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The Slender Man
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 		I actually legitimately thought the Windmill Diaries were decently made. Better than a lot of the trash in the SM Mythos forum.
Well, aside from the gamejacking aspect.

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leadmetodeath
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 		Thank you for whoever make this forum! Now I can put all my dumb theories into here without have to be completely embarassed! XD

MH universe is a repeated world where if everyone die the world will repeated
Seth has a twin
Jay has a twin
Everyone have a twin
Brian is the first source of TO
Brian is afraid of Tim
Sarah killed by Brian

This is all I could remember for now.

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Malckeor
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Lithp wrote:
That's not a "silly theory accepted by a minority," it's "clear exposition that most people can recognize."


Dear, sweet Lithp... Do you remember...the way to the Great Valley?

The Insane Man's Exposition ("What makes you think I'm the only source?!") was cancelled out by the Actually Sane Exposition ("You weren't containing it; you were just feeding it!"). The Operator isn't spread via "disease", for that makes no sense as he wouldn't have ever existed in the first place. The whole "disease" nonsense was conjured up by Alex's degenerating mind to justify all the killing he'd done while proxyfied. This is clearly shown when Alex loses his temper after Tim mentions Amy ("When you killed Amy, do you feel like you were in control then?").

And there aren't any holes in the series that don't involve aborted arcs such as Skully and several other things from early on in the first season. Aborted arcs are fine as they were pretty much throwing shit onto a blank canvas to see what stuck in the early years. The "disease" farce being true would introduce several apparent holes that would shatter the consistency that the series has maintained. It's a good thing the Sane Man's Exposition came forward to keep everything in order!

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Lithp
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 		Are you taking the piss right now, or are you legitimately unaware that you completely ignored what I actually wrote, let alone the huge amount of plot holes in the Unanswered Questions thread?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:31 pm
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Cyan507
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leadmetodeath wrote:
Thank you for whoever make this forum! Now I can put all my dumb theories into here without have to be completely embarassed! XD

MH universe is a repeated world where if everyone die the world will repeated
Seth has a twin
Jay has a twin
Everyone have a twin
Brian is the first source of TO
Brian is afraid of Tim
Sarah killed by Brian

This is all I could remember for now.


yir welcome, was gonna make it ages ago but never around to.

people laugh at the future Jay theory now, and it when it was first out forward. But there was once a time when it was once deemed as mildly credible.

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Geneaux486
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The Slender Man wrote:
Well, aside from the gamejacking aspect.


And the stock footage of windmills. And the terrible grammar. And the fact that it was somebody setting themselves up to say they could take slender man.

Unrelated note, I don't recall there being many actual plotholes in Marble Hornets in the end. Some unanswered questions, sure, but those aren't the same as plotholes. I'm always skeptical of that type of criticism anyway, I still occasionally see people go "Dude Lost didn't answer anything, why the heck were there polar bears on the island?!"

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TheJoker
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 		Yeah, I don't think people always realize there's a difference between "unanswered question" and "plothole".

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Phenom
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 		Someone already beat me to the prank theory, that one got so funny that the creators mentioned it in a interview.


Pretty much anytime a new gamejack came up someone thought it was actually a new side story.

I kinda of expected that MH wouldn't have all the answers. It's basically like a Lovecraft story, in the end the protagonist ends up insane/dead (In this case, mentally scarred) and the viewer/reader has to put all the hints together to get some of the answers (Which this forum has done).

Also, I totally thought EMH was a Marble Hornets side-story at first (kinda of why I started watching it), what can I say, I had just finished 7th grade at the time.

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Lithp
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 		Let's refer back to mah list.

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Why does The Operator not jump to everyone that Tim knows, or even everyone that he knows well?


Clear contradictions in the "Operator is a disease" theory, & without that, there's no explanation of what the piss is going on. Plot hole.

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What is "The Ark"?


Brian's motivation. Nonexistent. Plot hole.

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Why did Alex only burn some of the tapes?


Glaring contradiction in Alex's motive. Even lampshaded by Jay. Plot hole.

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How did all of the people that Alex failed to kill survive?


I'm counting this simply because there is no reason not to address it. It would be simple to come up with an explanation for why only some of his victims survived.

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Why did Alex call Tim & Jay & tell them to leave?


Same as the tapes.

I expect that someone will say that this doesn't affect the present day narrative, but the backstory is part of the plot, too.

In short, I did not mean to suggest that literally every unanswered question that someone could think of is a plot hole, but that ones that have important pieces of information or create contradictions are. I assumed that I would not need to explain this.

Also, this post is not necessarily comprehensive.

