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420Goku
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Tim having more pills at the end was a sign he wasn't going to kill himself to me. He went out of his way to get more of them, to continue his struggle to live a normal life. I think we can all agree at this point those pills have a non-lethal overdose and Tim ought to know that too. The pills are actually the best evidence I can think of that Tim took the left turn away from rosswood park.

Wait wait... I just thought of something, what if those were Jessica's pills? Can we see the label on the bottle? Damn that sends a shiver down my spine. Would it take a while to get those pills through his doctor?

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No one has stated that this is the last entry, but i understand people thinking that it is and why people are pissed off about it, because of the following:

When you are into mystery, you want to guess who the killer is (Just an example) and this kind of genre usually throws hints at the viewer/reader for him to try to figuer the mystery by himself. That very human feeling of ''I WAS RIGHT, TAKE THAT FUCKERS!''

Wich brings me to the point everyone is missing, (Assuming the series is over of course) we spent lots of time thinking motivations, clues, who the villain is, stuff that would grant us the answers we were looking for. And even if people can come with theories that hit right in the bullseye, your theory can be disproved by the fact that there is no official/unofficial (THAC, or MH itself) confirmation of any sort. So as accurate as your theory might have been, there is still the chance for it to be wrong, and as horrible your theory could be (Assuming there has been no way for it to be disproven by previous entries) there is still a chance that you might be right

This is a recurrent problem with ambigious endings, where no one is certain of anything and it lets you with that sour taste on your mouth saying ''Is it really over?'' thinking that what the characters did throughout the series was pointless since the threat is still there

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I've been trying to wrap my mind around this for the past day, but I think I've gotten my thoughts collected.

I don't think we're going to get anymore answers. We found out who Hoody was, found out Alex's motivations, but that's about it.

Tim probably doesn't know why TO has been following him so long. TO is some sort of eldritch thingy that probably has motivations far beyond us. I'm okay with not understanding why it did anything it did, or how.

I think the ending to this entry is a good one. Tim just had another horrible coughing fit, causing the usual distortion, indicating that TO is still following him. I don't think he attacked Jessica during a fugue state. Tim seems to have gotten that under control. I think the abrupt "Everything is fine" is his way of leaving everything behind. He doesn't want to explain anything else. He doesn't want to leave one last tweet. He just wants to put up a final message to the people who have been watching and run. Another TTA, leaving some sort of weird cryptic message, would cheapen this, I think. It would be a typical last minute scare.

This is far more subtle. We get the impression everything is not fine, but that's all we're going to get. This is quite possibly the most realistic ending they could have come up with.

Also I do believe this rivals the Harry Potter epilogue for jimmy-rustling. Wink

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Jibbles wrote:
i thought it was implied that Tim killed Jessica when he had a brain attack thingy but maybe im stupid??


It's implied, but we don't really know for sure. I like not knowing for sure. The end is sinister enough. (He even goes into the left-hand ["sinister" literally means "to the left" in Latin; my observation and not saying the trio really intends this, though I think they're better read than they'd let on] lane, though we don't know he really turns that way--it's ambiguous.)

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
I've been trying to wrap my mind around this for the past day, but I think I've gotten my thoughts collected.

I don't think we're going to get anymore answers. We found out who Hoody was, found out Alex's motivations, but that's about it.

Tim probably doesn't know why TO has been following him so long. TO is some sort of eldritch thingy that probably has motivations far beyond us. I'm okay with not understanding why it did anything it did, or how.

I think the ending to this entry is a good one. Tim just had another horrible coughing fit, causing the usual distortion, indicating that TO is still following him. I don't think he attacked Jessica during a fugue state. Tim seems to have gotten that under control. I think the abrupt "Everything is fine" is his way of leaving everything behind. He doesn't want to explain anything else. He doesn't want to leave one last tweet. He just wants to put up a final message to the people who have been watching and run. Another TTA, leaving some sort of weird cryptic message, would cheapen this, I think. It would be a typical last minute scare.

This is far more subtle. We get the impression everything is not fine, but that's all we're going to get. This is quite possibly the most realistic ending they could have come up with.

Also I do believe this rivals the Harry Potter epilogue for jimmy-rustling. Wink


Yeah--I have to take back my earlier statement that this ending was "kind of cliche." I actually really love it. I meant to say that it's more a textbook trope, but it's really well done. I've seen some really great ambiguous endings to shows and films (The Brown Bunny has one of my favorites), and this is up there with them. I can't agree with anyone saying that this is Trosephim flipping the fandom the bird. The bird would comprise giving forced answers to everything, which would ultimately be dissatisfying and then would really make me wonder whether they had any future as filmmakers.

