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Did Tim Kill Jessica?

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Lithp
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I can't really prove anything since these events were left ambiguous, but I do believe that the established canon supports my theory.


This is good enough for me. Just as long as you're not like "lol you're wrong" when there's not actually any way to definitively make that statement.

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Not to be a jerk, but with so much ambiguity there is very little that i feel is established as a fact. I think it you started a thread and tried to establish what is fact you would still end up with a ton a valid arguments against it because very little has been out and out confirmed.


Yep. The only thing I'm really comfortable saying for sure is that Tim is wrong about being able to block out The Operator. Because it literally teleports him right after he downs his pills. Either that grants a minimal level of resistance, The Operator is becoming immune to it, or they were just straight up a red herring.

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Blackout_2014
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Yep. The only thing I'm really comfortable saying for sure is that Tim is wrong about being able to block out The Operator. Because it literally teleports him right after he downs his pills. Either that grants a minimal level of resistance, The Operator is becoming immune to it, or they were just straight up a red herring.


I don't think Tim could ever block the operator out. But I do think he could manage the operator better than anyone else.

Leaving out the speculation about episode 86 and if the operator caused Tim to kill Alex, I do think him resisting the operator in entry 72 is something that no other character pulled of before or after.

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Lithp
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 		I don't know, The Operator has a tendency to just piss off of the scene for no apparent reason.

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device
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 		I truly don't think he would take Alex's suggestion to kill others to fix the situation. After all, Alex was being "operated"... his desire to kill was not his own. He was only rationalizing it, because he couldn't cope with it otherwise... and Tim point this out to Alex when he's being strangled.

I think Tim didn't realize that his drugs aren't foolproof.

He came to say goodby, thinking she was safe, and accidently brings the Operator to her. It seems pretty straightforward. The distortion, the coughing, the frames with Jess looking UP with a look of horror. The sirens. It's likely that Tim doesn't even remember that it happened at all. After all, did he even watch the video before he posts it? We will never know.

I don't know why people say it didn't happen because there is no sign of struggle... all it would take is one good stab, when she's not expecting it. Or maybe, he now has Alex's gun.

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Moloch
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 		I belive he killed her and himself...

If not I see these problems:

Did anyone revisit the theory of cam's beeing the operators anchor or eys in our reality? (As entry #26 did make me belive)?
In that case capturing Jessica for this entry would end her peacfull time once more.

It was a huge and unnessesary risk to reveal her to the world, another Character* could have survived to carry on Alex legacy if Tim did not right there. Anyone who might get infected in the future has now a reason to retaliate against Jessica as one of two remaining known hosts of sickness.

Why blanked the ending in mystery instead of turning the cam towards himself, telling us:
- the details of his amazing cure** to the Operator since "there might be thousands of others" who would benefit a lot from such knowledge.
- anything else he has figured out for anyone who might encounter the operator in the future
- an honest goodbye to all those who view the channel... why else upload a video at all if all his friends are dead? Maybe only text because he is so ashamed for killing Jessica?

Not passing on information before "running away" from the Operator who migth keep on spreading his influence is Tim beeing a huge jerk...unless he was desparate enough to find his closure in Alex solution and he prides himself in succeeding where he didn't trust Alex, by killing himself.


*Alex beeing lousy at killing people and there were hints TTA is made up of more persons
**I belive/hope there is more to Tim's Operator resistance than Medicine, though it plays a huge role against the "physical" coughing part for sure.

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Lithp
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 		You have a point there, if Tim really knows how to block out The Operator, it would make sense to have a sort of "How-To" video on the Marble Hornets channel.

It may sound ridiculous, but Tim the Character arbitrarily withholding information "because it would ruin the atmosphere" is just as ridiculous.

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paladin181
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 		Pretty sure he killed her as he was "attacked." He slipped into Masky mode (seemingly) and the camera cuts to him driving away. As to why kill her if he was helping her, he likely hasn't spent a lot of time around her. He also likely has never dropped into his fugue state around her. While throwing away the mask was symbolic that he thought this was over, the coughing fit is likewise symbolic that "it's never over."

That's my impression though.

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 		Why the fuck would he kill Jessica? If the whole point is to stop it from spreading, then short of killing himself there's no point, since it will still spread.

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Moloch
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 		It all depends on how easy it spreads...does it need Tim or just anyone infected, an emotional bond, a woodland setting, a cursed camera or is it enough to sit next to someone during your lunchbreak everyday at work to bring the Operator into that persons life?
They didn't seem to be far into the filming of marble hornets before the operator first apears.

If they can't stop it from passing on they would never want to raise children, probably never have a meaningfull relatuionship or even friends they could trust...

Maybe killing another person and then yourself to protect everyone else in this noble sacrifice is not the worst option...

Another thought: their doc is probably already infected by contact to both of them...

