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[OOG] General Troy Has A Camera discussion
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TheOperator
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Lithp wrote:
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Wasn't sure which thread this really belongs in, but I ventured into the Something Awful thread on MH to see what people are saying over there and found that Joseph is apparently being quite talkative there right now. And there's one tidbit in particular that I think would interest everyone who played Slender: The Arrival:

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Not to say it would have saved the game if they had handled it differently, but they used like 10% of what we gave them and goofed on a bunch of it they did use. They put an arbitrary hard deadline on when to push it out the door and it shows.


So yeah. Apparently STA butchered Trosephim's intended plot for the game or something. Discuss.


I'm not sure what he's even talking about. Save what? "The Arrival" was enormously successful & I thought the story was frankly handled better than Marble Hornets.

So I don't know if that means that it could have been EVEN BETTER or if it means that Parsec knows when to cut ideas.

Though, definitely, a flaw in the game is its length, & the fact that it keeps re-releasing the same damn thing with slightly more story. Though maybe some of the stuff that was cut could have been setup for legitimate sequels, because at this point, I don't know where he plans to go with it.

Overall, though, I think the gameplay is more of a problem than the story.

Also, do you have a link to the thread? I'm kind of interested in seeing what Joseph is saying, especially because he seems to be the most generally responsive to feedback.


Troy also commented on working on The Arrival being a "nightmare", other than Parsec. But what's with all these vague comments? What exactly from the story was changed that made it so "bad"? I'd be interested to know. It is definitely subjective to say the game's in need of "saving." And with how badly MH ended, I've concluded STA is actually a better story than MH. What did they want to happen, an old photo showing Charlie in the same hoodie as the chaser, then a final over-the-top teleporting fist fight, followed by being told "everything is fine?"

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Oh, but if you want a real response to the feedback: http://josephdelage.tumblr.com/post/90640930564/are-you-expecting-fans-to-surround-in-anger-because-of

Has anyone posted this already? He actually discusses his thoughts on the ending in detail here, so that's cool.


lol, the response to the ending has been "pretty positive for the most part?" With who, Tumblr? Twitter? The poll on here that reveals a large majority thought it was "operational" and that more people thought it was "forgettable" than "unbelievable" really says it all. "Positive" seems to be what the least people think about it, at least on here.

Also I agree with pretty much everything Lithp said. I had fears the ending would be less than stellar so I held off on buying the old DVDs or kickstarting a DVD for a season that wasn't even finished yet (am I the only one bothered by that?), for those who did put money towards the series only to be ultimately disappointed, I feel for you.

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Troy also commented on working on The Arrival being a "nightmare", other than Parsec. But what's with all these vague comments? What exactly from the story was changed that made it so "bad"? I'd be interested to know.


Yeah, that's definitely curious. It's the 1st I'm hearing about it. Who else was involved besides Parsec?

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It is definitely subjective to say the game's in need of "saving." And with how badly MH ended, I've concluded STA is actually a better story than MH. What did they want to happen, an old photo showing Charlie in the same hoodie as the chaser, then a final over-the-top teleporting fist fight, followed by being told "everything is fine?"


I admit, I smirked. A big part of it is size. Both stories are similar, including being rather shallow*, but the difference is that Marble Hornets is about 9 times longer than Slender. And this is part of the reason why I said that the gameplay is the bigger problem. The weird difficulty spikes in Slender can turn an approximately 1 1/2 hour game into 20+ hours, in which case, yeah, the story would definitely be underwhelming.

*=That said, Slender: The Arrival tells you a LOT more about what goes on in the background, so maybe that's the "learning experience" that they were talking about.

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lol, the response to the ending has been "pretty positive for the most part?" With who, Tumblr? Twitter? The poll on here that reveals a large majority thought it was "operational" and that more people thought it was "forgettable" than "unbelievable" really says it all. "Positive" seems to be what the least people think about it, at least on here.


I'm guessing it's a combination of people aren't going to come right up to them & say it sucked & also a lack of formal polling. When I said all of that, I was pretty much temporarily suspending my "pretend the creators are reading your comment" rule. I needed to take a minute to properly raeg.

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I had fears the ending would be less than stellar so I held off on buying the old DVDs or kickstarting a DVD for a season that wasn't even finished yet (am I the only one bothered by that?), for those who did put money towards the series only to be ultimately disappointed, I feel for you.


I didn't participate in the Kickstarter or anything, but I already said that I'm going to buy the DVDs, can't back out of that now.

It helps a little bit that I'm basically buying the DVDs for the "Scenes from Alex Kralie's Marble Hornets."

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Lithp wrote:
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Troy also commented on working on The Arrival being a "nightmare", other than Parsec. But what's with all these vague comments? What exactly from the story was changed that made it so "bad"? I'd be interested to know.


Yeah, that's definitely curious. It's the 1st I'm hearing about it. Who else was involved besides Parsec?


Blue Isle Studios, a very small indie game development company consisting of like a few people.

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Smoking_Gnu wrote:
If anything, I think the one Lovecraft story that may kind of match MH pacing-wise is At the Mountains of Madness...100 pages of describing this ancient alien culture, 5 pages of "oh crap, a shoggoth," and that's...about it.


i disagree, the buildup was brilliantly done, the shoggoth reveal was expected but creepy, while the MH ending just ended and not much more.

