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[VIDEO] Entry #87
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sp103
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I'm still laughing that Jessica was still alive. The fire of some on this board that she was ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DEAD in her previous appearance must of died when watching #87.

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Xman
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sp103 wrote:
I'm still laughing that Jessica was still alive. The fire of some on this board that she was ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DEAD in her previous appearance must of died when watching #87.

Yeah, hahaha. I was looking at the Entry #76 thread yesterday. I couldn't help but say "get owned" out loud to all of those people who were positive she was dead. Sorry, I don't mean to be a douche to anyone, it was just gratifying.

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OllieRaiden
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So I've been thinking about the pills, and specifically Tim's coughing fit despite being on them. What I'm wondering is if the pills ever worked in the first place or if it all coincided with TO being dormant/ latching onto Alex.
With Alex out of the picture again, and this time completely, it's returned to Tim full force and the pills do nothing to protect him.

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lonsumtravlr
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OllieRaiden wrote:
So I've been thinking about the pills, and specifically Tim's coughing fit despite being on them. What I'm wondering is if the pills ever worked in the first place or if it all coincided with TO being dormant/ latching onto Alex.
With Alex out of the picture again, and this time completely, it's returned to Tim full force and the pills do nothing to protect him.


TO wasn't dormant in Entries #72 and #73, and the pills seem to have had some effect in Entry #86 too. To a point. But it seems that Tim has built up a tolerance.

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samiam
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Was looking at the purported timeline and I realized that if Exit was filled when Entry #13 was filmed and if it was filmed by Hoody/Brian then Brian was already well down the rabbit hole before Alex started attacking people.

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lonsumtravlr
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samiam wrote:
Was looking at the purported timeline and I realized that if Exit was filled when Entry #13 was filmed and if it was filmed by Hoody/Brian then Brian was already well down the rabbit hole before Alex started attacking people.


Yes, but Seth and Tim are more likely candidates for the cameraman.

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samiam wrote:
Was looking at the purported timeline and I realized that if Exit was filled when Entry #13 was filmed and if it was filmed by Hoody/Brian then Brian was already well down the rabbit hole before Alex started attacking people.


hence why i always said seth should have been hoody/totheark, if he was the cameraman he was watching the film before alex did and would have saw the operator


the whole hoody reveal/death was completely rushed, didn't sit well with me at all

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SonicN2O
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I just edited the Wikipedia page...

June 20, 2009-June 20, 2014

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Marble Hornets wrote:
samiam wrote:
Was looking at the purported timeline and I realized that if Exit was filled when Entry #13 was filmed and if it was filmed by Hoody/Brian then Brian was already well down the rabbit hole before Alex started attacking people.


hence why i always said seth should have been hoody/totheark, if he was the cameraman he was watching the film before alex did and would have saw the operator


the whole hoody reveal/death was completely rushed, didn't sit well with me at all


I'm sure it didn't sit well with Brian, either.

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Shockwave
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Its a decent ending. I still wish we found out what the Ark is, but I am in the camp where The Ark is a metaphor for death, which was a means to escape the torment of the Operator. Still doesn't make sense with Decay though, as that is the only issue. If I recall, TTA says "Take me to death. Take me to the ark".

At least the ending is not like Mass Effect 3's.

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Lytrigian
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The real enemy wasn't the Operator. The real enemy, or rather enemies, were the wrong answers about what to do with faced with an overwhelming horror, the nihilism the faceless Operator represents. Everyone but Tim and Jessica got it wrong.

Alex reacted by yielding to it, and giving in to despair. It cause him to first cast off his ambition of becoming a filmmaker, and then one by one ridding himself of his friends. Jay reacted by trying to go it alone. This was a better response, but one that was ultimately doomed. In the end, what did him in despite his good, even heroic intentions was as much his own inability to trust anyone else as it was Alex with a gun. Brian was broken by it. He looked into it, and understood it, even embraced it, but his mind couldn't bear the implications and he was left with only a shell of himself, unable to do anything but seek his own end.

Tim sought help. Perhaps he's the only one who understood that because he was the only one who'd needed it for most of his life, and understood his limitations better than anyone else. Only by facing up to his own inability to cope with it by himself and seeking support elsewhere could he come out from behind his blank mask and really live again. Tim alone is left with choices, and he is free to set his own direction in life again. With Tim's guidance, and carefully shielded from the wrong answers that did the others in, Jessica is the same.

Tim is still afflicted; still aware of the implications of faceless nihilism. But he's not going to allow it to rule him.

That's one way of looking at it. It may be wrong.

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SilentMedusa
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You know, this almost feels like they rushed. Like they went "well, they gave us all this money, and we told them that we'd start shipping out the things they gave us money for in August, and it's mid-June already..." and panicked. And decided they needed and ending- any ending, right freakin' nowOMG!!!

I think this was the closest something like this can come to a happy ending. I have no reason at all to believe Tim attacked Jessica or killed himself after this, except being sadistic enough to not want anyone to have survived. Which is ridiculous; even Hamlet had one survivor.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, this almost feels like they rushed. Like they went "well, they gave us all this money, and we told them that we'd start shipping out the things they gave us money for in August, and it's mid-June already..." and panicked. And decided they needed and ending- any ending, right freakin' nowOMG!!!

I think this was the closest something like this can come to a happy ending. I have no reason at all to believe Tim attacked Jessica or killed himself after this, except being sadistic enough to not want anyone to have survived. Which is ridiculous; even Hamlet had one survivor.



I agree with your first sentence somewhat. But I don't think it's because of the Kickstarter.

It's more because of the unfortunate incidents in Wisconsin and that other place, but it's really not because of those either.

It's because at the end of five years that were originally supposed to be one, maybe two, then two, then OK, THREE, then... wait... four? Four. Four, or five. Five. (Five?) FIVE! when this project blew up beyond their expectations and got sidetracked many times (and, oh yeah, the stabbings, and thank God the media wasn't more obstructive here), and that they have other projects they want to do, that they needed to end it. I think they really did the best job they could given all the circumstances. I see no lack of creativity or talent here. I see three guys who painted themselves into a small corner and had to make a break for it even if the floor wasn't fully dry. That and no one wants to be typecast--even though probably for the rest of their lives they'll be Jay, Alex, and Tim to many fans. (Even to the ones who've stopped following them because they think Entry #87 "sucked" for some reason.)

I really don't think it had to do with the money at all, although I'm pretty sure they want to honor the Kickstarter promises on the tightest possible schedule.

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lonsumtravlr
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SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, this almost feels like they rushed.


Also, don't you think the seemingly rushed quality of the episode heightens the tension and the drama in the entry, because it mirrors the urgency and anxiety that Tim must himself have been feeling? I bet he edited it in a hurry, posted it, and then XXX (by which I don't necessarily mean that he died, at some other's hand or at his own, but that he disappeared and terminated the updates). He probably just wants it done. I bet he even destroys the camera.

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Lithp
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I somehow suspect I'm not going to get anywhere trying to argue this one, and there's little point in trying since I'm not completely sure I would defend MH as an example of a well-executed unresolved ending anyway.


I think I see what you're saying. It's only when important questions go unanswered that it's a big deal. So my "majority of questions" metric was right shit, since a billion unimportant things could go unanswered & have no effect on anything. But if I changed "question" to "important question," but left the wording of my argument otherwise the same, I wonder if that would correct it?

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