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SilentMedusa
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 		Hey guys, I just thought of something else. With this entry in mind, go back and watch #77 again. In Tim's little speech to Jay about Jessica he's doing two things simultaneously: he's bare-faced lying about knowing what happened to her, and explaining why he's lying.

Because let's face it. Jay would never have accepted that Jessica was alive and safe without seeing her with his own eyes, and since he was clearly addicted to filming everything he did, he would have done exactly what Tim said he'd do.

So TTA was right; Tim was a liar. But he was lying to protect the only innocent person still alive in this mess, so I'd say he was justified.

And since we're stating headcannons, in mine Tim had a bad coughing fit that showed he'd struggle with this for the rest of his life, but he will live.[/i] He said his goodbyes to Jessica, an left town (and possibly the state) for good. Our window into his life is closed, but his life will continue without us.

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onetruepurple wrote:
He meant that it would be a readily apparent, obvious ending. Which this entry was.


To some people, maybe. As I've said, I still have a feeling there's more to come.

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Malckeor wrote:
onetruepurple wrote:
He meant that it would be a readily apparent, obvious ending. Which this entry was.


To some people, maybe. As I've said, I still have a feeling there's more to come.


I believe the guys have said 87 was the finale at the convention they're at, though, didn't they? Unless that's since been disproven. But if it hasn't, they'd have no reason to lie about that.

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OllieRaiden wrote:
I believe the guys have said 87 was the finale at the convention they're at, though, didn't they? Unless that's since been disproven. But if it hasn't, they'd have no reason to lie about that.


Some random guy on Tumblr stated that they said this. That's not really a valid-enough source for me. I apologize if I'm coming off like a frustratingly stubborn turkey, but until Troy makes a blog post about 87 being the end, I'm holding on to my feeling that there's going to be one more.

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 		Add to me to the pile of people creating an account for the end. Long time lurker who came in midway of season 2.

Great series and if this is the end, which I'm unsure of, it is an ok ending. They didn't explain anything about the Operator, but I didn't really expect them to. We did get good character arcs for Jay, Alex, and Tim. Jessica being alive is something I can take or leave. It doesn't really matter to me.

The only disappointment I can take away is a lack of explanation of Brian/Hoody's actions (especially toward the end) and what the heck was "TotheArk" really about. Hopefully, the next DVD will have a professional commentary that explains what is going on and not just ramblings.

Even though I didn't know everyone here I really appreciated your posts. It was gratifying seeing posts that lined up with exactly what I thought, posts that showed me what I missed, and posts that made me think about something another way.

I won't believe its over until Troy posts something! So still holding out hope for an entry that will wrap EVERYTHING up.

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 		Re-watching Season 3. Thought Jay and Tim's conversation from 63 was interesting:

Quote:
JAY: I need to find out what happened to Jessica!
TIM: Do you have any idea how long it's been since you've seen Jessica?
JAY: For a while!
TIM: It's been a year and a half!
JAY: I know.
TIM: That's a long time!
JAY: I know.
TIM: Do you know where she is? Do you know if she's even still alive??
JAY: I just want to find out what happened to her! Maybe it can help us if I know if she's alive or dead! It's kind of my fault that she's in this mess in the first place!
TIM: OK. Yeah, yeah! We've got a bigger problem to deal with right now. There's somebody out there who's an immediate threat to both of us!
JAY: Someone who's probably watching us right now, now that you mention it!
TIM: ProbabLY! They know where I live! We need to deal with it right now, and if we do that, then, sure, I'll help you find Jessica. Whatever it is I've gotta do…deal?
JAY: …yeah. If it'll get you to help me, fine.
TIM: I don't really have much of a choice, do I?
JAY: …Guess not.


Tim has only now revealed to us that Jessica is alive, because now Alex is dead. In this entry, Tim mentions he doesn't want to focus on finding Jessica (presumably he knows where she is anyway), because they need to focus on getting rid of Hoody. Then, in 64, and again in 67, they learn that Alex is alive. The question is, does this mean that Tim would have shown Jessica to Jay at this point if Jay had lived this long?

I've decided I also want to examine Tim's speech to Jay in 77. I've split the speech into to halves.

