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Hazman
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Shockwave wrote:
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Days later, I still don't know how I feel about this ending. Seasons 1 and 2 both had extremely impactful final entries, and this one was strangely...not. I get the feeling that Jessica being alive was supposed to be some huge reveal, but I didn't really feel it. If anything else was revealed, I must have missed it.

I feel like by killing off Jay and Brian before the finale, they kind of created a situation where the ending would HAVE to feel boring. Imagine if they killed off Walt in the fourth-to-last episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't really work, does it?

I love Tim and everything, and his acting is some of the best in the series, but to me, it doesn't make sense to kill off the main character before the climax has happened.

Overall, season 2 is still my favorite. It's expertly written with little filler, and everything comes together so perfectly in the end.


SPOILERS MAN, I was just about to start up Breaking Bad.


So was I. Evil or Very Mad

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I didn't say he died, I was just using it as an example since it's the first show that came to mind


Well the way you worded it makes it sound like he dies.

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Spritey wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Days later, I still don't know how I feel about this ending. Seasons 1 and 2 both had extremely impactful final entries, and this one was strangely...not. I get the feeling that Jessica being alive was supposed to be some huge reveal, but I didn't really feel it. If anything else was revealed, I must have missed it.

I feel like by killing off Jay and Brian before the finale, they kind of created a situation where the ending would HAVE to feel boring. Imagine if they killed off Walt in the fourth-to-last episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't really work, does it?

I love Tim and everything, and his acting is some of the best in the series, but to me, it doesn't make sense to kill off the main character before the climax has happened.

Overall, season 2 is still my favorite. It's expertly written with little filler, and everything comes together so perfectly in the end.


SPOILERS MAN, I was just about to start up Breaking Bad.


I didn't say he died, I was just using it as an example since it's the first show that came to mind


Still, don't do stuff like that to people who haven't seen a show like Breaking Bad yet or plan to.

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Lithp
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 		I fail to see what is scary about plot holes. What are they going to do, swallow me up?

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It wasn't framed as a mystery in terms of the questions people seem to want answered. Jay never said he was trying to do anything beyond finding people who seemed to be missing. We know what happened to all of them. That mystery is solved.


First of all, if they created 9 hours of content just for 1 question, they're doing something very wrong. Second, if this is true, they shouldn't invent shit to sound deep & mysterious that ultimately means fuck-all, like The Ark. Third of all, even THAT was completely underwhelming. If they're going to focus everything on that 1 mystery, they should go balls-out, not just show a bunch of characters once or twice & then offscreen them.

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Plus it just allows for alternate interpretation, which I just don't think is a bad thing. I think we just think it's a bad thing because we have a boner for "getting answers." Maybe that's not our fault, maybe that's the fault of the writers, but honestly, I just don't think centering around our question boner was ever the nature of the series.


I think it's because that's how a story is supposed to work. Replacing it with interpretation is what fanficition is for. If you're going for "it's up to your interpretation," might as well say that from the outset so I can stop watching & not let any answers spoil my pure imagination.

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Jordan
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Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Days later, I still don't know how I feel about this ending. Seasons 1 and 2 both had extremely impactful final entries, and this one was strangely...not. I get the feeling that Jessica being alive was supposed to be some huge reveal, but I didn't really feel it. If anything else was revealed, I must have missed it.

I feel like by killing off Jay and Brian before the finale, they kind of created a situation where the ending would HAVE to feel boring. Imagine if they killed off Walt in the fourth-to-last episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't really work, does it?

I love Tim and everything, and his acting is some of the best in the series, but to me, it doesn't make sense to kill off the main character before the climax has happened.

Overall, season 2 is still my favorite. It's expertly written with little filler, and everything comes together so perfectly in the end.


SPOILERS MAN, I was just about to start up Breaking Bad.


I didn't say he died, I was just using it as an example since it's the first show that came to mind


Still, don't do stuff like that to people who haven't seen a show like Breaking Bad yet or plan to.


To be fair, the show was BIG. Not just among film/TV ethusanists, but it entered the public conciousness in a huge way and was a huge talking point for a lot of people I know. It's kind of hard not to run into spoilers for it in everyday life.

If it was a more obscure series, like Dollhouse or Pushing Daisies for instance, I could understand or popular shows which have not yet aired in international markets yet (someone tell me Legend of Korra spoilers and I'll give you to The Operator Sad), I'd get it, but well, when a series is just that big of a pop culture juggernaunt, it's hard to step out of it's way.

