything, I hear: "If there's someone left, you have to kill them, and then yourself."

I don't know that it really matters, as the two statements essential mean the same thing.

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TheManPF
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knightmare wrote:
If I try to force myself to hear "If they're still alive, you have to kill them, and then yourself." I can hear that. However, if I'm just listening and not particularly listening for anything, I hear: "If there's someone left, you have to kill them, and then yourself."


This

You people keep hearing "alive" because that's what you want to hear, you start listening with that phrase in mind and don't bother trying to identify what he really says

What Alex said in that scene was absurdly unclear, I know, but luckily, we were given this:
censura_umbra wrote:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1uATqQtyi4O


This is enough to identify what he says, just using headphones, you can clearly hear Alex pronounce the "-ft" at the end of that phrase (unless he said "IF THEY'RE STILL ALIVEFT") it'd mean he was saying "if there's someone left", and not what all of the others are hearing

If you can't hear that, then you should consider taking a bath, and washing your ears thoroughly

Also this:
knightmare wrote:
I don't know that it really matters, as the two statements essential mean the same thing.

This discussion is really kind of pointless, since both things mean the same shit

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censura_umbra
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TheManPF wrote:
knightmare wrote:
If I try to force myself to hear "If they're still alive, you have to kill them, and then yourself." I can hear that. However, if I'm just listening and not particularly listening for anything, I hear: "If there's someone left, you have to kill them, and then yourself."


This

You people keep hearing "alive" because that's what you want to hear, you start listening with that phrase in mind and don't bother trying to identify what he really says

What Alex said in that scene was absurdly unclear, I know, but luckily, we were given this:
censura_umbra wrote:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1uATqQtyi4O


This is enough to identify what he says, just using headphones, you can clearly hear Alex pronounce the "-ft" at the end of that phrase (unless he said "IF THEY'RE STILL ALIVEFT") it'd mean he was saying "if there's someone left", and not what all of the others are hearing

If you can't hear that, then you should consider taking a bath, and washing your ears thoroughly

Also this:
knightmare wrote:
I don't know that it really matters, as the two statements essential mean the same thing.

This discussion is really kind of pointless, since both things mean the same shit


The alive part didn't matter much, since you are right it can mean the same thing. But people were hearing "If he is alive, you have to kill him" Which implies there is one more person Alex wants Tim to kill.

The alive part just lends support for that interpretation. Because if alex said "If he is left, you have to kill him" it wouldn't make sense.

tl;dr

"If there's someone left, you have to kill them" and "If there is someone alive, you have to kill them" Are the same hypothetical and it doesn't matter.

"If he is alive, you have to kill him" Is what some people are hearing and using as evidence that there is one more character out there (the one Alex "missed" according to Tim) still and Alex wants Tim to kill him.

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TheManPF
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 		You don't even have to know what he says to know that Alex can't be referring to someone in specific, because

1. There could be more than one person alive
2. If there is only one, Alex wouldn't have any way to know if it's a male or a female
3. If he were talking about a specific person, he would just flat out pronounce his/her name instead of making it more ambiguous by saying "he" just because of reasons

If he were talking about a "he" we would have to assume a lot of things that we don't know for sure, and it's just because some people hear "if he's still alive" (minority), and everything makes more sense if we assume he said "if there's someone left" (besides hearing that clearly in the slowed-down audio)

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censura_umbra
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TheManPF wrote:
You don't even have to know what he says to know that Alex can't be referring to someone in specific, because

1. There could be more than one person alive
2. If there is only one, Alex wouldn't have any way to know if it's a male or a female
3. If he were talking about a specific person, he would just flat out pronounce his/her name instead of making it more ambiguous by saying "he" just because of reasons

If he were talking about a "he" we would have to assume a lot of things that we don't know for sure, and it's just because some people hear "if he's still alive" (minority), and everything makes more sense if we assume he said "if there's someone left" (besides hearing that clearly in the slowed-down audio)


I agree with you and I've made all of these points on previous pages. Though I think this discussion has ended and anyone left still in the minority has decided to just wait to see if they are right instead of arguing anymore.

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Geneaux486
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censura_umbra wrote:
I agree with you and I've made all of these points on previous pages. Though I think this discussion has ended and anyone left still in the minority has decided to just wait to see if they are right instead of arguing anymore.


