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Lithp
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I'll agree that it's not the best statement he could have made.


It's not even really the statement that bothers me. Sure, a lot of it's lame reasoning, but it's pretty inoffensive besides that. Oh, no, there are plenty of other things to be pissed about. Like how they apparently didn't think through these things, but didn't cop to it until after the series was already over. Likely because they thought they'd lose people if they admitted that they weren't going to deliver on any of this shit--& "no shit" was just heard from every corner of the known universe--but hoped their characters & situations were just interesting enough for us to overlook that.

Let's just say that I was less than impressed.

Or how about how now everyone is going to be saying how I should have realized that it "wasn't about the answers" as if that's fucking clever or even makes sense. So now I not only have to try to be supportive & give a series a chance, I also can't expect too much from it, or else I should have seen this shit coming? Great, so we have now perfected the art of making anyone who isn't 100% eating this shit up look like a fucking idiot. And I've already committed to spending money on this. So I'm going to be as mad as I goddamn please.

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When did they ever say it was about the answers?


I'm almost positive that they've said something like "most questions will be answered" or "the major questions will be answered," but I don't even care, because this whole line of reasoning is a bunch of bullshit--durr hurr, Trosephim didn't say that plot holes are bad, that means they're good--& so are the statements that Marble Hornets was some kind of special snowflake. That WAS a cliche horror ending. It is EXACTLY like cliche horror series to not explain shit. And the reason people are "used to the typical TV style of storytelling," aside from that involving the actual telling of a story--no, seriously, delivering basic exposition is literally the bare goddamn minimum--is probably because Marble Hornets is basically a TV show, but on the internet. It's not that unique & beyond comprehension.

And if you still want to forget all of that & be all "it was your dumb ass who thought they would actually address the fucking plot," like I said, "Fool me once, shame on me, but there isn't going to be a 2nd time." Their 2nd project isn't getting 2nd, 3rd, & 4th chances out of me. If it looks like it's not going to answer shit, I'm going to assume that's because it isn't--& they don't have the answers in the 1st place--& drop it like a small child. Because that is apparently the expectation.

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That said, I'm standing by my belief that there's far more revealed visually in Marble Hornets and that a couple of view-throughs of the series should help to reveal some.


I really, really doubt it. Everything suggests otherwise. Totheark codes translating into gibberish or tacky one-liners, allegedly important videos not being revisited, & now Joseph says that was never the point anyway!

Reading between the lines, if it looks like it doesn't make sense, it's because it actually doesn't. And that is fucking artistic as balls. Or something.

That's why I think this subforum has become less fun. I've basically stopped giving a shit because I know there's nothing but gibberish in these videos.

And even if people DID start uncovering previously unknown plot connections, I really doubt that I would care. The amount of effort that it has taken people to try to pry some modicum of information out of this series is absolutely ridiculous.

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SilentMedusa
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Thank you, Lithp. The more time I have to think about it, the more upset I feel. Your post here has perfectly articulated what I felt, but couldn't figure out how to put into words.

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onetruepurple
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baaaaaawwww

Read some Lovecraft you pleb.

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Lithp
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Thank you, Lithp. The more time I have to think about it, the more upset I feel. Your post here has perfectly articulated what I felt, but couldn't figure out how to put into words.


I aim to please. Ranting is basically my strongest skill, anyway.

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Read some Lovecraft you pleb.


I've read "Call of Cthulhu." It was cool, but a bit overrated. But you know what it did do? Answered shit. In fact, it pretty much went above & beyond the call of duty by confirming that the squid monster actually existed, which it didn't really have to do.

Also, "baaaawww" is literally the internet equivalent of calling someone a crybaby, & just like its IRL counterpart, it proves you have exactly nothing worth saying.

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ButtPirate
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onetruepurple wrote:
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baaaaaawwww

Read some Lovecraft you pleb.


what? the ending had nothing to do with lovecraft's style. lovecraft usually builds up the atmosphere throughout his novels for a climactic (although usually expected) ending. this ending was anti-climactic as fuck.

i mostly agree with lithp although i will give them another chance, this series would've been amazing if it weren't for the ending, so i'm confident they'll learn from their mistakes and make a better one this time.

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onetruepurple
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Lithp wrote:
I've read "Call of Cthulhu." It was cool, but a bit overrated. But you know what it did do? Answered shit. In fact, it pretty much went above & beyond the call of duty by confirming that the squid monster actually existed, which it didn't really have to do.

Also, "baaaawww" is literally the internet equivalent of calling someone a crybaby, & just like its IRL counterpart, it proves you have exactly nothing worth saying.

