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The Slender Man
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 		The fact that this thread is so large is a testament to the way entry 87 fell flat.

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JustJim
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 		Did we ever get a sound explanation for noentry? That one still fucking baffles me.

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Blackout_2014
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JustJim wrote:
Did we ever get a sound explanation for noentry? That one still fucking baffles me.


I thought it was Jay finding Bruce's blood and crime scene for the first time. Then being mindwiped to forget about it.

Not correct?

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Xman
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JustJim wrote:
Did we ever get a sound explanation for noentry? That one still fucking baffles me.

This still confuses me too.

Blackout_2014 wrote:
I thought it was Jay finding Bruce's blood and crime scene for the first time. Then being mindwiped to forget about it.

Not correct?

There's a few problems, though. The video is chestcam footage, you can tell by seeing a right hand holding a handheld camera. Jay didn't have a chestcam during this time period nor did he ever wear one, so we have to assume that it's Alex.

Also, there's a bloody t-shirt. Why exactly did Bruce's t-shirt get left behind like that? In Entry #49, Bruce's entire body gets teleported away by the Operator with his clothes still on. And not to mention, we see his body in the "ark" with the same outfit on in Entry #65.

OOG, it seems like it was just a bit of an oversight from the creators. I guess it was supposed to foreshadow Entry #49? I just don't understand why the cameraman in noentry looks like he's finding the blood for the first time. Maybe it was Alex coming back to the tunnel in a normal state of mind after he realized what he had done?

I don't know. If anyone can lay some insight into this, feel free.

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SilentMedusa
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 		I just thought of something, and I don't know where else to post it, so I'll put it here.

In the past, people who believed Jessica was still alive (I mean after #76, but before #87) sighted the TTA video (can't remember the name) where he states "she's out there" as proof. That ties in to why TTA always called Tim a liar; first because he hid the tape of Jessica (#76), and now, because Jessica was alive the whole time but Tim didn't own up to that until the very end. But here's the thing I just thought of: in the TTA video File, there's a clip of Jessica from #76 overlaid with the words "another failure". If he (TTA) knew she was alive, why call Tim out for failing? I could see if it was part of the ruse to keep her safe by writing her off as dead, but then why remind Jay that "she's out there"? That's like participating in a conspiracy on Monday, and warning everyone about the same conspiracy on Tuesday.

It would be easy to just say "well, he was crazy", but no. I'm tired of that. I've had all the ambiguity I can handle. I"m tired of having to make up answers that I'll never be able to prove or disprove. Someone said the point of the finale was that we're supposed to decide for ourselves what happened and what it meant. Probably true, but I'm starting to feel like if that's the case, why did I spend a year waiting for the end? I could've stopped watching at any point and imagined a satisfying end.

Okay, I'm rambling now, so I'll just reiterate my point about TTA talking out both sides of his mouth on the Jessica issue, and ask: why?

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FossilizedSauce
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Xman wrote:
JustJim wrote:
Did we ever get a sound explanation for noentry? That one still fucking baffles me.

This still confuses me too.

Blackout_2014 wrote:
I thought it was Jay finding Bruce's blood and crime scene for the first time. Then being mindwiped to forget about it.

Not correct?

There's a few problems, though. The video is chestcam footage, you can tell by seeing a right hand holding a handheld camera. Jay didn't have a chestcam during this time period nor did he ever wear one, so we have to assume that it's Alex.

Also, there's a bloody t-shirt. Why exactly did Bruce's t-shirt get left behind like that? In Entry #49, Bruce's entire body gets teleported away by the Operator with his clothes still on. And not to mention, we see his body in the "ark" with the same outfit on in Entry #65.

OOG, it seems like it was just a bit of an oversight from the creators. I guess it was supposed to foreshadow Entry #49? I just don't understand why the cameraman in noentry looks like he's finding the blood for the first time. Maybe it was Alex coming back to the tunnel in a normal state of mind after he realized what he had done?

I don't know. If anyone can lay some insight into this, feel free.


When at any point was someone holding a camera as well as wearing the chest cam in that tunnel?

I have been wishing for the whole series that #29 would somehow be explained.

Since it looks like we won't be getting answers, it's either oversight as suggested, OR it could be a missing puzzle piece that can help clear up some stuff.

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Blackout_2014
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Xman wrote:
JustJim wrote:
Did we ever get a sound explanation for noentry? That one still fucking baffles me.

This still confuses me too.

Blackout_2014 wrote:
I thought it was Jay finding Bruce's blood and crime scene for the first time. Then being mindwiped to forget about it.

Not correct?

There's a few problems, though. The video is chestcam footage, you can tell by seeing a right hand holding a handheld camera. Jay didn't have a chestcam during this time period nor did he ever wear one, so we have to assume that it's Alex.

Also, there's a bloody t-shirt. Why exactly did Bruce's t-shirt get left behind like that? In Entry #49, Bruce's entire body gets teleported away by the Operator with his clothes still on. And not to mention, we see his body in the "ark" with the same outfit on in Entry #65.