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[2:07] Jay: You're a liar. You had that tape for how long and you never told me.
[2:10] Tim: It was in my jacket pocket the day we both woke up next to that shack in Rosswood. I've had it ever since. And this? This is exactly why I haven't shown it to you yet.
[2:20] Jay: What are you talking about?
[2:21] Tim: I knew if you saw it now, you'd blame me for Jessica disappearing and that would make finding Alex even harder.
[2:26] Jay: Just tell me where she is.
[2:27] Tim: I don't know any more than you do. I don't even remember the parts that were on that tape. You should know that!
[2:35] Jay: I don't believe you.


Jay is oddly correct to not believe Tim when he says he doesn't know where Jessica is. Tim is totally lying. Besides that, this part of the speech isn't really about Tim knowing Jessica is alive at all. He literally hid the tape because he didn't want Jay thinking that he was responsible, which would interfere with them finding Alex. So if Jay had survived Alex's death, Tim very well may have shown Jay eventually.

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[2:38] Tim: Well, you're going to have to, okay, because the way I see it there's two possibilities. One, she is dead, in which case there is nothing we can do.
[2:44] Jay: It wouldn't be my fault!
[2:45] Tim: Two, she is still alive and if she is, we cannot go anywhere near her, especially not you! You could be followed, or you could show where she is on your camera or something like that and she would get dragged into this all over again.
[2:58] Video and audio distortion.
[3:00] Jay: But if she's alive out there, she could need our help!
[3:01] Tim: She has to be dead to us regardless, Jay! We need to be focused on finding Alex because he is the one who's actually responsible for all this. Blaming me isn't going to do anything!


This half is entirely about Tim knowing Jessica is alive. Here, Tim explains that he believes they shouldn't be looking for Jessica at all, or they could have shown where she was on their camera, and then put it on YouTube and she could be in danger. Once again, Alex needed to die in 86 for him to put this on YouTube.

Of course, once Alex and Brian were dead, it actually wouldn't matter if Jay showed where she was on his camera, so this supports the idea that Tim would have eventually told Jay, just like he promises in 63.
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 		You know, some of our unanswered questions (or, at least information on TØ) could possibly be answered in the upcoming movie. They may, although it's more unlikely, be answered in the Season 3 commentary.
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 		I don't know if it's been said before, but does anyone think maybe Tim W. started smoking to cover up the fact that he was Operator-sick? Like, he didn't want everyone to know his horrible secret, who would believe it anyway, so he was able to blame his terrible coughing fits on smoking too much, if anyone asked?
Just thinkin' about Tim's character. Already missin' him. *sigh*

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 		God how I miss just being in the state of perpetually wondering what's going to happen next to Jay Hoodie Tim and Alex in Marble Hornets

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DHawk314 wrote:
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[3:01] Tim: She has to be dead to us regardless, Jay! We need to be focused on finding Alex because he is the one who's actually responsible for all this. Blaming me isn't going to do anything!


This half is entirely about Tim knowing Jessica is alive. Here, Tim explains that he believes they shouldn't be looking for Jessica at all, or they could have shown where she was on their camera, and then put it on YouTube and she could be in danger. Once again, Alex needed to die in 86 for him to put this on YouTube.

This bit also highlights the way that Tim can accurately say that "Alex is responsible for all this" whilst also believing that he himself was the original vector for the Operator contagion. Tim was (unconsciously) responsible for the Operator outbreak, but Alex's murder campaign is what's responsible for the way things have actually panned out. Alex is responsible for Jessica being dragged in because if he hadn't killed Amy and she'd still been around Jay would never have had a reason to contact Jessica, and more importantly Alex is responsible for creating a situation where Jay can't be allowed to know that Jessica is alive because the combination of his compulsive filming and his rank incompetence would lead Alex directly to her.

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elford wrote:
I don't know if it's been said before, but does anyone think maybe Tim W. started smoking to cover up the fact that he was Operator-sick? Like, he didn't want everyone to know his horrible secret, who would believe it anyway, so he was able to blame his terrible coughing fits on smoking too much, if anyone asked?
Just thinkin' about Tim's character. Already missin' him. *sigh*


Never thought of that, though I was just thinking right before reading your post about how odd it was that Tim had started smoking again in an entry in which he has a mighty coughing fit.

EDIT: sorry--good on you for making that connection.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
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[3:01] Tim: She has to be dead to us regardless, Jay! We need to be focused on finding Alex because he is the one who's actually responsible for all this. Blaming me isn't going to do anything!


