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SilentMedusa · Entrenched Joined: 04 Jul 2013 Posts: 904

My personal favorite is more subtle. Way back at the beginning of season 3/end of season 2 Jay was poking around the antique store, which was closed. Afterward, there was a TTA vid of Jay, from behind as he was poking around. While everyone else was freaking out about who could have been filming Jay since he would've noticed Tim/Masky, one person went back and looked at Jay's entry. And then posted a zoomed-in screen shot of Jay's reflection in the window -which also showed Hoody over his shoulder in the background. I still get chills when I think of that.

**Posted:** Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:34 pm

Avrielle_Aniko · Boot Joined: 17 Jun 2014 Posts: 21

SilentMedusa - I remember that, but I could never see the reflection of Hoody. Could someone maybe find that screen shot again?

**Posted:** Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:11 pm

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**Posted:** Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:23 pm

aidansean · Unfettered Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 495

This one?

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:56 am

Lithp · I Have No Life Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Posts: 2058

Where is Hoody? Is he that brown splotch? And how would Jay not turn around & see that?

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:02 am

aidansean · Unfettered Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 495

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:10 am

Lithp · I Have No Life Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Posts: 2058

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:37 am

aidansean · Unfettered Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 495

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:00 am

Lithp · I Have No Life Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Posts: 2058

Okay, let's back up & go through that piece by piece.

1. Jay didn't even acknowledge seeing someone near him, even though that guy was literally in plain sight. This is quite a bit different from "I saw someone, but I didn't think it was significant."

2. Exactly, Jay has approached a guy in a brown hoody who appeared to be following him before. So it's not absurd to suggest that he would be on the lookout for Hoody.

3. It's only awkward because Jay is dumb, which is exactly what I am criticizing. It's as easy as saying, "Sorry, I thought you were someone else," & then walking off.

4. Again, the point raised was "how the fuck did Jay not notice this guy," not "stopping to check everyone on the street," or even "stopping to check that clearly suspicious guy in the hoody." If that's even what that is. I still just see a splotch. But, if it is Hoody, he'd be lurking around in broad daylight with a mask & as far as we know, he uses predominantly handheld camcorders. That would be pretty conspicuous in that setting.

5. Jay didn't ever really do shit, so he probably would have gotten better results if he spent more time trying to find Hoody. Such as living.

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:32 am

aidansean · Unfettered Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 495

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:24 am

Avrielle_Aniko · Boot Joined: 17 Jun 2014 Posts: 21

Thanks for the screen grab aidansean! Very Happy

Avoiding the current debate... I can see Hoody now in the background. Dunno how I couldn't see it before. Maybe my old computer screen was too dark or something for me to see it properly. I missed a few things in the series because of that computer monitor! Lol!

On an unrelated note... What do you reckon this says? I always thought it said "Jay r" with a cross over it, and questioned if it was intentional rather than just a bit of graffiti. Kinda like all those papers with names crossed out by Alex. But looking at it again now, I'm not so sure...

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:10 am

Dacad · Veteran Joined: 25 Oct 2013 Posts: 121

In regards to why Jay didn't notice Hoody, it's possible Hoody booked right after that one shot. Hoody might also have been unmasked at that point with a somewhat altered appearance (grew a beard, sunglasses, etc) so that Brian wouldn't be recognized at a distance.

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:03 am

rkmobius · Boot Joined: 07 Dec 2013 Posts: 32

Jay also barely talks about or even explicitly acknowledges a tall malevolent extradimensional being in a suit who either hides in plain sight or stalks him and others in the videos he posted.

Usually it's a passing reference to "that thing" instead of "what the hell was that oh my god why is it stalking us what is it what does it do what does it want i'm so scared hold me" like most people probably would say.

So it's not surprising that he doesn't point out "hey, also there was this guy in a sweatshirt holding something a hundred feet away." Jay didn't really react to things or talk about them like a normal person would.

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:45 am

SilentMedusa · Entrenched Joined: 04 Jul 2013 Posts: 904

I think Jay honestly didn't notice him, because at the time he was looking in the store windows trying to figure the place out, not looking at his reflection.

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:11 pm

Lithp · I Have No Life Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Posts: 2058

1. When the Totheark video was released, even if Jay hadn't remembered, it would have made sense to look back & see if there was someone who could have been filming him.

2. So the fact that Jay has already confronted someone under suspicion of being ToTheArk once proves that he wouldn't do it again? Yeah, no.

3 & 4. Okay, fine, technically, Jay could have conceivably not noticed Totheark walking around in broad daylight, & maybe there was no one else around to gawk at Hoody & clue Jay in that something weird was going on, but that's really contrived, & Point 1 would still stand.

5. We're not talking about Rule of Drama or every other scene where someone didn't see something. I wasn't even planning to have an argument about this, but if you're going to insist on proving that it actually makes sense, stick to that subject.

**Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:15 pm