Yeah, between your college essay rants and 1892 posts, I'm going to call bullshit and say you haven't opened a book in years.

Shit I've been coming here essentially daily for months before I even registered and I have about a third of your total post count. Have you considered getting a life?

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Lithp
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Yeah, I type a lot. It's called putting actual effort into a post instead of relying on cheap grade school taunts. You are the worst kind of E-Warrior, the kind who half-asses everything. You'll insult someone over post count when you're the only person paying attention to it to begin with. You'll talk about how people who argue on the internet have no life when you're the 1 picking a fight. You don't like me? Fine. Insult me all you want, just mix some actual substance in there.

Also, I read "Call of Cthulhu" online, Grandpa. Close out some of those porn tabs & you might find it.

Edit: Whoops, 1893.

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Sidenote
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part 3 is up



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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
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Thank you, Lithp. The more time I have to think about it, the more upset I feel. Your post here has perfectly articulated what I felt, but couldn't figure out how to put into words.


I aim to please. Ranting is basically my strongest skill, anyway.

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Read some Lovecraft you pleb.


I've read "Call of Cthulhu." It was cool, but a bit overrated. But you know what it did do? Answered shit. In fact, it pretty much went above & beyond the call of duty by confirming that the squid monster actually existed, which it didn't really have to do.

Also, "baaaawww" is literally the internet equivalent of calling someone a crybaby, & just like its IRL counterpart, it proves you have exactly nothing worth saying.


A better Lovecraft story is "The Colour out of Space". That's the one where he nails everything and it all hangs together perfectly. It's a masterpiece.

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paladin181
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Lithp wrote:

And even if people DID start uncovering previously unknown plot connections, I really doubt that I would care. The amount of effort that it has taken people to try to pry some modicum of information out of this series is absolutely ridiculous.
Uncovering? Probably more like forcing since that's what this forum is best at. Forcing connections that were never meant to exist and then glowing and gushing about how enigmatic and cool the creators were to add such a reference to the other entry. When there was no connection at all... It's been a fun ride, and the end leaves me feeling like I've been duped. This is almost as bad as being for the bonarz

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Lithp
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lonsumtravlr: I hit up "Call of Cthulhu" mostly because pop culture's obsession with Cthulhu is just slightly below that of zombies, & I wanted to see what all of the fuss was about. "Color out of Space" sounds cool, so if I remember, I'll check it out.

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lonsumtravlr
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Lithp wrote:
lonsumtravlr: I hit up "Call of Cthulhu" mostly because pop culture's obsession with Cthulhu is just slightly below that of zombies, & I wanted to see what all of the fuss was about. "Color out of Space" sounds cool, so if I remember, I'll check it out.


It's a great story in which you see how an eldritch horror (in this case something that comes from space and that's never really seen but just referred to as "The Colour") causes the complete (and literal) deterioration of a person and his family. It's got a lot of the elements I think Troy et al. were shooting for (but only some of which they hit). It was inspired by Arthur Maachen's "The Romance of the White Powder" (I think is the title), but it far surpasses its inspiration.

"Call of Cthulhu" is a good story but overrated. It's the kind of thing that can't help but be overrated, though, I think. It's a damn good start to a mythos, but that's about it.

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paulisdead18
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Yeah Lithp, you pretty much expressed what I thought was wrong with the ending perfectly. They laid out a bunch of mystery around the plot, had totheark full of decodable messages for US to solve, pushing the plot forward, and then in the end just saying none of our puzzle solving mattered and any "answers" we got weren't really the point anyways. It was kind of a big slap to the face for anyone involved in trying to delve deeper into the story thinking there was more to it, when the really wasn't and nobody found out until the ending.

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Lithp
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Oddly enough, I was never really that involved in that, considering that I have basically none of the skills required for that.

Then again, that was kind of a lose-lose move. On the 1 hand, if the puzzle-solving doesn't mean anything, that's kind of a letdown for anyone trying to solve them. On the other hand, if the puzzles contain crucial plot information, then that kind of sucks for anyone who doesn't know the skills or software for that.

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Yeah, if we're bandying the Lovecraft talk about, interested folks should also check out The Dunwich Horror and Through the Gates of the Silver Key. Tighter plot, very interesting horror elements and a good sense of pacing throughout. Call of Cthulhu, while not a bad story by any means, is nowhere near as life-affirming as the titular character's status these days would make you think.

If anything, I think the one Lovecraft story that may kind of match MH pacing-wise is At the Mountains of Madness...100 pages of describing this ancient alien culture, 5 pages of "oh crap, a shoggoth," and that's...about it.

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