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420Goku wrote:
Tim having more pills at the end was a sign he wasn't going to kill himself to me. He went out of his way to get more of them, to continue his struggle to live a normal life. I think we can all agree at this point those pills have a non-lethal overdose and Tim ought to know that too. The pills are actually the best evidence I can think of that Tim took the left turn away from rosswood park.

Wait wait... I just thought of something, what if those were Jessica's pills? Can we see the label on the bottle? Damn that sends a shiver down my spine. Would it take a while to get those pills through his doctor?


Wouldn't be surprised if he had another bottle or two in the bag, which was already in the car before he left his house.

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Am I really the only one willing to believe the sirens don't mean anything? Is it really not possible that as Tim was driving and filming there was a police car off in the distance that had nothing to do with him IG or OOG?

I am reasonably sure that THAC would have noticed the sirens if we did, and they'd have either done another take or obscured them in editing if they didn't want them to be there.


Unless it was a happy accident. They've worked with mistakes before. The shadow hand seeming to enter Alex's head in Entry #22. If I'm a filmmaker and something like that happens and it heightens the ambiguity of an ambiguous ending, I'm gonna leave it in and roll with it.

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onetruepurple wrote:
Everything is fine.



Where's that from? That's fantastic.

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device wrote:
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Hm yeah, I guess what bugs me really, while it makes sense that Tim hid her survival, and it fits with clues given... what did Tim tell her that got her to stay uninvolved? Just stay inside and go to this psychiatrist, the pills somehow block out the monster. Wear a hood or something when you're out so the crazy guy doesn't see you.

Or did he just say that everything was a hallucination, and the amnesia kicked off this mental illness. And then hoped that Jay and Alex wouldn't see her when she was out. Or did she rationalize it that way herself and went to the psychiatrist on her own, and that's how Tim found her?


I'm pretty sure that Amy doesn't remember seeing TO. She probably doesn't remember Alex attacking her. If we are to believe Jay and Tim's eperience, when you are "taken" by TO, you don't remember the experience. When she's in the hotel she doesn't even remember where her home is. We will never know what Tim told Jessica about Jay.

Depending on her injuries, she may have been in a hospital for a while, or living with her parents, only returning to the area to go to the doctor.
Once Jay found Tim, there was no reason for him to go to that office anymore, except when Tim insisted he go... and since Tim was in contact with Jessica, he knew her schedule. There was little reason to think they would cross paths.

Alex wasn't actively looking for her anymore...probably thought she was dead, since she was "taken".

And Tim pretty much disparaged Jay from looking for her anymore...


Amy doesn't remember anything. She's dead.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
Am I really the only one willing to believe the sirens don't mean anything? Is it really not possible that as Tim was driving and filming there was a police car off in the distance that had nothing to do with him IG or OOG?

I am reasonably sure that THAC would have noticed the sirens if we did, and they'd have either done another take or obscured them in editing if they didn't want them to be there.


Also, we don't know it was a police siren. It coulda been an ambulance or fire truck siren.

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I've seen too much whining about this and that in this thread. So, I give you this post that helped me put shit into perspective. I hope it helps all of you as well.

http://nashscribblings.tumblr.com/post/87973857308/rules-of-rules

Just to quote the core of the post for those with link phobias:

1) You're not the final word in what someone should and shouldn't enjoy. You have every right to offer your opinion or explain the finer points of a piece, but the person you're talking to has every right to say, "Yeah, but I still like it." When it comes to preference, there aren't winners or losers. It's not even an argument. It's just human nature.

2) Anyone can enjoy something any way they goddamn want. You wanna cosplay a female character, and you're male? Do it. You want to write crossover fanfic between George Washington and the Incredible Hulk? Knock yourself the fuck out. You want a custom skin for GTA IV that turns you into a Pokemon? You steal that car, Charmander. You go steal you a good one.

3) Your opinions aren't credentials. If you feel in your heart of hearts that Tom Baker is the best actor to play the Doctor, good on you. But you know what that's worth? Nada. It doesn't give you authority, and it doesn't let you dictate to others. It gives you something you love. Isn't that enough?

4) Other people's opinions aren't going to take away what you love. It's okay. People can not like what you like, or not like it in the way you like it, and that doesn't change what you like. It could, but not by force. It may make you reconsider your feelings. But the existence of a contrary opinion will not hold you down and steal your affections.

