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[VIDEO] Entry #87
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PainFly
Kilroy

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Well it's over (or so it seems). I've gotta say I was pretty happy with the ending, despite the ambiguity.

But here I am, another longtime lurker, first time poster. And I've gotta say I'm surprised there's not more people wanting to talk about Tim's mask.

How exactly did he get it back?

Unless I'm mistaken, the last time we saw it was when Hoody had it back in Benedict Hall. Tim didn't seem to have it at the end of that entry, and we don't see it again until now when he pulls it from his bag and throws it away.

This doesn't add up. I can't see Tim going to retrieve the mask sometime off camera, not after refusing it the way he did.

I kinda hope this isn't the case, but the more I think about it the more I'm convinced Entry 87 comes sometime before Tim's encounter with Hoody at Benedict Hall, unless somebody can show some evidence that says otherwise.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:11 pm
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Marble Hornets
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Well, he does lie about Jay, which he probably didn't have to do if Jay was still alive, as it'd make up for him finding out about entry 68

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Sidenote
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87 is the end

joseph was going to get a mohawk after the series was over

and look

http://peppermint-vodka.tumblr.com/image/89483557333

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Inglorion
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Is it me or are we now able to understand the Operator's motives and modus operandi (you're welcome)?

Seems to me it's some kind of extraterrestrial parasite that latches onto hosts and uses them to harvest bodies to abduct and feed on. Not everything is explained, like how it originally latched onto Tim, but for the most part you can understand what it wants.

I'm highly interested in what occurred between Tim's coughing fit and his driving away during the sound of sirens. There was a still image posted a while back of Jessica seemingly looking OVER Tim's shoulder, with the first suggestion of an alarmed facial expression growing on her face. My guess is, after Alex's death TO latched back onto Tim as its host and either attacked or abducted Jessica. It wouldn't be the first instance of an attack in broad daylight, and in public.

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Marble Hornets
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Sidenote wrote:
87 is the end

joseph was going to get a mohawk after the series was over

and look

http://peppermint-vodka.tumblr.com/image/89483557333


IG joseph is dead, it doesn't have to be over for him to get the mohawk

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:18 pm
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Cyan507
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flatlinee wrote:
I saw a guy talking about credits posts earlier-it's important to note that it took 13-15 days after the ends of Seasons 1 and 2 for THAC to upload the credits for these seasons.

Still no Twitter post about this entry.


^

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Ristar
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Lithp wrote:
Quote:
An ambiguous ending does not automatically improve a series or make it "deep", but it does not necessarily damage it either.


I actually do not agree, I think this is an application of the middleground fallacy."


This.

If they wanted to go for ambiguity, they should've ended it at #86 maye with someone picking the camera at the end and running off.

An abridged version of the final events would be Tim found Alex, pew pew, i win, the end.

While people say ''ambiguity'' i say ''plothole'' (i.e: The tunnel, TTA, how did Brian not get infected by Tim before but Alex did, everyone still trapped inside TO's dimension, the teleportation, etc.)

In other news...

I hear sirens at the end, was that intentional? Alex did say that Tim had to get rid of anyone left, then himself. I wonder if Jessica is still ok. The only thing i smirked at as i saw the ending is how they suggest...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
...that afterall, Tim was still a liar


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King Nuclearo
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As another thing to add, does anyone know what their next series is?

It's mentioned as "The horror/mystery series that follows Marble Hornets" on their Kickstarter. Does this mean a follow-up or just another series?

If it is a sequel series, 87 might just be a lead-in for that.

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Xman
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I've seen a few people talk about how their new horror series could be a continuation of MH or something, but I very, very much doubt that.

They've made it pretty clear in the past that they want to finish Marble Hornets and do different things.

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Marble Hornets
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If they make another horror series after ending it on 87, I will not watch it, that's for sure.

A continuation of MH with different characters would be stupid. MH is pretty much all about the characters now that we know the mysteries were red herrings all along

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Vesryn
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bbat70 wrote:
GoWeskerMXGT wrote:
Hello everybody, first time writing Wink
I hope you can forgive me but i'm italian and my english can be a little wrong sometimes, so i hope i can explain my theory as well.

I will go straight to the point. I have the big feel that what we have all saw, it's not what really is.

First of all i don't know if you notice, but i don't see on the Twitter page about this last entry. And that i think is really really really strange. We all saw how Jay/Tim have told us things with twitter in those years. And if you add also the fact that Entry 85 ONLY have the youtube link without the "ENTRY #85:" things became to be a little to strange to me.

Second. I think we are all making a big big big mistake about the most important thing in this video. The problem is not this happened, but WHEN happened.
We all think that this entry starts a little AFTER entry 86. But i think all of this is BEFORE Entry 82.
And i think i can explain why.
The last time we saw the mask was in entry 83, and after Hoodie throw it to Tim, he moved her away then they start to run as hell because of TO. In the end of the video he had only the time to grab the pills and the tape before TO appears and he wake up in that field. Then i don't remember to see that mask again before now (if i'm wrong correct me)
My point is that things may have happen like this.
Entry 81 --->
Entry 87 : Tim goes to throw away the mask, Hoodie that is stalking him, recovers it --->
Entry 83 : Hoodie try to give back the mask to Tim

Other strange things to me are :
- No after words after entry 86
- No words from Tim after that and then suddenly this entry WITHOUT anything on Twitter
- That everything is fine just like the TTA vid

It seems to me like there's someone that want us to think that was Tim behind the last 2 entrys.... I have the feeling we have all the info right in front of us, but we can't connect things...