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paladin181
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Marble Hornets wrote:
Why the fuck would he kill Jessica? If the whole point is to stop it from spreading, then short of killing himself there's no point, since it will still spread.
I don't think he needed a reason to kill her. The coughing fit could have been because of her or just because. In this, he may have slipped into his notably violent Masky state and done her in, which would indicate he had no reason other than he couldn't stop himself. He was done with the mask. That doesn't mean that everything is done with him. The symbols are all over the place, some pointing at moving on with others pointing at this lasting forever. Besides, we don't know that he didn't throw himself off a cliff after the end credits, and have no reason to believe he didn't. The "Everything is Fine" statement is much like a suicidal person would say to ease loved ones asking what's wrong right before they try to off themselves.

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paladin181 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Why the fuck would he kill Jessica? If the whole point is to stop it from spreading, then short of killing himself there's no point, since it will still spread.
I don't think he needed a reason to kill her. The coughing fit could have been because of her or just because. In this, he may have slipped into his notably violent Masky state and done her in, which would indicate he had no reason other than he couldn't stop himself. He was done with the mask. That doesn't mean that everything is done with him. The symbols are all over the place, some pointing at moving on with others pointing at this lasting forever. Besides, we don't know that he didn't throw himself off a cliff after the end credits, and have no reason to believe he didn't. The "Everything is Fine" statement is much like a suicidal person would say to ease loved ones asking what's wrong right before they try to off themselves.


For the sake of arguement how long had it been since "Masky" had actually appeared? I know some arguement can be made that Tim was in Masky mode in entry 64, but I would say that Tim hasn't been Maksy in quite a while.

I'm not even sure if the pills really could repluse the operator. I think it just kept him from being Masky and allowed him to "stay Tim" in the face of the operator.

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Lithp wrote:
You have a point there, if Tim really knows how to block out The Operator, it would make sense to have a sort of "How-To" video on the Marble Hornets channel.

It may sound ridiculous, but Tim the Character arbitrarily withholding information "because it would ruin the atmosphere" is just as ridiculous.


Entries #72, #73, and #74 are kind of "how to" videos. The first shows Tim having apparent success in fighting The Operator off. Entry #73 shows that the pills have some sort of effect on TO or at least on the effects on brain and body chemistry that prolonged exposure to TO have (Hoody wouldn't be breaking into Tim's place for no aceteminophen). Entry #74 shows Tim positing a connection between the pills and lessened TO effects, as Jay became finally coherent. As far as fully "blocking out" The Operator, Entries #65 and #86 show Tim consuming far more than the recommended dosage, possibly suggesting desperation but also suggesting that he has built up a tolerance and needs far more med for a previous effect. That and a sort of complacently cocky wishful thinking.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Lithp wrote:
You have a point there, if Tim really knows how to block out The Operator, it would make sense to have a sort of "How-To" video on the Marble Hornets channel.

It may sound ridiculous, but Tim the Character arbitrarily withholding information "because it would ruin the atmosphere" is just as ridiculous.


Entries #72, #73, and #74 are kind of "how to" videos. The first shows Tim having apparent success in fighting The Operator off. Entry #73 shows that the pills have some sort of effect on TO or at least on the effects on brain and body chemistry that prolonged exposure to TO have (Hoody wouldn't be breaking into Tim's place for no aceteminophen). Entry #74 shows Tim positing a connection between the pills and lessened TO effects, as Jay became finally coherent. As far as fully "blocking out" The Operator, Entries #65 and #86 show Tim consuming far more than the recommended dosage, possibly suggesting desperation but also suggesting that he has built up a tolerance and needs far more med for a previous effect. That and a sort of complacently cocky wishful thinking.


But he knows that Alex watches the series, right? So why tell Alex that he can show him something that he already knows?

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Lithp wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
Lithp wrote:
You have a point there, if Tim really knows how to block out The Operator, it would make sense to have a sort of "How-To" video on the Marble Hornets channel.

It may sound ridiculous, but Tim the Character arbitrarily withholding information "because it would ruin the atmosphere" is just as ridiculous.


Entries #72, #73, and #74 are kind of "how to" videos. The first shows Tim having apparent success in fighting The Operator off. Entry #73 shows that the pills have some sort of effect on TO or at least on the effects on brain and body chemistry that prolonged exposure to TO have (Hoody wouldn't be breaking into Tim's place for no aceteminophen). Entry #74 shows Tim positing a connection between the pills and lessened TO effects, as Jay became finally coherent. As far as fully "blocking out" The Operator, Entries #65 and #86 show Tim consuming far more than the recommended dosage, possibly suggesting desperation but also suggesting that he has built up a tolerance and needs far more med for a previous effect. That and a sort of complacently cocky wishful thinking.


But he knows that Alex watches the series, right? So why tell Alex that he can show him something that he already knows?


In Entry #87 Tim's desperate, trying to find the best way to stop Alex and to preserve himself. There's also at least some bargaining in the face of apparent death. The futile appeal to reason. The only kind of logic that Alex really cares about at that point is the logic of "There's this outbreak and I must stop it."

Tim's also been holding himself up--since Entry #72 at least--as an example of someone who has successfully put TO's influence under control. But Entries #86 and #87 show that that isn't really the case.

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Lithp
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 		I'd say I can mostly agree with that. I use the qualifier "mostly" because there's so much unrevealed that every proposed theory still feels tentative & lackluster. S'why I don't like ambiguous endings.

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