IMO you can't really do wrong with lovecraft except for quest for unknown kadath, that sucked so bad.

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ButtPirate wrote:
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If anything, I think the one Lovecraft story that may kind of match MH pacing-wise is At the Mountains of Madness...100 pages of describing this ancient alien culture, 5 pages of "oh crap, a shoggoth," and that's...about it.


i disagree, the buildup was brilliantly done, the shoggoth reveal was expected but creepy, while the MH ending just ended and not much more.

IMO you can't really do wrong with lovecraft except for quest for unknown kadath, that sucked so bad.


Funny you mention Kadath, I was about to also recommend that as one of my favorites. I totally get why people might not like it; it's basically one long series of describing fantasy locations with very little action or exposition, but these outlandish scenes just flow from one to another so suddenly and the looming sense of melancholy...Reminds me of a fever dream or intense drug trip.

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If you're talking about Lovecraft's style of climactic endings, that did happen. Entry 86 was the scene where Cthulhu actually appeared. Entry 87 was the protagonist noting that he's probably going to be killed by the cult.

It's a shame that the movie Prometheus exists. I think del Torro was going to try and make a movie out of Mountains of Madness, but Prometheus had the same story without the amazing writing.

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TheOperator wrote:

lol, the response to the ending has been "pretty positive for the most part?" With who, Tumblr? Twitter? The poll on here that reveals a large majority thought it was "operational" and that more people thought it was "forgettable" than "unbelievable" really says it all. "Positive" seems to be what the least people think about it, at least on here.


But here is just one sect of the community, and one that's probably always been more critical of the series than others. Right now, Entry #87 has 2974 likes and 54 dislikes, so the response on YT definitely doesn't indicate that the ending was unpopular.

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YT likes aren't always the best way to gauge reaction, but it's true that Unforum is far less representative of the general audience than it likes to think. One need only wander into any other forum's MH thread to see questions we'd consider mind-numbingly stupid like "Wait who's Jessica" being asked. (In other words, we pay far more attention to this than the rest of the viewing base, and it's plausible that we also react differently.)

From what I've seen:

-Something Awful seems to have a mixed reaction. There are quite a few positive reactions but also some very negative ones.

-Reddit (which I'm pretty sure is probably one of the bigger MH communities aside from Unforum) is relatively positive. Not exclusively positive, but I think more positive than here.

Entirely possible that Tumblr and Twitter have also shown more positive reactions. And keep in mind that the poll was kinda amibiguously worded- "Operational" isn't necessarily *not* positive.

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I stand by my puns.

Anyway, I don't recommend counting that category as positive or negative. It basically denotes a mixed response.

Per YouTube, I think I can count on 1 hand the amount of times that I've seen a like ratio that wasn't overwhelmingly positive. You have to have a pretty dedicated grudge just to go find videos to dislike, let alone get people doing it in numbers to offset the fans.

I, for one, do not believe that I have ever clicked "like" or "dislike" on YouTube.

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Oh your puns were funny. The problem is that they also left a little too much room for interpretations- I agree that Operational should be neutral, but it's possible that some people who viewed the ending positively picked it because they felt Unbelievable was *too* positive. Also, while this does undermine my earlier point a little, I feel like some people would similarly pick Operational over Forgettable simply because the connotations of "forgettable" are too negative. And besides, even for those of you who hated the ending, I imagine that only further ensures you'll not forget it- it was memorable, whether in a good way or a bad.

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Thank you.

Actually, it was sort of my intention that everyone who didn't either hate or love it choose that option. I wanted to basically force people to pick a side. I do see what you're saying, & maybe it would have been better to do the classic "Love-Like-Neutral-Dislike-Hate," but I think if I had done that, there would still be questions about the format, just different ones.

There was 1 person who specifically noted that they didn't consider the ending literally forgettable, but they voted that because I said that basically means "hated it." I think that checking the OP is probably what most people would have done when faced with poll options that didn't really make sense. Either that or assuming that it went from top/good to bottom/bad.

Ironically, I voted "Operational," but I have a feeling that I literally will probably forget the ending. Entry 87 doesn't seem that memorable to me.

Rambling aside, yeah, I definitely want to second that it's not perfect. Ideally, I should really find polls on other websites, & compare them all.

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Yeah, I got what you were trying to do, but I'm not sure it worked since you didn't explicitly spell out that the options were "like-neutral-dislike" and not everyone probably read the whole first post.

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I'm not sure if we mean "neutral" in the same sense. When I read "neutral," I tend to regard it as either having no opinion or liking/disliking in equal measure. I was going for more "mixed," but I think I actually used the term "passable," which is a slight positive skew. If memory serves, my rationale was that you can consider an ending amazing or simply good enough, but if you don't consider it good enough, wouldn't that be synonymous with dislike by definition?

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New podcast is out.

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I could easily see my memory of the ending of MH becoming foggy over time after not watching it for a while. It wasn't memorably bad like say the ending of The Room, in many ways it was just... really underwhelming and bland. Oh, a third of this entry is just going to be slow shots of Tim walking around and smoking. Obviously this entry will have zero answers as always. Oh Jessica's back. Somehow. And her fate is ambiguous again, cool. Really the only memorable thing about the entry is just suddenly springing Jessica on the viewer with no explanation as if that's a good twist.

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