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Jordan wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Days later, I still don't know how I feel about this ending. Seasons 1 and 2 both had extremely impactful final entries, and this one was strangely...not. I get the feeling that Jessica being alive was supposed to be some huge reveal, but I didn't really feel it. If anything else was revealed, I must have missed it.

I feel like by killing off Jay and Brian before the finale, they kind of created a situation where the ending would HAVE to feel boring. Imagine if they killed off Walt in the fourth-to-last episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't really work, does it?

I love Tim and everything, and his acting is some of the best in the series, but to me, it doesn't make sense to kill off the main character before the climax has happened.

Overall, season 2 is still my favorite. It's expertly written with little filler, and everything comes together so perfectly in the end.


SPOILERS MAN, I was just about to start up Breaking Bad.


I didn't say he died, I was just using it as an example since it's the first show that came to mind


Still, don't do stuff like that to people who haven't seen a show like Breaking Bad yet or plan to.


To be fair, the show ran for - what - the last five years and this site is filled with film/TV ethusaists, it's not completly unexpected that it might come up in conversation. Hell, the show penetrated pop culture conciousness in a huge way and was a huge talking point outside film/TV ethusasisits, I'm suprised that you have managed to avoid spoilers for so long.


I never really cared for Breaking Bad during its first few years. But I saw its popularity over time and I thought "Why not" and it son Netflix so I can watch it all at once. I didn't look for spoilers b/c I didn't even bother looking up the show.

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Jordan
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Shockwave wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
Spritey wrote:
Days later, I still don't know how I feel about this ending. Seasons 1 and 2 both had extremely impactful final entries, and this one was strangely...not. I get the feeling that Jessica being alive was supposed to be some huge reveal, but I didn't really feel it. If anything else was revealed, I must have missed it.

I feel like by killing off Jay and Brian before the finale, they kind of created a situation where the ending would HAVE to feel boring. Imagine if they killed off Walt in the fourth-to-last episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't really work, does it?

I love Tim and everything, and his acting is some of the best in the series, but to me, it doesn't make sense to kill off the main character before the climax has happened.

Overall, season 2 is still my favorite. It's expertly written with little filler, and everything comes together so perfectly in the end.


SPOILERS MAN, I was just about to start up Breaking Bad.


I didn't say he died, I was just using it as an example since it's the first show that came to mind


Still, don't do stuff like that to people who haven't seen a show like Breaking Bad yet or plan to.


To be fair, the show ran for - what - the last five years and this site is filled with film/TV ethusaists, it's not completly unexpected that it might come up in conversation. Hell, the show penetrated pop culture conciousness in a huge way and was a huge talking point outside film/TV ethusasisits, I'm suprised that you have managed to avoid spoilers for so long.


I never really cared for Breaking Bad during its first few years. But I saw its popularity over time and I thought "Why not" and it son Netflix so I can watch it all at once. I didn't look for spoilers b/c I didn't even bother looking up the show.


Huh, but it was kind of a huge thing, I'm suprised you've remained unspoiled as you are Smile

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Plus it just allows for alternate interpretation, which I just don't think is a bad thing. I think we just think it's a bad thing because we have a boner for "getting answers." Maybe that's not our fault, maybe that's the fault of the writers, but honestly, I just don't think centering around our question boner was ever the nature of the series.


I think it's because that's how a story is supposed to work. Replacing it with interpretation is what fanficition is for. If you're going for "it's up to your interpretation," might as well say that from the outset so I can stop watching & not let any answers spoil my pure imagination.


Wow, it's almost like you didn't read any of my post up to that point. My point wasn't to excuse Marble Hornets not answering questions point blank. But when it comes to questions like, why did Alex give Jay the tapes, we got an answer. It was left slightly ambiguous whether or not it was the right answer, to allow for alternate interpretation, plus for other reasons I mentioned.

I find that in mysteries the protagonists often don't find the answer concretely, but pick up clues and make deductions which are then expressed as their own theories through exposition. This means things are left slightly ambiguous, but that's a regular story tool regardless.

When I say we have a boner for questions being answered concretely and that it makes us slightly out of touch, I'm referring to people saying stuff like say, Alex giving Jay the tapes was never answered. It was answered, but we're so obsessed with some kind concrete answer that people missed it. That's not understanding "how a story is supposed to work".

