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Did Marble Hornets go on for way too long?
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Lithp
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I didn't actually mind Jay's death. I thought they made it a point that Tim felt guilty over it without making it melodramatic. Also, it made the point that he'd become numb to what was going on, though admittedly that only makes sense if he remembers more than he's letting on.

It was Brian's death that I thought was a real waste. We don't find anything out about his motive, we don't really see Tim's reaction, we don't know when he actually found out that it was Brian....

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kurazaybo2
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Seems like Jay felt like he had some sort of obligation to find answers and Tim clearly didn't feel that way


Yes indeed. Probably the reason to kill Jay was that it was the only way to stop him in more than one sense. His search clearly could not have ended with him suddenly losing interest or getting a life. And since providing answers was not an alternative, he needed to be stopped somehow. I just never thought he would be replaced by a different narrator.

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It seemed like Tim was set on containing the operator by not giving answers, finishing off Alex, and leaving never to be heard from again


Finishing off Alex? Tim did not seem to want to harm Alex, he even tries to convince him that there is another way and that trying to stop things is meaningless because there are so many others affected and it's spreading.

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none of the deaths in the series really played out as a big deal if you think about it.


That's the sad truth, I think. However I sustain that many dissapearances considered deaths are not actually deaths, Jessica being the most glaring example. Even Brian's body does not show signs of decay, implying something else.

I do think the series took longer both in its own narrative and OOG to reach its ambiguous conclusion, considering we really do not discover much about anything in the final installments in Rosswood, the abandoned hospital or school. I could not wait for the guys to try their luck in a different proyect. MH did however use one recurring theme in all this eldritch/lovecraftian horror mythos that I have not seen widely recognized: it had the protagonist lost within the horrors, albeit somehow indirectly with Alex shooting Jay. Yet the last time we see him he is improbably alive and in a different place/plane of existence.

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Lithp wrote:
I didn't actually mind Jay's death. I thought they made it a point that Tim felt guilty over it without making it melodramatic. Also, it made the point that he'd become numb to what was going on, though admittedly that only makes sense if he remembers more than he's letting on.

It was Brian's death that I thought was a real waste. We don't find anything out about his motive, we don't really see Tim's reaction, we don't know when he actually found out that it was Brian....


Yeah, by that point Tim was just non-responsive. I know it can be explained away as that he was numb, but it was his best friend you know.

Plus by that point he was partially responsible for Jay and Brian's deaths. A little melodrama would have been nice.

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LiamTapsOut
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The thing with Jay's death is that it was suppose to be realistic.

These are suppose to be real documentations of events. You can't expect Tim to be triumphantly talking about how great Jay was and how he was going to make Alex pay for what he did to his dear friend.

In the end, with everything that had happened, and was going to happen, Tim didn't really even have time to mourn Jay, never mind his best friend Brian.

As for whether it dragged on, at some points it did, and I think it could have done a better job at least delivering us some more answers, but again, it's real life, and you don't always get answers.

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LiamTapsOut wrote:
The thing with Jay's death is that it was suppose to be realistic.

These are suppose to be real documentations of events. You can't expect Tim to be triumphantly talking about how great Jay was and how he was going to make Alex pay for what he did to his dear friend.

In the end, with everything that had happened, and was going to happen, Tim didn't really even have time to mourn Jay, never mind his best friend Brian.

As for whether it dragged on, at some points it did, and I think it could have done a better job at least delivering us some more answers, but again, it's real life, and you don't always get answers.


Jay's death being realistic is all well and good. I don't really mind that he was put on the chopping block and it was shocking at the time.

It just felt like the series ended with no answers and it devalues things for me. I've beat the Hoody/Totheark thing into the ground so I won't revisit it.

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MistrPibb
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Regardless of the time between entries, the actual viewing time of the series for the amount of plot development is incredibly high. Instead of focusing on a single interesting conflict, they went in many directions and never could bring the series full circle.

