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[VIDEO] Entry #87
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gennerx
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Shaoken wrote:

So just listening to their podcast and they say that while the series is over, the Marble Hornets channel isn't and said people shouldn't unsubscribe yet. In fact they repeated that several times. How mysterious.

That would explain why they haven't done much to get the word out that the series is over with. They want to use the channel to push something else.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:49 pm

Xman
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I really wonder what they're going to put on the MH channel. It just seems weird that anything else would be uploaded to it after Tim ended it all.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:00 pm

Viden
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Marble Hornets wrote:

Joseph confirmed on twitter today the series is done

The film program at University of Alabama needs to have their staff re-evaluated. Everything about the last few entries felt rushed, and I don't think these guys have what it takes to make it in this industry, not for a long time at least. Call me bitter all you want, they had all the setup and dropped the ball hard just for some cool shots. The ending itself was abysmal for something that was in the works for 5 years. Full of plot holes as well.

Personally I won't be recommending this series to anyone anymore, and while I appreciate the hard work they put into the series, they really fell flat in the end. They should have spent more time writing scripts instead of goofing off and making dumb videos like nature break. They had a big opportunity in life with Marble Hornets, and I don't think they will end up getting recognized for it after how awful the series got towards the end.

In retrospect, a lot of the entires were throwaway and there was some really bad storytelling, although season 2 as a whole is still great. I hope they learned from the critical feedback they've been getting from their dedicated fans, and not just accepting dicksucky twitter posts as valuable feedback.

I can't get over how stupid the ending is though. You want me to believe Alex didn't just cap Jessica in entry 68? Completely unrealistic given his motives, but fine. You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine. You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that. If the pills are able to prevent the operator from ever showing up, why the hell didn't Tim just send everyone to the doctor? The operator wouldn't be able to latch onto any of them at that point. All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve. Absolutely awful story telling. Hopefully the other slender series end on a better note.

And I'll say it again. These guys have potential in the horror genre, but they have to push themselves much harder. I don't really think their comedic stuff will get big. They absolutely have to take more time with writing scripts though, even if they spent 30 hours a week on it, it clearly wasn't enough. I don't want it to sound like a personal attack, because I do think some of the entries were amazing things to watch.

^ 100 times this <3

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:34 pm

Viden
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Shaoken wrote:

Right after this he said "But that comes after all the DVD stuff is taken care of." Meaning it probably won't be tied into the story at all unfortunately.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:37 pm

Teedub
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Viden wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

^ 100 times this <3

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:40 pm

Viden
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Osttle wrote:

Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies

After they said that I actually get why the ending was so bad. It's the same as the How I Met Your Mother ending.

A series grows, progresses, and changes throughout it's production. No matter what you are making. When you decide on an ending too far back in production, that ending only fits at the time. Like if this was the ending mid Season 2 it would be a great ending. There were no big questions or mystery at the time. Nothing really built up. It would of been soon after Jessica disappeared so it would of been relevant. It fits that time frame.

BUT so many things changed and grew between seasons 2/3 that it doesn't make sense anymore. It doesn't fit and it sure as hell answers nothing because there were no questions at the time. The reason why so many of these past entries were handled poorly (hoodies reveal, Jessica suddenly alive, poor explanations in Alex and Tim's conversation) is because they had to reverse everything they had done to go back to the ending they created so long ago. Instead of moving forward, they moved back. Making most of season 2/3 mean absolutely nothing in the end.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who creates a series. Do NOT write an ending early, because things change, and that means your ending should as well.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:02 pm

SilentMedusa
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Thank you, Viden. This is what I was trying to say, but you phrased it much more clearly.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:11 pm

Lithp
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Teedub wrote:

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Honestly, the only people that would be hurt by them shutting up are Trosephim. I agree, the fact that they had to do a kickstarter just to fund the Season 3 DVDs pretty much proves that they can't ride Marble Hornets forever. Now, they have the movie "The Operator," & they managed to make enough on Kickstarter to make another series or 2, but unless 1 of those projects makes them millionaires, again, not going to last forever. I've said before, I'm glad that they could get THAC INC. up & running. They already have work in the industry that they want to be in, & it sounds like they have a lot of freedom in what they do. That's truly enviable. But it's also a big starting investment & there's no guarantee that it will pay off.

Now, sitting on the same ending for years without changing it much is controversial. You've already seen the arguments against that, but on the other hand, you could say that it shows that they know their plot & they're committed to getting it out there.* I'd argue the fact that they hardly answered shit kind of calls that into question, but either way, I really don't expect what worked for Marble Hornets to work again. Who is going to be the audience for their next series? Mostly Marble Hornets fans, probably. And judging from this forum, a good quarter of people hated the ending. I'd estimate that they're probably going to lose MORE than a quarter if their next series looks like it's going to do the same thing, because a lot of people are on the fence about the ending.

So, no, I do not think for a second that they can keep doing what they're doing. If you think that Marble Hornets, the user, is being a dick, I'm sure that people in the future will be very polite when they refuse work with those 3 because they didn't have enough successful projects under their belts.

Now, maybe they already know that, or maybe I'm just wrong & people will eat up Marble Hornets copies forever. I'm not laboring under the delusion that they're idiots who don't know what they're doing & I'm infinitely smart. In fact, my sketchy knowledge of how film making works is probably already starting to show. But if they were reading this message right now, sure I'd worry about how I come across, but I'd be even more worried about not letting them know that I think this is a valid concern.

And I do intend to support them by buying the DVD box set.

*=In fairness, I've seen most writers say that they came up with their ending very near the beginning. I think this might be less likely with film, but don't quote me on that.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:59 am

SignerJ
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Marble Hornets wrote:

The film program at University of Alabama needs to have their staff re-evaluated.