But I get it, you wanted to know more about totheark. I understand that. It was a mysterious plot point, that makes it intriguing. But, I understand why shit about him wasn't spelled out. Frankly, the ark was almost never mentioned outside that channel, and that channel was an optional channel mostly there to include some arg aspect. Hoody's character could have used some expansion, but then, the story was never about him. He played a certain role, and we got a broad explanation of what he was trying to do. He was manipulating Tim and Jay to get to Alex to get revenge on him for Entry #51.

Besides that, wearing a mask, acting illogically and leaving cryptic messages are all symptoms we see in Tim, Alex, and Jay over the course of the series due to the Operator. I think Tim was right in Entry #86 when he said he was a husk of a person. Those symptoms became him over time. Could that have standed some more explanation? Absolutely. But I think acting like it's as big a plot hole as some people are acting like it is out of touch. Of the four main characters, Brian was the least important by far, but he was the one we focused on the most. That's why I say our question boner made us out of touch.
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 		I'm late and seem to have missed something,SO endling confirmed?
Can someone link me to proof please?
Also,if it really was, disappointment isn't even close to what i feel Mad

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Jordan
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pestoner wrote:
I'm late and seem to have missed something,SO endling confirmed?
Can someone link me to proof please?
Also,if it really was, disappointment isn't even close to what i feel Mad


It does seem to be the ending. I admit, it doesn't quite work for me, but I do get the sentiments it was trying to express Sad

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DHawk314 wrote:
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Plus it just allows for alternate interpretation, which I just don't think is a bad thing. I think we just think it's a bad thing because we have a boner for "getting answers." Maybe that's not our fault, maybe that's the fault of the writers, but honestly, I just don't think centering around our question boner was ever the nature of the series.


I think it's because that's how a story is supposed to work. Replacing it with interpretation is what fanficition is for. If you're going for "it's up to your interpretation," might as well say that from the outset so I can stop watching & not let any answers spoil my pure imagination.


Wow, it's almost like you didn't read any of my post up to that point. My point wasn't to excuse Marble Hornets not answering questions point blank. But when it comes to questions like, why did Alex give Jay the tapes, we got an answer. It was left slightly ambiguous whether or not it was the right answer, to allow for alternate interpretation, plus for other reasons I mentioned.

I find that in mysteries the protagonists often don't find the answer concretely, but pick up clues and make deductions which are then expressed as their own theories through exposition. This means things are left slightly ambiguous, but that's a regular story tool regardless.

When I say we have a boner for questions being answered concretely and that it makes us slightly out of touch, I'm referring to people saying stuff like say, Alex giving Jay the tapes was never answered. It was answered, but we're so obsessed with some kind concrete answer that people missed it. That's not understanding "how a story is supposed to work".

But I get it, you wanted to know more about totheark. I understand that. It was a mysterious plot point, that makes it intriguing. But, I understand why shit about him wasn't spelled out. Frankly, the ark was almost never mentioned outside that channel, and that channel was an optional channel mostly there to include some arg aspect. Hoody's character could have used some expansion, but then, the story was never about him. He played a certain role, and we got a broad explanation of what he was trying to do. He was manipulating Tim and Jay to get to Alex to get revenge on him for Entry #51.

Besides that, wearing a mask, acting illogically and leaving cryptic messages are all symptoms we see in Tim, Alex, and Jay over the course of the series due to the Operator. I think Tim was right in Entry #86 when he said he was a husk of a person. Those symptoms became him over time. Could that have standed some more explanation? Absolutely. But I think acting like it's as big a plot hole as some people are acting like it is out of touch. Of the four main characters, Brian was the least important by far, but he was the one we focused on the most. That's why I say our question boner made us out of touch.


I'm okay with the lack of reveal about the ark, personally. Yes, it could have been a delusion of Brian's, making his manipulation of Tim all the more sadder (after all, he'd held himself together to help protect Tim, of course a solution was in sight Sad) or the knowledge died with Brian, adding to the tension of these ordinary people held in the thrall of something they can't and probably never will understand.

But, maybe, Tim paying a last visit to Brian's shack only to find it burnt down by Alex, with only a single scrap of paper left saying 'Ark is..' or a corrupted tape beyond repair to the same effect might have been a lot more satisfying to the audience. The ark and the channel was mentionced back in season one and should have been more in play with the narrative, particularly in endgame then it was.

