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PieAvenger
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Location: The Ark, obviously. Or Michigan. Not Sure.

 		Also to all the people wanting to know what the ark is...

Think about it from Brian's point of view. He suggests that the only way you can ever escape the Operator is by...death.

Death = ark. Ark is safety. The ark is where the Operator can't find you.

I find there is a parallel between Alex and Brian. They apparently both wanted to "save" everyone by killing them. Brian really wanted Alex dead first though. And then he told Jay to "find Alex. Find the ark."

Another reason I don't think this is the end...

It just doesn't make any sense. It's much too tragic. Jessica possibly dies, Tim, pills in hand, drives his way towards...Rosswood Park I believe? Puts on a turn signal and then...that's it?

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gennerx
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PortableMuskrat wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
It's probably the slender void, but it isn't confirmed in the series.


thatslenderdude wrote:


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Only gripe is that WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING ARK IS


The ark was a metaphor for death. as tta's decay says.

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Lead me to the ark. Lead me to death.


It's definitely implied.


I was arguing along those same lines but in light of this entry I think it makes sense to interpret it this way. Hoody was suicidal and wanted Tim to kill him but he didn't want to die until he got Jessica out of slender world(the ark). So in other words you could read it as Lead me to the ark THEN lead me to death.

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 		Re: Tim and Brian
GreyGhost119 wrote:
So why was Tim filming Jay and Alex way back in Exit?


This. So much this. Who the heck was filming "Exit," and, just as importantly, why?

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Lithp
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 		Bioshock Infinite's ending was fine. It made sense & explained a number of things.

I don't hear sirens.

And here's my response to the "fishing for answers" argument: I don't know if there are some big clues hidden in some obscure place or not, but what's my motivation to go looking for them? Yeah, I like Marble Hornets, but not really enough to devote hours to picking apart random Entries. Besides, there's SO MUCH to answer, & even tiny answers are SO HARD to dissect, that it just becomes a chore--& that's IF the answers are even there!

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Well, let me rephrase that. as totheark's decay shows.... Hoody wanted to be lead to the place where there's no light (the ark) Where he met his death. as the other entries show, dead bodies are sent to the ark. He wanted to be led to his death. It is possible that he wanted also to stop the operator from spreading to other people and that was the solution.


Do you really not see the glaring, obvious problem here?

How to reach The Ark:

Step 1. Climb tall building.

Step 2. Jump off.

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Dreveth
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PortableMuskrat wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
It's probably the slender void, but it isn't confirmed in the series.


thatslenderdude wrote:


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Only gripe is that WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING ARK IS


The ark was a metaphor for death. as tta's decay says.

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Lead me to the ark. Lead me to death.


It's definitely implied.


There was no implied guarantee that the death of anyone involved would lead that person to the 'ark'. For years, Brian, presumably, of Totheark, wrote of this 'ark' ambition of his. If getting there really were as simple as getting oneself killed, there would be no reason for him to evade Alex's attacks. Additionally, Entry #65 showed that the Ark is accessible without dying.

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gennerx
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Lithp wrote:
Bioshock Infinite's ending was fine. It made sense & explained a number of things.

I don't hear sirens.

And here's my response to the "fishing for answers" argument: I don't know if there are some big clues hidden in some obscure place or not, but what's my motivation to go looking for them? Yeah, I like Marble Hornets, but not really enough to devote hours to picking apart random Entries. Besides, there's SO MUCH to answer, & even tiny answers are SO HARD to dissect, that it just becomes a chore--& that's IF the answers are even there!

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Well, let me rephrase that. as totheark's decay shows.... Hoody wanted to be lead to the place where there's no light (the ark) Where he met his death. as the other entries show, dead bodies are sent to the ark. He wanted to be led to his death. It is possible that he wanted also to stop the operator from spreading to other people and that was the solution.


Do you really not see the glaring, obvious problem here?

How to reach The Ark:

Step 1. Climb tall building.

Step 2. Jump off.


Step 3 get teleported to safety. I agree with you about the ark but I still think Hoody needed help dying after he accomplished what he needed to there.

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PieAvenger
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Location: The Ark, obviously. Or Michigan. Not Sure.

 		Entry 86:

Tim: "You missed someone."

Makes even more sense now.

I guess I can agree that it's over...then again, not over. We still have Null, folks. I'll try to decipher that mother little by little...

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Lithp
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PieAvenger wrote:
Entry 86:

Tim: "You missed someone."

Makes even more sense now.

I guess I can agree that it's over...then again, not over. We still have Null, folks. I'll try to decipher that mother little by little...


Indeed.

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There is also the issue of Brian and Tim being friends before all this started, best friends in fact. And Tim was sharing his pills with Brian. Why would Brian not side with Tim in hiding Jessica from Jay?


Friends don't always agree with each other. He could have thought it was a terrible idea not to include Jay, or to hide Jessica in the first place. Or he could have found out that Tim was patient zero and blamed him as Alex did (I'd guess around the time he showed up and started writing "LIAR" all over), and maybe came to the same conclusion - everyone had to die, including the girl in hiding.