5) The minute you enforce your preferences is the minute you become the problem. Not only are you driving new fans away, you're hurting people. You're pushing them to protect themselves the same way you did. And you're creating another nasty little goblin like the one you've been turned into.

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Amy doesn't remember anything. She's dead.






Oh, for the love of... I meant Jessica.
Embarassed

This is why I post so little. My fingers rush ahead of my brain.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
I've seen too much whining about this and that in this thread. So, I give you this post that helped me put shit into perspective. I hope it helps all of you as well.

http://nashscribblings.tumblr.com/post/87973857308/rules-of-rules

Just to quote the core of the post for those with link phobias:

1) You're not the final word in what someone should and shouldn't enjoy. You have every right to offer your opinion or explain the finer points of a piece, but the person you're talking to has every right to say, "Yeah, but I still like it." When it comes to preference, there aren't winners or losers. It's not even an argument. It's just human nature.

2) Anyone can enjoy something any way they goddamn want. You wanna cosplay a female character, and you're male? Do it. You want to write crossover fanfic between George Washington and the Incredible Hulk? Knock yourself the fuck out. You want a custom skin for GTA IV that turns you into a Pokemon? You steal that car, Charmander. You go steal you a good one.

3) Your opinions aren't credentials. If you feel in your heart of hearts that Tom Baker is the best actor to play the Doctor, good on you. But you know what that's worth? Nada. It doesn't give you authority, and it doesn't let you dictate to others. It gives you something you love. Isn't that enough?

4) Other people's opinions aren't going to take away what you love. It's okay. People can not like what you like, or not like it in the way you like it, and that doesn't change what you like. It could, but not by force. It may make you reconsider your feelings. But the existence of a contrary opinion will not hold you down and steal your affections.

5) The minute you enforce your preferences is the minute you become the problem. Not only are you driving new fans away, you're hurting people. You're pushing them to protect themselves the same way you did. And you're creating another nasty little goblin like the one you've been turned into.


This is entirely pointless, just as someone might think ''Best ending ever'' and praise it, or give that sentence as an opinion then i have the right to say ''Worst ending ever'' and give my honest opinions about it. Sure, some wording might be wrong here or there but if they feel like whining they have the right to do so.

No one is forcing his opinions on everyone else here, we are debating, sure there are better ways to do so with some of what i've seen in this thread, but we are debating and seeing different points of view. So don't try to play the superior human being.

As long as they keep it in words and keep it decent then there is no reason to worry about it

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I simply made a post. Like it or don't. Your choice.

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If Entry #87 is the ending, I think there is a way that we can make sense of it. Now, even though this is all speculation, if you bear with me it may make sense to you also.

Rewind to Entry #76, the entry where Jessica is taken into the woods the night after she goes missing from the hotel in Entry #32-33. At the end of the Entry, when she is "taken" by the Operator, there is no CLEAR sign that she has died. Usually when people are killed in this series, we know it due to them being physically harmed before they are taken. Jessica's situation differs from those, because Alex never got to physically harm her in anyway. She may have only been unconscious during the final moments of that entry. Which means the Operator may have only teleported her somewhere (as we've seen many other indications of teleportation before.)

As with Jay, if you rewind back to Entry #77, after he has watched the tape with Jessica and goes to Tim's house with the zipties and knife, Tim implies that he didn't want Jay to see the tape because of what that would do to the investigation. Tim could have been hiding the fact that Jessica was still alive and well from Jay for quite some time. Tim just didn't want the virus to affect Jessica anymore than it did, so Tim kept everyone possible away from her to keep her safe. Because Tim knows how to contain the virus now, and he has been helping Jessica keep it controlled.

Now you may think "Well, if Jessica has been alive this entire time, how is it possible that Jay would NEVER find out? I mean, wouldn't Jessica remember him somehow???" Well, watch this last entry again. Jessica says she would like to "meet" him. Meaning that her memory of him has been wiped. I highly believe that Tim was lying to her about Jay "moving" somewhere and being fine. Jay is most likely dead, Tim just doesn't want Jessica to know that.

As with the ToTheArk channel, I believe that ToTheArk/Hoody has been calling Tim a "liar" for so long because Tim REALLY IS a liar. He has been lying to everyone so that he can keep the disease at bay. He doesn't want those people's symptoms to get anymore worse than they have, so he lies to them to keep the peace.

Think about it, because this is the conclusion that I have drawn from Entry #87, which could quite possibly be the finale.

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