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Wow, it's almost like you didn't read any of my post up to that point.


I did, I just don't agree with any of it. Literally, where you say, "We got an answer for Alex giving Jay the tapes," I just see your speculation.

And it's more than just Totheark. At this point, the list of unanswered questions is as vast as space & as timeless as infinity.

Also, I literally mention fanfiction in some context every single time someone says that "interpret the answers" thing. Because it just makes absolutely no sense to watch a series, especially a long one, & not want to know what happens.

Off-topic: Someone mentioned Legend of Korra: It premiered tonight, if you aren't aware.

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But I get it, you wanted to know more about totheark. I understand that. It was a mysterious plot point, that makes it intriguing. But, I understand why shit about him wasn't spelled out. Frankly, the ark was almost never mentioned outside that channel, and that channel was an optional channel mostly there to include some arg aspect. Hoody's character could have used some expansion, but then, the story was never about him. He played a certain role, and we got a broad explanation of what he was trying to do. He was manipulating Tim and Jay to get to Alex to get revenge on him for Entry #51.


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Besides that, wearing a mask, acting illogically and leaving cryptic messages are all symptoms we see in Tim, Alex, and Jay over the course of the series due to the Operator. I think Tim was right in Entry #86 when he said he was a husk of a person. Those symptoms became him over time. Could that have standed some more explanation? Absolutely. But I think acting like it's as big a plot hole as some people are acting like it is out of touch. Of the four main characters, Brian was the least important by far, but he was the one we focused on the most. That's why I say our question boner made us out of touch.


Well I don't think it is that illogical. Part of it is how we all hyped it up and that is our fault for years of rampant speculation. When Troy said that someone can enjoy MH without ever watching the Totheark channel we should have realized it was a bit piece.

However, it became clear after season 1 that Totheark was starting to become part of the story. And "Find Alex, Find the Ark," pops up in the main storyline of the MH channel.

To have that explained away as "Brian was a husk of a person," is just weak. And it's not illogical to point that out. It was a weak ending to a great character and was a waste of time. For how much Hoody mattered in the end, he might as well not have been in the series at all.

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Jordan wrote:
pestoner wrote:
I'm late and seem to have missed something,SO endling confirmed?
Can someone link me to proof please?
Also,if it really was, disappointment isn't even close to what i feel Mad


It does seem to be the ending. I admit, it doesn't quite work for me, but I do get the sentiments it was trying to express Sad



Someone said something about being told it's over via email/Kickstarter/whatever..
So much about "you'll know when it's over"
I just saw that the link to #87 was finally posted on the twitter today,and decided to check out whats going on here,just to find all these ending threads.
So THIS is supposed to be the end?
Jessica,coughing fit,driving footage and "EVERYTHING IS FINE kthxbye!" ???
WHERE ARE THE 100+ ANSWERS YOU PROMISED TO GIVE US?

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Wow, it's almost like you didn't read any of my post up to that point.


I did, I just don't agree with any of it. Literally, where you say, "We got an answer for Alex giving Jay the tapes," I just see your speculation.

And it's more than just Totheark. At this point, the list of unanswered questions is as vast as space & as timeless as infinity.

Also, I literally mention fanfiction in some context every single time someone says that "interpret the answers" thing. Because it just makes absolutely no sense to watch a series, especially a long one, & not want to know what happens.

Off-topic: Someone mentioned Legend of Korra: It premiered tonight, if you aren't aware.


But not in my country, sadly Sad

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Wow, it's almost like you didn't read any of my post up to that point.


I did, I just don't agree with any of it. Literally, where you say, "We got an answer for Alex giving Jay the tapes," I just see your speculation.

And it's more than just Totheark. At this point, the list of unanswered questions is as vast as space & as timeless as infinity.

Also, I literally mention fanfiction in some context every single time someone says that "interpret the answers" thing. Because it just makes absolutely no sense to watch a series, especially a long one, & not want to know what happens.

Off-topic: Someone mentioned Legend of Korra: It premiered tonight, if you aren't aware.


None of it was my speculation, it was Tim and Jay's "speculation" IG. And you wonder why I doubt that you read the post? But screw it this isn't worth arguing over anymore.
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