Not even sure there is a minority anymore. Basically, different people hear different things, and nobody claiming to know for certain is telling the truth, since the dialogue is a garbled death-rattle and nobody here scripted, acted out, filmed, or otherwise assisted in the production of this entry.

Also ya'll still need some giant-ass hearing aids : P

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TheManPF
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 		I guess no one here can actually know for certain if it's the 86th entry because everyone in here could have sight problems, unless we ask Troy if it is

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Geneaux486
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 		If youtube hadn't listed it as entry 86 and the title card had been all blurred and distorted, we might have had a problem there.

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TheManPF
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 		If you people can't count 84-85-86, yes, we might

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Lithp wrote:
How can something be "debatably clear"?

That was bad wording on my part. I meant to imply that while there seems to be common consensus that Hoody!Brian was in charge of the TTA channel, there is not enough direct evidence to preclude any debate on the subject.

IOW, this seems to be the accepted explanation, but it's still quite possibly wrong.

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 		I'm sure there will be an entry 87, because there's one confrontation that still has to happen: Tim has to confront the Operator mano a mano, to take back his life or die trying. I don't believe he's going to embark on a murder spree on Alex's say-so, or that he'll simply off himself without trying to win free. I think he's made of sterner stuff than that.

I'm also slightly boggled at peoples' willingness to believe all this is his fault on the word of two batshit loons. In #37 and "Decay," Totheark clearly thought that it was Alex's fault. Even if Tim is patient zero, he never asked for this and had no way of preventing or controlling it. I suspect the Operator, who feeds on fear and misery, finds his pawns' futile finger-pointing cruelly amusing,[/img]

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Lithp
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Geneaux486 wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:
I agree with you and I've made all of these points on previous pages. Though I think this discussion has ended and anyone left still in the minority has decided to just wait to see if they are right instead of arguing anymore.


Not even sure there is a minority anymore. Basically, different people hear different things, and nobody claiming to know for certain is telling the truth, since the dialogue is a garbled death-rattle and nobody here scripted, acted out, filmed, or otherwise assisted in the production of this entry.

Also ya'll still need some giant-ass hearing aids : P


Make a list of people who think Alex says, "If he's still alive, you have to kill him, & then yourself."

You know, I didn't hear, "And then yourself" for the longest time. But it was in the slowed down audio. I misheard. I acknowledge it. I'm not going to sit here & claim that everyone could technically be wrong because Trosephim haven't specifically said otherwise, which is a really absurd argument. You know, they CAN, technically, transcribe what they said incorrectly, so from the standpoint of this "know for sure" argument, I guess you could say that Alex might be saying, "I like pretty ponies & rainbows," & there would never, ever be a way to prove you wrong.

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That was bad wording on my part. I meant to imply that while there seems to be common consensus that Hoody!Brian was in charge of the TTA channel, there is not enough direct evidence to preclude any debate on the subject.


I was just being a smartass.

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I'm sure there will be an entry 87


Me too, but not for that reason. A showdown with The Operator wouldn't really work. The last Entry or 2, therefore, will be recap. And I predict that we will see Tim starting to revert back to Masky, so that it isn't just a straight infodump with an "It's over...or is it?" ending.

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Geneaux486
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Lithp wrote:
You know, they CAN, technically, transcribe what they said incorrectly, so from the standpoint of this "know for sure" argument, I guess you could say that Alex might be saying, "I like pretty ponies & rainbows," & there would never, ever be a way to prove you wrong.


That's a strawman argument. The audio is not clear, therefore none of us knows for sure what it says. Bottom line.

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Lithp
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 		So your argument does not use the principle that the information is technically uncertain to argue that your interpretation must be equally probable as any other?

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Geneaux486
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Lithp wrote:
So your argument does not use the principle that the information is technically uncertain to argue that your interpretation must be equally probable as any other?


I'm saying nobody here has proven that their interpretation is more valid than the others. Everyone just keeps posting the same clip over and over again, edited for clarity but still muffled, and saying "See? I told you! You're only hearing what you WANNA hear, even though I am arguably doing the exact same thing!". The whole argument is completely silly and that's the only reason I'm still participating in it.

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