Hope you don't think i'm crazy with all of that ahahah Hope you reply in a good way Razz


I find that putting 87 after 81 is plausible. It is after jay's death, so that explains Tim having his camera, even though that is explained even if it was after 86, but still. And I agree, I feel like it should be Tim behind them, but who knows? Theres no one left to post save jessica, but it seems like he doesn't want her involved anyhow. I find them to be suspicious, the last two entries. Maybe I don't want to accept the fact that this is the end (possibly) but I feel like maybe, if they went with this entry not being chronologically placed and really is after 81 and before 83, there could be another entry. I'm not sure on this one. Everyone has made a lot of good points though. It's a lot to process. But thank you for posting this, another thing to think about imo. And you're not crazy, if you are so am I Very Happy


Well I suppose if you subscribe that there was a third TTA person. And we do have a lot of evidence that Alex is not as good at finishing people off as he thought lol

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:13 pm
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Cioger
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Location: In the darkness before dawn... or something like that.

Didn't Tim say Jess was on the same kind of pills?

What if that bottle at the end was Jess's?

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Vesryn
Boot


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TheOperator wrote:


lonsumtravlr wrote:
Jessica wasn't just some cute chick to be saved (or to be failed) by some dude.


Sorry but I think Jessica was exactly that. Sure, she showed she was smart and not afraid to ask questions in Season 2... then she just disappeared and it was left to Jay to find out what happened to her. Then in Entry #76 we see how brave and capable she is, turning the tables on Alex... then The Operator screws her up minutes later and she just serves as reason for Jay to angst and later somebody for Tim to... sort of save...? Or save and then lie to...? I'm not sure, given there was absolutely no explanation. Jessica had the potential to be more but the plot never let her, as Trospehim wanted their damsel in distress character.


I definitely got the impression that she was just a damsel/plot device, but on second thought it really depends on how she got away, how much she remembers, and what lies Tim did or did not feed her, and what conclusions she reached.

There's the possibility that it was mostly Jay who wanted a damsel and wanted to save someone. I thought it was strange that he cared so much more about trying to find her than say, Amy, or so many other people.

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TheJoker
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Lithp wrote:
Quote:
An ambiguous ending does not automatically improve a series or make it "deep", but it does not necessarily damage it either.


I actually do not agree, I think this is an application of the middleground fallacy.

In what sense can an "ambiguous ending" NOT be a detriment, to some degree? For the record, I'm interpreting "ambiguous ending" to mean what is implied--an ending in which the majority of things go unanswered. If just a few things aren't answered, I wouldn't call that an "ambiguous ending," I would call that a "mostly resolved ending."


I somehow suspect I'm not going to get anywhere trying to argue this one, and there's little point in trying since I'm not completely sure I would defend MH as an example of a well-executed unresolved ending anyway. Sufficient to say, there's been at least one example I've come across in which a significant number of questions went unanswered and yet I didn't feel like it was the result of objectively "bad" writing- in that case it was because said mysteries weren't introduced until halfway into the story anyway and ultimately were not the sole driving force of the plot. In other words, the questions that weren't answered didn't matter enough for it to be a significant detriment (not that I'd have minded too much if they'd answered a little more, though.)

In the case of MH, assuming this was the end, this is less applicable because the mysteries were there from the beginning and drove a lot more of the plot. I would argue that a lot of the truly important questions were answered and that a lot of the questions being discussed are simply being overblown, but I do take some issue with the brand new questions the ending raised. My point wasn't that this is itself an example of good execution, merely that leaving things unresolved is, in my opinion, not objectively "bad" writing.

Also, I think we both misused "ambiguous ending" here- ambiguous endings do not require a majority of questions to go unanswered. Inception qualified as an ambiguous ending (whether or not it was a good one) for the simple reason that one major question was unanswered- was the ending real or not? Similarly, even if they'd spent the season answering most of the questions like the tunnel, the Ark, etc., this entry still has an ambiguous ending in that we don't know whether or not Tim killed Jessica. Ambiguous endings in the traditional sense of the term does not inherently require a significant number of questions to be unanswered.

MarbleHornets wrote:
If they make another horror series after ending it on 87, I will not watch it, that's for sure.

Okay, just for some clarity given the context of this post- do you mean you don't intend to watch their next series period because of your dissatisfaction with this ending, or do you mean you wouldn't watch a sequel series to MH if they were to make that specifically?

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Marble Hornets
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Cioger wrote:
Didn't Tim say Jess was on the same kind of pills?

What if that bottle at the end was Jess's?


She went to the same doctor as Tim. Tim's doctor isn't going to cut him off of his own supply, he doesn't need Jessica's.

The reason the pills being limited was important in the past was because Hoody was stealing them from Tim, and Tim couldn't just ask his doctor for more before he was due for more. Now that nobody is taking from him he is fine to keep getting them regularly.



To the guy above me, both.

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