OOG, it seems like it was just a bit of an oversight from the creators. I guess it was supposed to foreshadow Entry #49? I just don't understand why the cameraman in noentry looks like he's finding the blood for the first time. Maybe it was Alex coming back to the tunnel in a normal state of mind after he realized what he had done?

I don't know. If anyone can lay some insight into this, feel free.


This is one of those moments where its hard to say. Having Alex come back to the scene of the crime makes sense. It would make sense why the initial footage has someone running back through the woods.

But this is one of those moments were you don't know what the operators purpose was. Did he erase Alex's memory and then Alex saw the footage and ran back? It looked like Alex killed Bruce and then the operator helped him by taking the body away.

It just begs the question. Did Alex and The Operator have some sort of pact?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:35 pm
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Blackout_2014
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SilentMedusa wrote:
I just thought of something, and I don't know where else to post it, so I'll put it here.

In the past, people who believed Jessica was still alive (I mean after #76, but before #87) sighted the TTA video (can't remember the name) where he states "she's out there" as proof. That ties in to why TTA always called Tim a liar; first because he hid the tape of Jessica (#76), and now, because Jessica was alive the whole time but Tim didn't own up to that until the very end. But here's the thing I just thought of: in the TTA video File, there's a clip of Jessica from #76 overlaid with the words "another failure". If he (TTA) knew she was alive, why call Tim out for failing? I could see if it was part of the ruse to keep her safe by writing her off as dead, but then why remind Jay that "she's out there"? That's like participating in a conspiracy on Monday, and warning everyone about the same conspiracy on Tuesday.

It would be easy to just say "well, he was crazy", but no. I'm tired of that. I've had all the ambiguity I can handle. I"m tired of having to make up answers that I'll never be able to prove or disprove. Someone said the point of the finale was that we're supposed to decide for ourselves what happened and what it meant. Probably true, but I'm starting to feel like if that's the case, why did I spend a year waiting for the end? I could've stopped watching at any point and imagined a satisfying end.

Okay, I'm rambling now, so I'll just reiterate my point about TTA talking out both sides of his mouth on the Jessica issue, and ask: why?


Sadly, there is nothing concrete.

The only thing I can figure is that TTA/Hoody/Brian and Masky/Tim had a fundamental disagreement about the Jessica situation. Tim wanted to hide her away and TTA wanted her to be found.

Tim's motivations are understandable, but since TTA was so badly handled we will never know what the plan, if there was a plan, was.

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lonsumtravlr
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Blackout_2014 wrote:
Tim's motivations are understandable, but since TTA was so badly handled we will never know what the plan, if there was a plan, was.


Why do you say that TTA was very "badly handled"? If you accept that TTA was Hoody, who was Brian, and that Brian was for some reason intended by Alex to be killed and then taken to TO's dark world but it didn't take and that Brian lost the plot, the TTA aspect doesn't seem so poorly done. Brian went nuts and became bent on justice, which he equated with vengeance, at any (or almost any) cost. This is what Tim meant by calling Brian "an empty shell."

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chelonian
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Blackout_2014 wrote:
Tim's motivations are understandable, but since TTA was so badly handled we will never know what the plan, if there was a plan, was.


Why do you say that TTA was very "badly handled"? If you accept that TTA was Hoody, who was Brian, and that Brian was for some reason intended by Alex to be killed and then taken to TO's dark world but it didn't take and that Brian lost the plot, the TTA aspect doesn't seem so poorly done. Brian went nuts and became bent on justice, which he equated with vengeance, at any (or almost any) cost. This is what Tim meant by calling Brian "an empty shell."


The problem is, there is repeated implication there is multiple people behind the Totheark videos.

After all, if Hoody was dead...who posted Null?

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SilentMedusa
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 		He didn't die until after Null was posted.

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 		I'm confused, was Null posted after Entry 83?

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chelonian
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Lithp wrote:
I'm confused, was Null posted after Entry 83?


He clearly would have busy during Entry 82.

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 		I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

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Blackout_2014
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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Blackout_2014 wrote:
Tim's motivations are understandable, but since TTA was so badly handled we will never know what the plan, if there was a plan, was.


Why do you say that TTA was very "badly handled"? If you accept that TTA was Hoody, who was Brian, and that Brian was for some reason intended by Alex to be killed and then taken to TO's dark world but it didn't take and that Brian lost the plot, the TTA aspect doesn't seem so poorly done. Brian went nuts and became bent on justice, which he equated with vengeance, at any (or almost any) cost. This is what Tim meant by calling Brian "an empty shell."


It's really all a matter of opinion. If that explanation is good enough for you, then that's cool.

I think they built TTA/Hoody/Ark up to epic proportions and then dismissed it with a "crazy is crazy" hand wave.

It's just not good enough for me.

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