No, they don't.
First of all, you can't say that the performance of only three students reflects poorly on the quality of the film program at UA.
Second of all, just because you don't like an ending does not mean that the film instructors at UA are suddenly horrible teachers, or that the ending itself is a bad one.

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They should have spent more time writing scripts instead of goofing off and making dumb videos like nature break.

I personally enjoyed Nature Break. And so did many other people.

That having been said,
1) You don't know how long they spent writing scripts. How can you complain about something that you don't even know about?
2) It's called "creativity." You get an idea and want to roll with it, because, you know, it's *fun*. Something tells me that you don't have much experience with this. I personally am glad they didn't let Marble Hornets become the kind of project that prevents them from exploring other ideas.

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In retrospect, a lot of the entires were throwaway and there was some really bad storytelling

It's easy to say things in retrospect.
Additionally, you have proven in the past to have different definitions of "throwaway" than a lot of us have.

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You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine.

No, that is what Alex believes. It is up to you to choose if you think Alex was correct.

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You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that.

Again, as has been said multiple times, everything is not fine. That is the entire point of that line.

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All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve. Absolutely awful story telling. Hopefully the other slender series end on a better note.

This is where it comes down to personal taste. I like stories that end like that, since that is how the world works. Not everything has to be a happy ending. And not every question has to be answered.

If you are looking for stories like that, then you are looking in the wrong place. You should be watching a happy go-lucky television show, not media in the Slender Man Mythos. In the 'verse, happy endings are few and far between. Questions don't always get answered.

-Look at Just Another Fool, where both of the protagonists died, and quickly, too, and we still don't know what went wrong.
-Look at the Angel's Game, where four friends were slaughtered by extra-dimensional beings just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were collateral damage, nothing more.
-Look at the blogs, where characters die left and right, without closure. When you start reading a blog, the assumption is that the main character will eventually die.

And now Marble Hornets has joined their company, with every character in the story, save Jessica, dead. If anything, a happy ending would have been worse, as it wouldn't have fit with the themes of the series and the 'verse.

Viden wrote:

Let this be a lesson to anyone who creates a series. Do NOT write an ending early, because things change, and that means your ending should as well.

I'm sorry, but...what?? Do you know what you are talking about? The biggest problem that the 'verse has faced in the last few years is creators who don't plan ahead, who have to retcon things or twist circles in their plot because they have to suddenly figure out where they are going next. You are supposed to have an ending in mind when you start a series, when you start writing a story or a plot. That is a basic part of being a writer.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:34 pm

Viden
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SignerJ wrote:

Yes I realise that you're supposed to create a storyboard and have a general idea of how you want your story to end, but as they said in the postcast they thought of a specific ending years back which is where I think they went wrong, and I already explained my point on why I think that is such. You can disagree if you'd like but that's how I feel about it.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:03 pm

Marble Hornets
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SignerJ wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

The film program at University of Alabama needs to have their staff re-evaluated.

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They should have spent more time writing scripts instead of goofing off and making dumb videos like nature break.

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In retrospect, a lot of the entires were throwaway and there was some really bad storytelling

It's easy to say things in retrospect.
Additionally, you have proven in the past to have different definitions of "throwaway" than a lot of us have.

Quote:

You want me to believe the sickness will stop spreading if people are killed, fine.

No, that is what Alex believes. It is up to you to choose if you think Alex was correct.

Quote:

You want me to believe "everything is fine?" No, I can't accept that.

Again, as has been said multiple times, everything is not fine. That is the entire point of that line.

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All we ended up with was every single main character dead and no resolve. Absolutely awful story telling. Hopefully the other slender series end on a better note.

Viden wrote:

Let this be a lesson to anyone who creates a series. Do NOT write an ending early, because things change, and that means your ending should as well.

lmao at this post

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:55 pm

TheOperator
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Viden wrote:

Osttle wrote:

Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies

I agree with so much of this. Right down to the HIMYM comparison. Sticking with an ending thought up years ago because it fit at the time, even though since then new aspects have been brought into the story and fall flat because of the ending, ruining the series as a whole.

To be more precise, it's fine to come up with an ending, even write it but don't be afraid to change it. Drastically, if need be. Stories evolve hugely during the creation process, if you just ignore that evolution once it comes time to the ending, all that evolution feels meaningless. If the ending that's been thought up all along still fits all the way through the creation process, then that's great but it didn't here. It left too many things unresolved, it made Tim come across as an unlikable asshole for hiding that from Jay after they tried so hard to make him sympathetic this season, it was sheer luck Jay never came across her in town since apparently she was just living there all that time... I could go on.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:38 pm

SilentMedusa
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TheOperator wrote:

Viden wrote:

Osttle wrote:

Rushed my ass. According to BNWYDSE, the ending was written in advanced two years ago. Y'all are just being babies

Yes. All of this. This is what I meant.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:48 pm

Viden
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Marble Hornets wrote:

lmao at this post

Some people just try too hard.

TheOperator wrote:

Fair enough! Several good points.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:52 pm

lonsumtravlr
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I just gotta say

disliking the finale is fine, hating the finale is fine, feeling let down (as even some of us who liked the finale and defend the trio did a bit by Entry #87) is fine, feeling betrayed is fine. But I cannot understand why anyone would go so far as to say that because the ending of Marble Hornets may have been subpar, that this invalidates not only the entire series but also the trio's talent. I'll concede that there were some spots that could have been better written and that Season Three had some downs, but, Jesus, they've created some damn solid viewing experiences, have grown as actors, have refined skills as editors and cinematographers. They're not even thirty yet. On what basis do you write them off? That your own narrow theory wasn't borne out and that you hated the underwhelming ending of an unrelated sitcom? This takes the histrionic retardation school of film and TV criticism to astounding (if precedented) lows.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:56 pm

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