The ambiguity of Alex's morality was way more interesting than watching people running around looking for tapes and pills... I loved Season 2 despite it being Trosephim's least favorite because many entries provided surprising revelations. Also, the dynamic of trust and memory loss was maybe the best conflict in Marble Hornets and it was disappointing to see it almost completely overlooked.

From being one of the pre-season 2 viewers, I feel my time hasn't necessarily been wasted, but in hindsight there were probably better ways to spend my time.

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MistrPibb wrote:
Regardless of the time between entries, the actual viewing time of the series for the amount of plot development is incredibly high. Instead of focusing on a single interesting conflict, they went in many directions and never could bring the series full circle.

The ambiguity of Alex's morality was way more interesting than watching people running around looking for tapes and pills... I loved Season 2 despite it being Trosephim's least favorite because many entries provided surprising revelations. Also, the dynamic of trust and memory loss was maybe the best conflict in Marble Hornets and it was disappointing to see it almost completely overlooked.

From being one of the pre-season 2 viewers, I feel my time hasn't necessarily been wasted, but in hindsight there were probably better ways to spend my time.


Looking back on it Season 2 was the best not because it had the best entries, but because it had a hell of a payoff. Everything was a perfect loop.

I do agree that they just couldn't get the job done. Not really complaining, its just how I feel.

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MistrPibb wrote:


From being one of the pre-season 2 viewers, I feel my time hasn't necessarily been wasted, but in hindsight there were probably better ways to spend my time.




As someone who's been following MH for a long time as well, (the first entry I saw was 13, if memory serves) I too feel that my time hasn't been wasted. I enjoyed it for what it was, and as someone who can still scare quite easily, found it incredibly unnerving. And that is a good thing in my book.

Yes, i understand they did the best they could as far as getting entries out when they could, but I tend to find Season 3 to be very hard to wrap my head around. It seemed as if they decided to go 8 different ways at once, and it did feel as if the series never did quite come full circle. I was fine with the ending, but that's not to say it couldn't have been better than it was.
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Did Marble Hornets go on for way too long?


No.

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Lithp
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Insightful. Actually, now that I think about it, the creators basically agreed with the too long/too much filler criticism, didn't they?

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Geneaux486
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Something like that, in the reddit, that some things took longer than they needed to. Wood-walking and the like. As for whether or not the series went on for too long, the answer is still no. It was a fun ride, and they could have kept going for all I cared. But then I wasn't super eager to see it end, myself. Seems like I was in the minority around here with that opinion. But the short answer is no, it didn't go on for too long.

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Lithp
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I wouldn't have minded seeing it go on if there was, you know, more to it. 5 years to find out that most of the stuff from Season 1 was either dropped or no more complicated than it seemed when it was originally introduced is already pretty bad.

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Lithp wrote:
5 years to find out that most of the stuff from Season 1 was either dropped or no more complicated than it seemed when it was originally introduced is already pretty bad.


Still not seeing where that happened.

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Lithp
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You read the Q&A. "Skully" was apparently originally going to be Jay, which was of course tied in with Jay disappearing from his bed, that scene of him tranced out with The Operator walking right past him, & also explains why that & Totheark teleporting into his room stopped happening after Season 1--they dropped all of those ideas.

And if you try to tell me "Totheark is crazy" is not something that could have been quickly deduced before the end of Season 1, I'm going to be right cross with you.

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Geneaux486
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Lithp wrote:
You read the Q&A. "Skully" was apparently originally going to be Jay, which was of course tied in with Jay disappearing from his bed, that scene of him tranced out with The Operator walking right past him, & also explains why that & Totheark teleporting into his room stopped happening after Season 1--they dropped all of those ideas.


They dropped skully but Jay's fugue state still served as foreshadowing of the other symptoms he would show in season three, and it also introduced us to the idea that those in fugue states, like Tim, could manipulate others, like Jay, just like Brian would eventually do to Tim.

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