The latter seems most likely to me, and I like the idea of these other parts of the story playing out unseen elsewhere, available to us only as inferences. But that's me.

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gennerx wrote:


Ok seriously Troy lied to us. He Shyamalan'd the heck out of the series with this. New theory the whole thing's a dream and Hoody is Jessica.


Not at all. Look at Entry #76 again. The purported abduction of Jessica is different than the others by TO caught on camera. As someone else who agrees with me said sometime within the last week, I believe, on the boards, it's a jump cut--and a jump cut with a still of TO from earlier in the video inserted. It's an in-game/in-series forgery, and it left open the possibility that Jessica was still alive. That and the TTA statement that "She's out there." (Though I wonder if Brian knew where she was, either, because as Jay pointed out, all of the TTA footage of Jessica (except for Entry #76) came from Jay's YouTube postings.

Phew. I feel vindicated here, because I posted the theory a few months back that Entry #76 was a forgery. I didn't know that Tim had known where Jessica was, though.

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 		Re: Tim and Brian
SignerJ wrote:
GreyGhost119 wrote:
So why was Tim filming Jay and Alex way back in Exit?


This. So much this. Who the heck was filming "Exit," and, just as importantly, why?

Yeah, what was that about? Maybe it was Brian/Hoody. He seems to be a fan of filming things in secret, like in the totheark video "Reminder."

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commodore64
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mokie wrote:
commodore64 wrote:
There is also the issue of Brian and Tim being friends before all this started, best friends in fact. And Tim was sharing his pills with Brian. Why would Brian not side with Tim in hiding Jessica from Jay?


Friends don't always agree with each other. He could have thought it was a terrible idea not to include Jay, or to hide Jessica in the first place. Or he could have found out that Tim was patient zero and blamed him as Alex did (I'd guess around the time he showed up and started writing "LIAR" all over), and maybe came to the same conclusion - everyone had to die, including the girl in hiding.

The latter seems most likely to me, and I like the idea of these other parts of the story playing out unseen elsewhere, available to us only as inferences. But that's me.


Do we have evidence that Brian was affected by the operator before Alex lured him to the burned out hospital?

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 		I think that ElusiveOllie hit the nail right on the head, like she usually does:

http://the-elusive-ollie.tumblr.com/post/89393785676/lets-talk-about-perfect-endings-as-far-as


After thinking about it a bit more, I'm pretty sure that Tim committed suicide. As Ollie said, the ending shot showed two options, try to live out his life as normal, or commit suicide. I think he chose the latter.
For one thing, also as Ollie pointed out, Tim doesn't look happy. He doesn't look like he's relieved that it all is finally over. Additionally, due to the coughing fit, Tim knows that he's still carrying the Operator "virus." Thanks to Alex's final words, Tim knows what he has to do to prevent it from spreading: kill himself. I think that his ending words, "Everything is fine," were meant to call back to the TTA video. Those who want a hopeful ending can interpret it literally, but I think that what Tim is implying (for those of us willing to look closely enough) is that he's chosen to kill himself.



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Xman wrote:
SignerJ wrote:
GreyGhost119 wrote:
So why was Tim filming Jay and Alex way back in Exit?


This. So much this. Who the heck was filming "Exit," and, just as importantly, why?

Yeah, what was that about? Maybe it was Brian/Hoody. He seems to be a fan of filming things in secret, like in the totheark video "Reminder."


But why would he have been filming? Alex wasn't completely insane by that point, let alone in the state of mind to attack his friends. When "Exit" was filmed, there would have been no reason for Brian to be stalking Alex and Jay, so why would he have been doing so? And the same applies to Tim.

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 		Hmm, at first I thought that Jessica might still be alive (in spite of the sirens) but now I that I see the footage abruptly cuts away at 4:04 I'm pretty sure she's dead at this point. That sucks, I liked her. She was about the only sane character in the whole thing.

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Lithp wrote:
PieAvenger wrote:
Entry 86:

Tim: "You missed someone."

Makes even more sense now.

I guess I can agree that it's over...then again, not over. We still have Null, folks. I'll try to decipher that mother little by little...


Indeed.


I wonder if anyone will decipher that code (except for CaffeinatedCivet, whom I'm can't help but suspect is one of the trio throwing us the occasional bone), but I think that the one takeaway that doesn't require a certificate in cryptography is that with the flash of the "Hoody" mask following "Regards" at the end of the video, TTA was confirming himself to be Hoody on his own. I still don't see any evidence that Masky is any kind of intelligent member of any organization. At best he's a goon under Hoody/TTA's thrall, and this is a post-TO perversion of Tim and Brian's friendship.

And yet... Tim is the one who knew where Jessica was, and Tim shows up de-masked at the end of Entry #76. But if Tim really knew who TTA was, why the three attempted unmaskings in Entry #83? More likely, I think, that after Tim found the tape planted on him he found Jessica and got her the help she needed.

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