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TheJoker
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 		I was making a general comment on a misconception, not addressing you specifically (I had totally forgotten who's post was in question) nor was I suggesting there are NO plot holes. While I'm not sure about some of your points, some definitely qualify.

For future clarity, via Wikipedia:

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A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.


So Alex not burning all the tapes, for instance, definitely qualifies as a plot hole due to the complete lack of logic or justification. Brian's motivations I'm not so sure- while the lack of explanation of Hoody is by far the biggest writing problem in the series, I don't think plot hole is the right terminology for that particular problem, at least not the way I typically use it.

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Lithp
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I was making a general comment on a misconception, not addressing you specifically


Maybe nobody was. I have been a bit careless in reading replies lately.

I thought about Wikipedia, but its article is pretty lackluster. The definition seems to imply that only direct impossibilities count, but is vague enough to apply to other things, & the short list doesn't really help. At any rate, a missing piece of information seems to me to be a literal hole in the plot, & I wouldn't know what else to call it anyway. "Unanswered question" isn't specific enough.

I would certainly agree that "plot hole," like other terms, gets bandied about too readily.

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TheJoker
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 		Well, there's also TV Trope's definition:

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Plot holes can come in many forms:
-Characters suddenly having knowledge that was never passed to them, or vice versa; characters not knowing something they knew last week, or something that anyone in their position must know.
-An event does not logically follow from what has gone before.
-Characters ignoring or avoiding obvious solutions to their problems.
-An event occurring that other events in the work simply do not allow.


Yes, I realize why it's tempting to call an unanswered question a plot hole, and I'm not sure what the better term would be either. But I'm not sure it's quite correct.

There are nonetheless plot holes in MH, though I would say a lot of them are comparatively minor. I would have preferred something addressing the lack of any police contact or contact with anyone outside the minimal cast, though, since there are ways I can think of that that could have been hand waved without actually having to alter the plot.

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Geneaux486
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Lithp wrote:
Clear contradictions in the "Operator is a disease" theory, & without that, there's no explanation of what the piss is going on. Plot hole.


Which means the Operator isn't a disease in the traditional sense. The Operator didn't start being a problem for anyone (even Tim was able to deal with his problems in his adult life with medication and therapy) until one person, Alex, caught the thing on camera and became aware of its existence. It's noteworthy that nobody who encounters the Operator seems to remember it except for those who already know it exists, meaning those who've seen it on film.

That's why Jay didn't remember any of the encounters in the summer of 06, even though he was there for a couple of them. That's why Tim, despite living with this for all his life, didn't remember that specific entity being there.

The Operator "spreads" through the burden of knowledge. The closest thing to a plot hole in all of this is Jessica suffering lingering effects even though she didn't remember the thing, though even that could be explained by her being close enough to someone who was being followed by it to feel some lasting effects from it. Most of this is speculation on my part, but it's all possible within the established lore.

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Brian's motivation. Nonexistent. Plot hole.


He's crazy, we've seen every character that's suffered from the Operator experience irrational behavior. Brian chasing after something that didn't really exist isn't a plot hole.

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Glaring contradiction in Alex's motive. Even lampshaded by Jay. Plot hole.


Again, the Operator making people behave irrationally is well-established in the show. Not a plot hole.

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I'm counting this simply because there is no reason not to address it. It would be simple to come up with an explanation for why only some of his victims survived.


They survived because he didn't kill them. We don't actually know when Alex started trying to kill people. The only person we saw him lay a hand on before the events of season 2 was Tim, who simply survived the blow to the head, as we saw.

In short, these things would only be plot holes if we fully understood the nature of the Operator and its effects, and these things then directly contradicted a set of rules in the canon.

The fact is that this thing is erratic and unknown. It hasn't affected two people in exactly the same way, but one constant is irrational behavior. Brian searching for something that doesn't seem to be there, Alex contradicting his stated purpose (denial that he's under the thing's influence), Jay going from apologetic to angry, etc.

The Joker wrote:
So Alex not burning all the tapes, for instance, definitely qualifies as a plot hole due to the complete lack of logic or justification.


Except it was established in the second-to-last entry that Alex was being manipulated by the Operator, which explains why he would not only preserve evidence of its existence, but give it to someone else so the whole thing could start over again. Granted, this is assuming all of Tim's theories are accurate, but we're given no reason to assume that they aren't, so it still doesn't qualify as a plot hole.

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 		I'm referring to the fact that he *did* burn some but not all, and there's some inconsistency as to how he chose which ones to burn.

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Geneaux486
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 		Yeah, but none of his stated goals were real. He was crazy from the Operator and trying to pretend like he wasn't.

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