This half is entirely about Tim knowing Jessica is alive. Here, Tim explains that he believes they shouldn't be looking for Jessica at all, or they could have shown where she was on their camera, and then put it on YouTube and she could be in danger. Once again, Alex needed to die in 86 for him to put this on YouTube.

This bit also highlights the way that Tim can accurately say that "Alex is responsible for all this" whilst also believing that he himself was the original vector for the Operator contagion. Tim was (unconsciously) responsible for the Operator outbreak, but Alex's murder campaign is what's responsible for the way things have actually panned out. Alex is responsible for Jessica being dragged in because if he hadn't killed Amy and she'd still been around Jay would never have had a reason to contact Jessica, and more importantly Alex is responsible for creating a situation where Jay can't be allowed to know that Jessica is alive because the combination of his compulsive filming and his rank incompetence would lead Alex directly to her.



I guess it's "rank incompetence," but I don't think it's out of idiocy. I've posted before (I think on this thread) that Jay strikes me as having clinical depression and maybe OCD. They can numb you so that you appear pretty dim to others, when intellectual capacity has nothing to do with it.

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 		How about this for a theory:

After Alex has been wounded, the Operator does what is always does: prepared to abduct the victim in his weakened state.

However, this instance is unique in that the victim was TO's "host" ever since it jumped from Tim to Alex. So what does it do? It "jumps" back to Tim as its host, abducts the now-useless Alex to feed on, and continues to stalk Tim. It's at this point that, under TO influence, Tim blacks out and savages Alex's body, finishing the job.

Then, when he goes to see Jessica, hoping to move past everything, the same thing happens. TO shows up, coughing fit commences, Tim loses control under the influence of TO and attacks Jessica. This is substantiated by the sound of sirens, as this incident involved human vs human assault, and it's possible there were witnesses considering the location of the uattack.

So Tim drives off grimly realizing now how much of a danger he is to everyone around him. The ending is still ambiguois but my theory is that he can either kill himself, and hope TO is unable to find a new host, or literally live the rest of his life in isolation, fear, misery, and constant paranoia. For all intents and purposes, everyone involved ended up dead, or close enough.

Highly disturbing ending. The final question they've left us to ponder is whether or not the viewership of MH has a chance to acquire the curse from watching the events and thus exposing ourselves to the curse. Creepy stuff.

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 		Why did tim have the coughing fit then thats my question

Inglorion wrote:

Highly disturbing ending. The final question they've left us to ponder is whether or not the viewership of MH has a chance to acquire the curse from watching the events and thus exposing ourselves to the curse. Creepy stuff.


indeed. we're the hundreds/thousands?

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I guess my biggest gripe besides Jessica still being alive after entry 76 being completely unbelievable due to Alex's mission, is that they introduced a few things in late season 3 that they just abandoned or never elaborated on. The whole shifting around of Rosswood, Alex being able to control where he is teleported to (seen in 67 with brian's body), the significance of the college, why the operator didn't let tim see hoody's face, etc

This is what pisses me off. Stuff like this is just left up in the air. Like why does Alex have Operator abilities? I assume this is because him and the Operator are in an alliance, like we all inferred back in Season 2. I guess the Operator was like "Want to escape my torment? The only option is death, but first, you must kill the others affected by me. Don't worry about the bodies, I got that covered. Oh, and you can visit the bodies in my realm whenever you want, like if you want to show a body to a friend or something lol. And yeah, once your done with that, I guess you can just kill yourself. Have fun."

And the college is pretty much just "well, we needed a new location, so yeah here we go." Never once an explanation or hint of any significance it has. At least the burned down hospital had some meaning with Tim's history and all.

Marble Hornets wrote:
It really boils down to "if you take these pills the operator won't bother you anymore ever again as long as someone else who is affected and not takin the pills isn't nearby. and even if you don't take the pills, the operator won't kill you anyway, you'll just lose your memory and cough up blood every once in a while.

Yeah, exactly. The Operator is a disease that people really don't want, and instead of battling against it, the end premise is "lol kill yourself and it'll go away" or "take some pills and don't be near other people who have been affected by him." That's it.

Like I said before, I always thought there was more to the story than that, but I guess I was just kind of fooling myself.

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